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Sup!

VOTE: geraintm

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'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

Why? Are they deepwolf type player?

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha

Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

If I remember right, vampire isn’t a normal role?

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'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

Why? Are they deepwolf type player?

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha
Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

If I remember right, vampire isn’t a normal role?

that pink is an awful colour to read.

i've only played with them as town, and so far they have been a competent player (i was scared of them when mafia) but their posting style tends to dominate the game if left unchecked, they post long posts that are usually well formed and if they are scum and they are not checked by night action they will be very hard to vote off late in the game. i cannot think of a time they were ever noticeably under pressure of being voted out, so if there is someone around who can check their alignment it would be one of the first places to go - certainly what i would be doing

Depends on the game and my mood entering the game. I was very much in the background for much of 2278. I didn't have it for that game and I knew I didn't have it.

It does nag at me a little that this is his first contribution. I've been shot by night 2 in my last three minis, and scum you would definitely prioritize shooting me. Scanning me in general can be a good thing since I don't particularly have "tells", but making a point of it this early doesn't really vibe right with me.

Hmm.... will hold onto this for future reference.

Spoiler: For geraintm

Is this color better for you? What theme you're currently using btw?

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I have three (3) townreads. There is a pencil in my hand. I'm going to write their names on a little yellow post-it and stick it on my wall right there. Tomorrow morning I will post them, and we can all compare! Join me if you'd like

Waiting for the town reads reveal.

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Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

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Still not sure what the word scan means in this context

Investigate in the night phase

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It's very early for me to form any read yet...

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What are these townreads worth at this point? How likely are they to change? Why announce them now?

I have seen some players who can read correctly in the very early stage of the game. If you asked generally then I can say, it’s a game advancing way for some.

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How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

I also don’t like

Prokens

's posts. For a player who joined 2008, they're asking some obvious type of questions. I see it as

playing dumb card as scum

.

Recently

NJAC

,

Kitty

and I completed a newbie game (Newbie-2100) where scum!

Kitty

was playing dumb townie and

NJAC

caught him for that.

VOTE: Prokens

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Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

This gets a vote
VOTE: galron

I don't particularly like that post either. It feels like it's intending to be solvey by putting a sort of grand, almost conspiratorial idea out there but it's also not saying much at the same time. I feel like I have a tendency to scumread Galron a lot early game though - maybe a style thing, but will keep an eye on their play.

Nah, it was a good post. If scum was me and Crescent and A N Other I think we would walk this game.

But you brown nosing my vote....VOTE: malcolm tucker

Don't understand your vote here, I like

Malcolm

's pov though...

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I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

How well do you know about

Porkens

's meta?

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How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

I also don’t like

Porkens

's* posts. For a player who joined 2008, they're asking some obvious type of questions. I see it as

playing dumb card as scum

.

Recently

NJAC

,

Kitty

and I completed a newbie game (Newbie-2100) where scum!

Kitty

was playing dumb townie and

NJAC

caught him for that.

VOTE: Porkens*

EBWOP

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I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

Would it not, in fact, be more protown to

scumhunt

?

Did you skip others post regarding this?? Answers were there...

What's your read atm?

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Exactly what I was getting at Cres.
NJAC asks about stuff that is basically NAI rather it be play or some sort of “newbie” or “mechanical” talk.
And that’s what I was trying to say “it doesn’t bring us anywhere” cause it’s NAI the stuff they ask.

Hmm... WKing or scum-theater....
I think

Porkens

&

ProfessorDrapion

aren’t SvS.

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Recently NJAC, Kitty and I completed a newbie game (Newbie-2100) where scum!Kitty was playing dumb townie and NJAC caught him for that.

I feel so forgotten! lol

True that though. I'd like to hear Kitty's take on Porkens.

Lol! You'll always be in the heart buddy

I wanted to give an example to

ProfessorDrapion

that playing style isn’t always NAI, experienced players can easily manipulate their play styles.

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Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

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How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

I also don’t like

Prokens

's posts. For a player who joined 2008, they're asking some obvious type of questions. I see it as

playing dumb card as scum

.

Recently

NJAC

,

Kitty

and I completed a newbie game (Newbie-2100) where scum!

Kitty

was playing dumb townie and

NJAC

caught him for that.

VOTE: Prokens

i dont follow what the quoted post has to do with the rest of it?

Not in a direct manner... While I was reading, I was having this thought process towards

Professor

's stance on

NJAC

and wrote under this post.

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Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

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don't understand their Crescent townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from Crescent but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Salsa if you mean that and don't understand ask away I am making my morning coffee let us join hands.
I'll look at Drapion again because I didn't have have it in me to decipher whether he made a booboo or a calculated play when he backed off NJAC.
Can you give context for your Wayward meta townread? I don't like his recent posts.

What do you mean by "

Salsa if you mean that

"??

I played with

Wayward

in this game:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89804

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What?? I read your reasoning in 74 which I don’t understand because I still count 8 as a NAI post.

Crescent

could be scum and still make 8 like town!them could. What makes you think that post comes from town!them is beyond my understanding.
Then without clearing it, you're trying to portrait something negative about me ( ) which I'm counting a bad faith.

In my "

lovely color-coded list

" I stated my

Wayward

slight townlean

based on

meta + vibe[/b] for which you asked context so I shared the meta I've on them & I can't explain vibe/gut read. If there was anything beside that, I would mentioned in my read-list.... for now this is all I have.

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^ this if for 165

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Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

You realize the dudes discussion is going nowhere right?
There was better things they could have said/asked Porkens.

I think your just jealous I used your color in that one post

Nah! I think you're just scum

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Early TR on Shiidaji too. Liking their approach.

Not sure about that.... Can you elaborate more though?

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Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

Sounds like someone’s setting up back to back Ml’s.

Or you can't READ.

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I'm not sure I get what geraintm is doing -- I think the vote on me was a reaction test not for me but for others? Regardless there seems to be a process there and even if I don't understand it I can respect it. So that's worth an early town read.

I also see some kind of process with njac, although less substantive I guess. But I think it's slightly townie.

I played 2 games with them before and couldn’t read them in both of the games.... either they're in my null list or POE or I sheeped others read (who I think is/are town) on them.

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What?? I read your reasoning in 74 which I don’t understand because I still count 8 as a NAI post.

Crescent

could be scum and still make 8 like town!them could. What makes you think that post comes from town!them is beyond my understanding.
Then without clearing it, you're trying to portrait something negative about me ( ) which I'm counting a bad faith.

In my "

lovely color-coded list

" I stated my

Wayward

slight townlean

based on

meta + vibe[/b] for which you asked context so I shared the meta I've on them & I can't explain vibe/gut read. If there was anything beside that, I would mentioned in my read-list.... for now this is all I have.

Let's get one thing straight


I fucking love color-coded lists

Sigh! (and thank you)... Still not gonna explain?

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Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

Sounds like someone’s setting up back to back Ml’s.

Or you can't READ.

I can read.
When I flip town you plan to vote Porkens next which could very well be another ML.

No gEnEiOuS..... If they continue to play like dumb townie without any actual solving, then yes... they're likely a scum.

And if you're so sure that I'm scum, where is your vote?

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If Salsa is a wolf I think based on thread, they have to be a wolf with one of NJAC/Malcolm.

Really? Scum!me is making

obvious association

with my partners instead of creating distance.... What a good player I am!

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You don’t have to be a wolf to push back to back ML.
But you

Can

be a wolf with that agenda in mind.

Where. Is. Your. Vote. Genius?

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What?? I read your reasoning in 74 which I don’t understand because I still count 8 as a NAI post. Crescent could be scum and still make 8 like town!them could. What makes you think that post comes from town!them is beyond my understanding.

I don't know Crescent, when you join a game all you have to go off of is posting style and join date. From my perspective, 8 was town for the reasons outlined in 74. This is no longer the case now that Crescent and I are the bestest of friends and have traded house keys. I hope this clears it up!

Then we have to agree to disagree here ig.

+ vibe[/b] for which you asked context so I shared the meta I've on them & I can't explain vibe/gut read.

Okay, so it's gut based off of meta. I wanted to know if there was anything specific, like a repeated behavior of his to look out for that you can describe. If it's just gut then I will wade into the past game myself.

Yes, it’s mostly gut based (and somewhat tonal) for now but if you can mention which posts you didn’t like maybe I can explain more.

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If Salsa is a wolf I think based on thread, they have to be a wolf with one of NJAC/Malcolm.

Really? Scum!me is making

obvious association

with my partners instead of creating distance.... What a good player I am!

And you say I don’t read.
I said one of them.

In a 3 mafia game usually you buddy up and at least slightly protect one partner and distance from the other.

Typing mistake
Neither

NJAC

nor

Malcolm

is in the verge of elimination that scum!me would make that obvious by protecting them.

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You don’t have to be a wolf to push back to back ML.
But you

Can

be a wolf with that agenda in mind.

Where. Is. Your. Vote. Genius?

On the dude I’ve been pushing.

Your pushing on

NJAC

isn't going anywhere and you're pushing me now by shading

Malcolm

.

Now that I remember, you didn’t give any reasoning for your

Malcolm

scumread.

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Oh I thought this was a 13 player game but this was an 11 player game.

Guess that also means Salsa might be town cause 3 mafia in an 11 player game is?
And they said “partners” indicating more then 1.
I mean it depends if we are all PR or not I guess but I think in an 11 player game 2 mafia and a traitor makes more sense then 3 group wolves.

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I'm not sure I get what geraintm is doing -- I think the vote on me was a reaction test not for me but for others? Regardless there seems to be a process there and even if I don't understand it I can respect it. So that's worth an early town read.

I also see some kind of process with njac, although less substantive I guess. But I think it's slightly townie.

I played 2 games with them before and couldn’t read them in both of the games.... either they're in my null list or POE or I sheeped others read (who I think is/are town) on them.

is this about me?
no one ever thinks i'm scum

Yup, most of the players can't read you properly...

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Btw, what do you think about

Professor

,

@geraintm

?

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Yeah I'm not real sure what trap geraintm was trying to set but he seems to have had something in mind.

anyone who decided to pipe up after my vote on you and said they found you sus, well, i just have that down as weird sucking up and i dont like it. not one bit

So, you don’t have any suspicion about

Galron

, the vote on them was a trap?

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In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

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@Mod

, v/la for 2/3 days... will be travelling. If I can have good internet, will post in between.

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Spoiler: :mad:

Bad raining ➤ Worse Internet ➤ Worst Traveling

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

I like Professor Galron better but no.

Salsa automatically assuming for there to be only 2 wolves is concerning.

And your

assumption

don’t?

Oh I thought this was a 13 player game but this was an 11 player game.

Guess that also means Salsa might be town cause 3 mafia in an 11 player game is?
And they said “partners” indicating more then 1.
I mean it depends if we are all PR or not I guess but I think in an 11 player game 2 mafia and a traitor makes more sense then 3 group wolves.

@Salsa

+ vibe[/b] for which you asked context so I shared the meta I've on them & I can't explain vibe/gut read.

Okay, so it's gut based off of meta. I wanted to know if there was anything specific, like a repeated behavior of his to look out for that you can describe. If it's just gut then I will wade into the past game myself.

Yes, it’s mostly gut based (and somewhat tonal) for now but if you can mention which posts you didn’t like maybe I can explain more.

125, 127, 128, 131, and now 231 felt uninvested 2me, like he's asking questions for the sake of it without engagement/follow-up. I skimmed his Newbie2100 iso on the train and his early play and posting style at least seems similar though. So if Wayward does his promised ISOs I think he'll be an easy sort as the game goes on.

Yes, (you explained better) that's why I give them a slight gut based townlean.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

I like Professor Galron better but no.

(I missed this post somehow).... well, if you're not scum, then let's check your ISO ➤ You spent a lot of time to sort

geraintim

but what is your stance on them still isn't clear. Then you mentioned having scumlean read on

Professor

but didn’t vote/commit (your RVS vote on

Wayward

is still on. I don't like 48 & 64 because:

1.

I don’t think scum!

geraintm

will enter the game by attracting attention towards scum-partner!

Crescent

which you think "

a decent distancing tactic

" but I think it’s a very risky one.

2.

Your reason to have suspicion about

Malcolm

for their posting style doesn’t match (and it’s a NAI stuff), they are in 3rd position of posting less. I think you didn’t like their 41 as they found

geraintm

townie for the reason you didn’t.

Then in 253 you stated you're

curious about me suddenly

after I mentioned scum!you in 221.

Tl;dr you're posting without committing anything which I believe is a decent scum tactic.

So, from page 9 to 12 (special mention: 263, 265) [what a waste!] there is no reason to vote

Professor

anymore as scum'll do the job in the night phase.

UNVOTE: Professor

VOTE: Galron

Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

Sounds like someone’s setting up back to back Ml’s.

@ Salsabil I was reading Professor's ISO when I came across this post. Why do you think a red flip on the Professor would clear Porkens?

@Wayward

Exactly what I was getting at Cres.
NJAC asks about stuff that is basically NAI rather it be play or some sort of “newbie” or “mechanical” talk.
And that’s what I was trying to say “it doesn’t bring us anywhere” cause it’s NAI the stuff they ask.

Hmm... WKing or scum-theater....
I think

Porkens

&

ProfessorDrapion

aren’t SvS.

Read-list : 01

Slight Scumleans⇨

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

Spoiler: lol

Compared to yesterday, Malcolm and Salsa are also invited to the cookout atm everyone else must stew in FOMO for now!! xo

Please include the T in my name, it is only the M which can be dropped

I still don't understand your

Malcolm

scumread,

@geraintm

....

@Kitty

, this game is more active than the previous one... where are your thoughts?

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Very busy today, can't do details post but some particular things caught my eyes while skimming the posts:

1.

geraintm

's not understanding

wolf

term is not believable to me. This term was used/is using by a fair amount of players so, I found it a little bit of suspicious that they

literally

can't understand that.
Their

Malcolm

scumread either tunneling if they're town or forced/fake if they're scum.

2.

Iirr,

@Crescent

, you said you usually don’t vote up to 1st 4 days in D1, we have 3+ days left, whom do you think is/are scum(s)?

3.

Imo, we shouldn’t waste anymore time to sort

Professor

, it'll clear wheather they lied or not in D2.

@Professor

, now that

not everyone

are considering you scum, can you mention your reads?

4.

Galron

's "

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

" (in 384) reminds me of scum!

Kitty

in Newbie-2100.

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Cosign the middle portion of Salsa's post 309 regarding Galron and Drapion's claim. Except for point #2 about Malcolm's posting style, fmpov that's not what Galron was saying was scummy.

What are they meant then?

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@Professor

, after reading your &

NJAC

's ISO together, your reason to scumread

NJAC

seems

My read can't be wrong

type of thing to me or you scumread them 1st then forming the read around it.

Spoiler: NJAC vs Professor

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

I entered the thread before you, in case you didn't notice. I'm already voting, btw.

What's wrong with my approach to Porkens?

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I'm trying to understand what kind of player Porkens is and what to expect from them.

Alright.
My bad, just thought you came into the thread, read over stuff and starting going after someone I’m not a great way.
But it wasn’t your first post so it’s not taken the same way.

Please elaborate. Why exactly wasn't it a great way? What exactly changes now that you notice it's not my first post?

Cause if that’s the first thing someone chooses to do as they begin the game it doesn’t seem Townie to me and seems more agenda driven or trying to make fake content or rather content that could just become NAI.

Eh.
So far all I see from NJAC is they seem to talk about someone’s play and whatnot.
“Newbie Scum”
“Not Newbie”

Idk, I’m really not feeling it.
Can be town but I’m not sure on that slot tbh.

Exactly what I was getting at Cres.
NJAC asks about stuff that is basically NAI rather it be play or some sort of “newbie” or “mechanical” talk.
And that’s what I was trying to say “it doesn’t bring us anywhere” cause it’s NAI the stuff they ask.

Okay. You got my attention. Where were you bringing us before I started asking Porkens?

You realize the dudes discussion is going nowhere right?
There was better things they could have said/asked Porkens.

I think your just jealous I used your color in that one post

What better things could have been said/asked to Porkens at that moment?

@Professor: do you plan to answer the questions addressed to you?

121, 256 and 257 were addressed to you.

Why do I need to respond to 257?
I’ll have to take a look back to give you examples to answer your question in 121 but I’m lazy and will probably do it later zzzz
As for 256 “threadstate” and kinda have a vibe read on them that doesn’t mean much but think it can mean they can be a wolf.

I think you can do better than this.

In 257 you said Malcolm could be scum, but you don't explain why, and that's exactly what I want to know because I'm interested in understanding what in the post you quoted looks scummy in your eyes.

121 is important because you said my questions to Porkens don't bring us anywhere, so I want to know what exactly were you doing before to bring us somewhere. So don't be lazy and answer the question.

With regards to 256 (not sure if you mixed up 256 and 257) I want to know what was a better question to Porkens according to you.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

Hmm it might be an excuse to not vote me, good catch.

Good be wolf with a perspective that knows I am town.

Then you stated your

Malcolm

suspicion in 171 (I have a question for you in that matter, before

geraintm

said anything, do you also think their vote in 72 was random?) but didn’t explain the reasoning even after people asked you about it but agree with

geraintm

in 321. Then you made an associative read on me with one of

NJAC

&

Malcolm

. After that you did nothing about it.

Then suddenly you stated your scumread on

Wayward

in 406 with

NJAC

by agreeing with

Porkens

or after asking

NJAC

about

Wayward

in 354 (you asked a similar question to

NJAC

about

Kitty

in 379, why not

NJAC

&

Kitty

are scums according to your logic for scumreading

NJAC

?) without giving any reasoning. In 324 you're aiming for

Wayward

's scum flip will clear

Galron

but what

Galron

did so far that you're giving them pass over

Wayward

? In 335 you said you think

Malcolm

v

Wayward

is TvS, so what changed in between for you to townread

Malcolm

now?
The reason you address in 336 to scumread

Wayward

also applied to

Kitty

, right?
In 339, you again address

Galron

v

Wayward

isn’t SvS while you keep townreading

Porkens

. Do you open their ISO? All they did so far is posting NAI/mechanics stuffs, staying under radar and placed a

gut vote

on

Wayward

. Don’t you think for a player who joined 2008, all of these are very odd?

[Salsabil Faria]

POE: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

Kitty

}

[Salsabil Faria]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

[Salsabil Faria]

Professor, Porkens. OMGUS I guess.

Galron, and maybe Malcolm.

These are my best guesses.

Why

Malcolm

? I find them townie tbh.
What do you think about

Crescent

? No one is considering they're scum or questioning them. I need to ISO them but I don’t remember anything

particularly townie

about them atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

Read-list : 02

Conftown:

Professor

(as no cc yet)

Townleans:

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Shiidaji

,

Wayward

Null:

Crescent

,

geraintm

Scumleans:

Galron

,

Porkens

,

Kitty

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Conftown: Professor (as no cc yet)

He claimed a backup Doctor, I don't see a cc coming. It sounds to me like an easy thing to fake claim.

Yeah, possible.... I usually get cold feet to eliminate someone who claim any role, in D1 specially. On the other hand, scum won't keep a TPR alive, so their claim will be cleared in D2 eventually.

[Salsabil Faria]

POE: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

Kitty

}

I'm town.

[Salsabil Faria]

The tinfoil hat theory for me at the moment is he actually is town backup doctor but the doctor he's backing up is scum. Pretty sure MNs allow for backups to be different alignments than the role they're backing up?

Last time I metaed something like that it was horribly wrong though, so...

Oh yes, I completely forget about the fact that scum also can have doctor (

Professor

goes to my null-list). There was one game where all the 3 scums were doctor, can't remember if it was a normal game but total amount of players were 13, so most probably it was a mini-normal game.

But to answer to your question, I don’t think there is any mix-matched role available in normal games, never see one yet. Either

Professor

is a town-backup doctor or scum-backup doctor.

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Also I just remembered the last time I saw someone voice suspicion of scum Gera day 1 they immediately got shot sooo....

Based on my experience with Gera, the way he has been loosely pushing on Malcolm for most of the day as the only vote on him feels like something that is more likely to come from his scum game. He's also voted the guy twice without even unvoting between those votes, which puts on full display just how long he's truly been at it. Heals hasn't contributed much outside of it.

This goes double if Galron or Wayward is scum, and it goes triple if Malcolm is town on top of that.

Scum Gera's favorite place is be is on a splinter vote that shows no signs of going anywhere, where he can nestle himself away and avoid the trains that actually matter. I called him out on this in 240 when I was zoning in on him, too.

In that case will you consider

geraintm

signaling the scumteam to nk you in 25 as a traitor (if we consider we have a traitor in this 11 players game) or just signaling the scumteam as per wiki, scumteam don't know who is the traitor?

From wiki⇨

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

•is Mafia-aligned
•knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
•identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
•cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
•is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
•gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

[Salsabil Faria]

I still like my solve (NJAC and Wayward)

Do you read my 415?

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Also I just remembered the last time I saw someone voice suspicion of scum Gera day 1 they immediately got shot sooo....

Based on my experience with Gera, the way he has been loosely pushing on Malcolm for most of the day as the only vote on him feels like something that is more likely to come from his scum game. He's also voted the guy twice without even unvoting between those votes, which puts on full display just how long he's truly been at it. Heals hasn't contributed much outside of it.

This goes double if Galron or Wayward is scum, and it goes triple if Malcolm is town on top of that.

Scum Gera's favorite place is be is on a splinter vote that shows no signs of going anywhere, where he can nestle himself away and avoid the trains that actually matter. I called him out on this in 240 when I was zoning in on him, too.

I TR'd Gera very early on and I felt my logic was solid in doing so but I'm increasingly baffled by the nature of their push on me - they seem to be completely sold on the idea of me as scum on the basis of one post where I believed I was agreeing with what they were saying. Gera's issue appears to be that I agreed with them at all but are they really suggesting anyone who agreed with their early game-reads or with what they were saying is scum? Surely not.

I get it as an early gut-vibe type read, but the consistency with which one post by me has been used for the basis of a relentless push for elimination, especially when that push is going nowhere, is a bit odd. And if Gera isn't perhaps too confident about looking elsewhere I can see a world where as scum they'd hone in on a player unlikely to get voted out at the moment to at least look like they're giving committed and dedicated reads.

I'm thinking if scum!

geraintm

make it so obvious at this point.... Like if you flip green, they'll be the obvious target for elimination. There was one game with them where town!them continuously scumread town!me, so I'm not sure if they're scum here yet.

[Salsabil Faria]

Conftown: Professor (as no cc yet)

He claimed a backup Doctor, I don't see a cc coming. It sounds to me like an easy thing to fake claim.

Yeah, possible.... I usually get cold feet to eliminate someone who claim any role, in D1 specially. On the other hand, scum won't keep a TPR alive, so their claim will be cleared in D2 eventually.

Not necessarily D2!! but if it's a fakeclaim it could be disproved in multiple ways down the line so we table it for now

agree with this. early claims by scum just get exposed, they get trapped in their lies or else scum will get rid of them

@geraintm

, do you have any read other than

Malcolm

atm?

[Salsabil Faria]

Also I just remembered the last time I saw someone voice suspicion of scum Gera day 1 they immediately got shot sooo....

Based on my experience with Gera, the way he has been loosely pushing on Malcolm for most of the day as the only vote on him feels like something that is more likely to come from his scum game. He's also voted the guy twice without even unvoting between those votes, which puts on full display just how long he's truly been at it. Heals hasn't contributed much outside of it.

This goes double if Galron or Wayward is scum, and it goes triple if Malcolm is town on top of that.

Scum Gera's favorite place is be is on a splinter vote that shows no signs of going anywhere, where he can nestle himself away and avoid the trains that actually matter. I called him out on this in 240 when I was zoning in on him, too.

In that case will you consider

geraintm

signaling the scumteam to nk you in 25 as a traitor (if we consider we have a traitor in this 11 players game) or just signaling the scumteam as per wiki, scumteam don't know who is the traitor?

From wiki⇨

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

•is Mafia-aligned
•knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
•identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
•cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
•is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
•gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

, because
you know i do this sort of thing semi regularly? any game i am in with not mafia i would want them solved as town night one too, because their continued existence for town in the game is just too problematic for town to deal with later?

as town, i would basically want myself to be checked out every single game for both selfish reasons and also because i know i can when town cause other town problems reading me.

after that i want people who if they stay in the game like not mafia to be sovled, because else you are just postponing when you do it.

after that, i would want players i would fear as storng potential scum to be solved.

Is this address to me? I'm not very familiar with your play style... only played 2 games with you before where you're town in both but scumread town!me in both.... so, I'm not very agreeable on your judgement + you're a hard player to read due to your unique play style.
Like

NM

, players like you also should be sorted early.

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@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

+1

[Salsabil Faria]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

Their ISO is my case.

Don’t be lazy.

I have another scumread I’ll keep in my pocket for now.

You're kidding right? You should be the last person to call me

LAZY

! I'm on vacation but still posting & what are you doing?? Asking others to make a case for you on whom YOU scumread!!

I don’t know how this person town!

[Salsabil Faria]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay. Who should we lim today then? Imagine you get two vig shots to play with again.

NJAC and Wayward.

I can get behind a Wayward vote, not NJAC. Looking at their ISOs in tandem, NJAC's 261 doesn't feel like a buddy interaction to me but obviously it could be faked. Wayward's 125 could feasibly be a weirdly written buspost since it undermines NJAC without committing to calling them out too much, whereas Wayward's 410 addressed to Drapion doesn't.

Well, one of the reasons I'm still townreading

Wayward

because I practically scumread them throughout the game (Newbie-2100) due to their certain style of playing until scum!

Greeting

nkilled them. As they're not
showing different something here, I'm trusting my gut on them. I'm gonna ISOing them though, and let's see if I can catch anything.

[Salsabil Faria]

To some extent I have townreads on Malcolm, NJAC, Salsa, Ger, Porkens, and Drapion. I'm leaving Crescent in centerfield. That leaves Wayward, Kitty, and Galron who all have leaned null to scum for me recently, I'm fine with pressure on any of these characters.

After reading the three of their ISO's (+ Cres) I have some scum combinations in my mind. For now what I'll say is I feel like wayward-galron could have some credibility, since scum!wayward with a Galron buddy is in a tough spot. Galron's the other wagon, and scum!wayward has admitted they find galron kinda scummy but hasn't voted yet. Wayward has voted Drapion in 301 before, so it's not like Wayward is reserving their vote for the end of the day like some players. Potentially waiting for another opportunity to present itself (e.g. a Malcolm wagon)

Kitty's in a spot where I feel like he could fit in any scum pairing if he's scum, excepting maybe galron since 430, 431 don't feel like a buddy interaction. His recent postblock of 427 - 432 is neutral to me and fits his MO as either alignment. 427 from the perspective of scum kitty and town drapion could be a very simple indicator of "I want to leave this mislim open for later so let's cast doubt on the claim" but my initial reaction to the claim was basically the same so. eh. eh!

In any case I will happily put my weight behind either wagon atm.

Why do you townread

Porkens

?

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Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh and someone scum reads me for something kitty had done in another game?

That

someone

is me but no, that's not what I said (worded poorly)... by saying scum!

Kitty

did similar things, I meant what a scum can do in general (like, scum!

Greeting

said something in Newbie-2100 after get caught was similar what scum!I said in the same situation in another game).

[Salsabil Faria]

Question to everyone, I see Porkens talking about how bad he is and throwing shade at the idea of Town blocs. His only game relevant post is his "gut" vote. Is it only Professor's defense of him that makes him Town?

“HAY EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS OTHER PERSON PLEASE”

QFT

I'm not so hot on my "tinfoil theory" anymore. I never mentioned Professor's claim to see if he would push it as an excuse to not vote him. It'd probably be late game before he could prove it.

When I get back on later tonight, I'll revise my vote. I think Shiidaji is Town.

Professor, Porkens. OMGUS I guess.

Galron, and maybe Malcolm.

These are my best guesses.

NJAC and Wayward.

Without quotes, can you summarize your scum read on NJAC? Something quick?

After Galron's ISO. I just don't know what to say or ask.

@ Galron What do you think?

What make these posts scummy to you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Possible yes, but it still shouldn't have any effect on how someone reads Porkens now. It turns Drapion's early defense of him into a qualifier that shouldn't be there.

Don't understand this, can you explain more?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa/Wayward/NJAC I don’t think is all town IMO.

Do you read my 415 (2)?

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm willing to vote Galron, Porkens and Geraint atm.

Not sure about

geraintm

tbh...

[Salsabil Faria]

We're running out of time. Those not voting should vote.

And what's with that nonsense of no elimination on D1? When did the typical consensus of how bad for town is not eliminating on D1 change?

+1

[Salsabil Faria]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

[Salsabil Faria]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

I did, and he answered.

In fact, you just responded to his response.

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

Oops!

[Salsabil Faria]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

Day 1 eliminations are more than likely to end in thr death of town - scum should be able to easily direct the vote to someone they want. Why give scum a free death? Why allow them to get claims out townies they run up?

And go into day 2 basically blind? There's no guarantee we will have an investigative guilty day 2. A flip is needed to provide some concrete information to base a solve off of unless you are a god at this game.

+1

[Salsabil Faria]

Then 334 comes, and... This question doesn't seem to flow properly at all. He's calling Drapion and Porkens scum together, and he's already more or less doubled down on Porkens. The question is phrased as to have no good answer. Why would Drapion defending him make him town in the first place? This is made even more awkward by the fact that he's also openly claiming to scumread Drapion.

I think it's a good question. Am I to understand you Town lean Porkens? Why?

Porkens is directly reminding me of Goldfish, who was so flagrantly useless as town in 2273 that I actually pegged her as town because I didn't think scum would allow her to continue to be so useless. The feeling I have here isn't as strong as the feeling I had on her, but I also can't remember the last time I saw scum frontload their game with the ridiculous barrage of excuses that Porkens already has. I feel he needs time for further observation. I fully intend to keep needling at him.

And it's not a good question. Drapion defending Porkens early on shouldn't have any influence of whether someone town reads or scum reads Porkens now. The fact that you're calling them scum together already means you can attack almost any potential answer to the question, hence it having no "good" answer.

This is a pretty good summary of where I'm at with Porkens as well. I think scum would typically be a bit more self-conscious about having poorly constructed or bad reads and would work to improve them a bit.

I'm also not too worried about Porkens right now because I feel like if they're scum they won't be able to continue with this approach throughout the entire game and sway town onto their side. I think it's a slot that inevitably sorts itself with time.

Hmm... if

Porkens

(and maybe

Kitty

) are really towns then I'm very wrong with my townreads [

Professor

is still in question but their alignment can also be solved later like

Porkens

]....

Wayward

is my least confident townread and

Galron

is my strongest scumread atm. If I have to compromise in D1, I can compromise with

Wayward

.
What is your read on

Galron

? Iirc, you didn't commit there? Also want to know about your

Wayward

stance.... you don't vote either.

[Salsabil Faria]

At least one. I'd never swear Kitty was Town.

Just to be clear, I think Galron can be scum, Kitty

maybe

.

If you think the wolves aren’t voting you would have to think this thread has zero wolf agenda control.
I don’t believe that, I think there is wolf agenda in this thread.
So your wrong or your wolf.

This is actually a good point, I think

NJAC

also asked something like that to you....

@Wayward

[Salsabil Faria]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

Their ISO is my case.

Don’t be lazy.

I have another scumread I’ll keep in my pocket for now.

You're kidding right? You should be the last person to call me

LAZY

! I'm on vacation but still posting & what are you doing?? Asking others to make a case for you on whom YOU scumread!!

I don’t know how this person town!

I don’t know why you think this is immediately jumping wolf behaviour.

They do got a point actually, they aren’t a strong player they aren’t someone who can do all that as an easy pace but YOU can, everyone has specific expectations and YOURS is on a higher scale so yes you should be doing it and yes I think your lazy for not doing so because unlike Porkens your a player that shouldn’t be lazy.

If I knew any better I’d say your a wolf with Wayward.

I scumread

Porkens

for different reasons which you don't agree and I don't even care at this point. On the other hand, you still sound like

you know them/their alignment pretty well

which still doesn't make sense to me. Only for the reasons I'm not at your &

Porkens

's a** because of the

claim

& the way

Porkens

is playing because I don't think

they'll manage to survive like this

on the later game as scum.

And, If. I. Knew. Any. Better. I'd. Say. You're. something but it'd be breaking the rules, so I won't

[Salsabil Faria]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

Umm.... where did I say that??

[Salsabil Faria]

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Crescent, Wayward Son, Galron, KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-19 10:24:00).

A lot of people aren't voting.....

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

I mean I'll definitely re-evaluate if my scumread flip green or townread flip red.
Do you think

Galron

v

Wayward

is TvS?

[Salsabil Faria]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I mean it could just be pocket paranoia as they aren’t wrong that a wolf will purposely follow a vote from someone.
Usually if it is TvT vote.
That’s why I see what they were getting at and wolf read you myself but after reading some of your posts I no longer believe you to be a wolf but you are my weakest town read in par with Kitty.

If scum can't get a miselimination in the day phase, they can certainly push for no-elimination.... it benefits scum in both ways.

[Salsabil Faria]

I can remember

geraintm

's

D1 is useless; I don't feel like playing in D1

kind of attitude.... not impossible for them to say no-elimination in D1 as either alignment ig.

[Salsabil Faria]

Galron

is at E-1.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

I wanted the page top

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Galron

Need some time.... I think I found something

[Salsabil Faria]

After reading from page 26, I'm having a scenario in my mind.
What if

Crescent

&

Wayward

are scums & scum!

Crescent

is trying to save their partner here by creating another counter wagon on town!

geraintm

. As town-flip on

Galron

will directly point towards scum!

Wayward

, scum!

Crescent

don't have choice to start another counter wagon on another one (a little tin foil theory:

Wayward

can be a scum PR). In this case town!

geraintm

is a safe option for them because other players aren’t sure about

geraintm

and their play style is quite similar as both alignment & scum!

Crescent

know this pretty well to fabricate the scumread on them +

geraintm

entered the game by drawing attention towards

Crescent

.

Another thing is bugging me for a while that how

Crescent

is very sure about

Professor

&

Porkens

's alignment which I find TMIing from scum!them because in my eyes, those two don't do enough things yet to declare them townie tbh. Like in 653, 655 and may be in 656,

Crescent

continuously said

Professor

and

Porkens

are town based on

geraintm

's scum flip, then again said later that scum-flip on

geraintm

will indicate town!

Galron

+ slightly town cleared

Wayward

.
Now do you guys see who are left in the

cleared

list for

Crescent

? Those who don't be pocketed easily or townreading

Crescent

blindly.

By saying all of these, I think

Wayward

is a good elimination for town. I also don’t mind

Galron

but scum!

Crescent

's stance around it making be believe town!

Galron

scenario.

VOTE: Wayward

[Salsabil Faria]

@Shiidaji

, vote

Wayward

[Salsabil Faria]

We have 17 hours 25 minutes left and

Wayward

is at E-2.

FYI, I can't be online later when time will be almost up, it'll be night for me then.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa you beat me to it I've been having Crescent-Wayward in the back of my mind as a potential team for a bit and I'm glad someone else might feel the same way. Though posts like 438 that show them interacting are what make me doubt it since I feel like scum wayward might not slot buddy Cres in as town there + Cres's questioning the TR feels town.

UNVOTE: Gal consider this a vote for wayward, I'll follow up in the morning since I don't know what the count's at rn

I mean if scum don't want to ignore their partner literally and want to fabricate something

townie questions/follow up

... I can say it’s plausible.

But make sure you come back to vote...

geraintm

won't vote and I don’t want them to eliminate in D1 + I'll be sleeping that time.

[Salsabil Faria]

oki xo sweet dreams VOTE: wayward

Lol! Good night

Wayward

at E-1.

Also

@Galron

, I use colored text in all the games, it’s not alignment indicative for me. I'm curious that you didn’t found anything to townread me other than a NAI stuff...

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, drunk

Wayward

is very funny

@Malcolm

, we won't have much info if we flip

Porkens

today.... I think town's best choice is in between

Galron

&

Wayward

atm. And I don’t want to eliminate

geraintm

today.

@Wayward

, yes I agree with you about checking me, my life will be so much easier in later game.
One question though, why don’t you townread me anymore? Apart from I'm voting you?

[Salsabil Faria]

I never townread

Porkens

.... the fact that their joining date puts a big question mark towards their play style here + them vs

Wayward

I don’t think TvT.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw,

@Malcolm

, will you come back to the thread before the finishing time?

@NJAC

.... are you here?

[Salsabil Faria]

Lol... ok, I'll wait for your collected thoughts...

[Salsabil Faria]

If you flip red (&

geraintm

) is town), then

Crescent

is the deep wolf here from the theory I'm having recently. Also, scum!

Crescent

can also be paired with scum!

Porkens

... it also plausible but I'm finding it less likely to be.

Moreover, I can't be 100% sure & it’s basically D1, flip will be pointed towards many things later.

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh one thing.... Feel better

Crescent

, don't beat yourself up over a game.

[Salsabil Faria]

Frustrating matter is that I can see town!

geraintm

is also doing these things as scum!

geraintm

.... but I don't necessarily agree upon scum-flip of

geraintm

will clear

Professor

&

Porkens

but it will clear

Malcolm

&

Crescent

ig. I don't mind voting them if I have to avoid no-elimination today, but still prefer

Wayward

or

Galron

over them.

And

wayward

's recent posts are like.... I don't know if they're pretending or really are town....

@Shiidaji

,

@NJAC

.... help me out here

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

Page top?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Wayward

[Salsabil Faria]

I think I must just be missing something with geraintm

Do you think they're playing

their town card

as scum here?

[Salsabil Faria]

Ohh. Spicy.

Yeah... I don't know what to think anymore

[Salsabil Faria]

Today's POE: {

Galron/Wayward

,

geraintm

,

Porkens

} in this order.

[Salsabil Faria]

Then what do you want to do rn? We have 10hours+ left...

geraintm

needs 3 &

Wayward

needs two.

[Salsabil Faria]

No, but nothing is going anywhere..... no one is moving from

geraintm

,

Wayward

's wagon is also stuck.... I want a flip but can't be online after some time.
And I just unvote, but that doesn't mean I can't vote again.

[Salsabil Faria]

^ this is for 814

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

All I can really do at the moment is occasional checkins until 10 when the meat of this gets started up but I will be clear on this:

My vote is never leaving Gera unless I get a convincing argument that his stance could have been an organically formed town process as opposed to scum slipping he knows too much, or unless I absolutely have to in order to make sure this day doesn't end in an NL.

As I see it, Gera flipping scum nearly town clears Galron, and Gera is by a wide margin my top pick for scum and was already one of my scumreads before this. I have no interest in passive arguments that dont address the point.

I have to be back in Synagogue tonight for Selichot and have to be up super early tomorrow so if we're not getting answers someone has to push for them in my stead. I should, however, be completely available for the last 10+ hours of the day.

Also, I researched 240, then this game, and have confirmed multiple things: Gera did effectively nothing to defend Meg at all in and even put a vote on him for a while before immediately unvoting when he hit -1 (I town read this oops). Meg's train was objectively bad, but he was afraid to actively defend Meg once Meg had already taken off. Galron's train in this game is better than Meg's train that game.

The other is... Galron is..

Probably town

based on Gera's play. What truly of reeks of scum Gera assuming town Galron is a virtually set in stone execution once he goes -1, and wanting to get credit out of 'I told you so" are two things: There are no adequate reasons in Gera's entire ISO to suggest a town read of Galron, and this sudden stance of "He's going to flip green" only appears

immediately after

Galron hits 5 votes. The argument is convenient, it's contradictory, and it's scum. I've already had a laundry list of reasons to suspect him today, but this feels like the proof.

VOTE: Gera

Yeah ok you can die now.

When this flips scum, 90% chance Drapion/Galron/Porkens are all town... Which actually worries me because I have faith in exactly 0 of these people to get anything done.

Anyway, I wish to see any conceivable explanation for how Gera could come to his perspective as town. The only possible way I see to assume there was no counterwagon would be to town read both Drapion and Porkens - Both players he has effectively ignored this entire time. Where does a town member with his non-reads get to this conclusion from? It does not flow with anything else he has said in the game. He's speaking in an absolute that displays an opinion that clearly contradicts his own play, and suggests he has knowledge he should not. I have been unable to think of a single viable argument that makes him town.

And I want to see Galron talk, because Gera's behavior does make it more likely for him to be town, but I want to see him do something based on

his own

merit. I am glad to see he is no longer -1, though.

And I do still think there's a sizeable chance Galron is just scum and has been trying to lurk out the day, so I no significant interest in letting him off the hook. He has effectively vanished from the game since being the lead vote.

Gera isn't a savvy enough player to fake that massive of a slip. He knows Drapion and Porkens are town and that's why he did nothing to challenge the vote. The only worry I have here is I'm not sure Gera would go to bat this hard for a scumbuddy who's -1 and not defending themselves. Gera did not do this in a nearly identical situation with Meg in 240 when he was inactive and running away with the votes.

'Cause I'm skimming. Like, I only actually read a fraction of your last post and my time for now is about to run out.

Gera flipping scum townclears 3 people and makes 2 others look good. Also practically townconfirms me to Boot. I'd call that a lot of info.

But here's a question: If Galron and Gera are town, why does scum Wayward jump so quickly in the first place? What's his motive for drawing potential scrutiny?

Crescent cased gera based on a slip and I guess I could see it but I don't see how a gera scum flip clears that many people. I'd vote gera over a no lim.

It just occurred to me that gera investigates as town maybe? That could be the reason for asking for a scan? Is that even a role?

Also I just remembered the last time I saw someone voice suspicion of scum Gera day 1 they immediately got shot sooo....

Based on my experience with Gera, the way he has been loosely pushing on Malcolm for most of the day as the only vote on him feels like something that is more likely to come from his scum game. He's also voted the guy twice without even unvoting between those votes, which puts on full display just how long he's truly been at it. Heals hasn't contributed much outside of it.

This goes double if Galron or Wayward is scum, and it goes triple if Malcolm is town on top of that.

Scum Gera's favorite place is be is on a splinter vote that shows no signs of going anywhere, where he can nestle himself away and avoid the trains that actually matter. I called him out on this in 240 when I was zoning in on him, too.

In that case will you consider

geraintm

signaling the scumteam to nk you in 25 as a traitor (if we consider we have a traitor in this 11 players game) or just signaling the scumteam as per wiki, scumteam don't know who is the traitor?

From wiki⇨

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

•is Mafia-aligned
•knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
•identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
•cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
•is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
•gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Traitor can come as innocent to gunsmiths... is gunsmith a normal role?

[Salsabil Faria]

Millar role is also normal, right? Does this role come across as innocent via investigation?

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you have reads outside of Malcolm? Can you talk about Salsa?

I think Salsa is probably town just based on the colored font thing which occurred to me earlier today when I was thinking about this game.

I'm town reading salsa at this point I think. There doesn't seem to be an agenda there.

When did your read on me change and why?

Though I still don't understand your reasoning to townread me in 675.

Also

@Galron

, I use colored text in all the games, it’s not alignment indicative for me. I'm curious that you didn’t found anything to townread me other than a NAI stuff...

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm here.... will vote before going to sleep, meantime have to study

[Salsabil Faria]

If

Wayward

flip green, what will your re-evaluate read look like?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

Again page top

[Salsabil Faria]

It’s time for me to sleep... who are we voting finally?

[Salsabil Faria]

6 hours 40 minutes left...

[Salsabil Faria]

People on

Wayward

&

geraintm

's wagon ... want to switch over

Galron

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, I'm very sleepy rn..

VOTE: Wayward

Wayward

is at E-1.

Good night!

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah... Or you're just scum using WIFOM.

VOTE: geraintm

[Salsabil Faria]

Final vote count of Day 1!

Votecount 1.13

XXXTentacion - Look At Me!

(2016)

Commentary: I was torn on whether to feature him in this game or not due to his history of anti-social behavior. However, given the fact that I had featured Snoop Dogg before for his musical contributions, I decided to go with that instead. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that this artist in particular had led a very troubled life.

XXXTentacion was probably the most known representative of a musical genre called SoundCloud rap, which was quite popular in the second half of the 2010s. He was murdered in daylight while attempting to defend himself against armed robbers.

Wayward Son

(5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)

geraintm

(3): Wayward Son, Crescent, NJAC

Galron

(1): KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ended.

At least one scum was on

Wayward

's wagon & other scum is

geraintm

(not voted) if we have 2 scums.
But if we have 3 scums then I believe at least 2 scums were on the

Wayward

's wagon.

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

[Salsabil Faria]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why not

Galron

scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah, I know but I'm not confirming anything.... when saw the flip, immediately 3 names came to mind who are in my town block atm, so the rests are in my POE.

Did

Crescent

townread

Shiidaji

?

[Salsabil Faria]

I strongly believe ger is town.

I think Crescent's case on Gera is solid. Their contradictions here do not make sense as town. Moving my vote before going to sleep.

VOTE: Geraintm

That’s a scummy fucking vote.

What do people think of these posts? On the one hand they feel a bit too obvious for Porkens and Gera to be teammates. Scum would typically be more subtle. But from Porkens' game so far I'm not exactly sure subtlety is something they really do. The second post here feels like an overreaction; why does Porkens, as someone who admitted themselves struggled with reads, have such a strong townread and visceral reaction to a vote on a player who is notoriously difficult to read confidently in D1?

I can remember a post where, most probably

Wayward

, mentioned {

Porkens

,

Professor

,

geraintm

} as a scum team and

Porkens

replied it would be nightmare if they're scum together.... it kept bugging me.

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

#
you voted off a towie, you dont get to make town blocs

Your play style sucks!

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah, I know but I'm not confirming anything.... when saw the flip, immediately 3 names came to mind who are in my town block atm, so the rests are in my POE.

Did

Crescent

townread

Shiidaji

?

Crescent didn't seem to have too many thoughts on Shii.

I need to read the ISOs again...
I was hoping to see

Professor

dead as per their claim tbh, but scum didn't kill a supposed PR but non-PR

Crescent

.... usually means they were caught scum or on the right track.

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

#
you voted off a towie, you dont get to make town blocs

Famously scum never distance themselves from a town elimination for towncred.

Just don't argue with them... players like them should be eliminated in D1, no matter what (regretting for not voting them).

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

You’ll need to elaborate on NJAC.

I didn't scumread them in D1, I still don't scumread them in D2.... they don't do anything to scumread them.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Shiidaji

Why not voting me?

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah, I know but I'm not confirming anything.... when saw the flip, immediately 3 names came to mind who are in my town block atm, so the rests are in my POE.

Did

Crescent

townread

Shiidaji

?

Crescent didn't seem to have too many thoughts on Shii.

I need to read the ISOs again...
I was hoping to see

Professor

dead as per their claim tbh, but scum didn't kill a supposed PR but non-PR

Crescent

.... usually means they were caught scum or on the right track *or

Professor

is scum. (forgot to add)*

*EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

#
you voted off a towie, you dont get to make town blocs

Famously scum never distance themselves from a town elimination for towncred.

i dont understand this post.

and @ njac - my style is what it is. calling me names isnt going to get me to change.

You are shading Salsa for making up their townblock because they voted out a townie. My argument here is town are uninformed and so will often accidentally eliminate town. Your stance here is unhelpful because you are using your meta-refusal to push on D1 (which you did anyway when it suited you) as an attempt to gain town-cred over players like Salsa. You are suggesting you are more townie for not eliminating Wayward which is blatantly untrue, unless your approach to mafia is that all scum automatically just vote out town and never attempt distancing. I don't think that's fair. Either you scumread Salsa or you townread them, or someone inbetween. If it's not the former, there should be value to you in Salsa presenting you with a townblock.

Btw, scum!me could easily voted

geraintm

without gathering any suspicion.

[Salsabil Faria]

Something happened irl, not in the state of mind where I can commit atm.... but I'll get there eventually.

Meantime,

Galron

has the higher chance to flip scum than

geraintm

ig, maybe

Crescent

nk was to frame town!

geraintm

aka another miselimination.

VOTE: Galron

Also, I'm removing

Shiidaji

from the POE but not putting them in the town block yet and removing

Kitty

from the town block but not putting them in the POE yet.

Another thing,

Porken

has a higher chance to be scum than

Kitty

imo.

[Salsabil Faria]

@

Shiidaji

, I now think

geraintm

&

Malcolm

is TvT which can indicate scum!

NJAC

for these reasons:

1.

Scum!them couldn’t vote

Wayward

because they were tonwreading them throughout D1.

2.

Scum!them didn’t

have to

vote

Wayward

because town!

Malcolm

was there to make sure the elimination.

3.

Scum!them could easily voted town!

Galron

without joining town

geraintm

wagon unless

Galron

is there scum partner and the main elimination was between

Wayward

&

Galron

.

So I can see, by doing all of these, scum!

NJAC

was aiming for the towncred and killed

Crescent

to frame town!

geraintm

.

Now, there are something I catch from

Porkens

's ISO:
14 ⇨ got 1st ping (now realised they also didn't RVS).

50, 58 ⇨ got 2nd ping... Like

Crescent

said in 61, the

scan

word was pretty obvious to understand.

71, 76, 84, 114⇨ still don't like this, feels

forcefully acting dumb

.

90 ⇨ got 3rd ping ➤ "

I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal.

"

102 ⇨ "

And when I’m scum I almost always get caught.

" ➤ I believe that's why they're non-commited & lurking.

292 ⇨ The famous

gut vote

on

Wayward

but upon pressuring they gave insufficient logic for the reasoning behind the vote in 486, 488.
But in D2, they literally lied & contradict the whole thing in 1033.

I also notice a behavioural pattern here, when

Porkens

gets cornered by questioning, they trun the question towards the person who initially ask (or shading them) by dodging the answer (or lurking).... I think it’s a scum move for them. These posts are for the matter ➤ 464 (which

Crescent

called out in 485 & 1020 while

Malcolm

kept asking for their thoughts in 952, 990, 1008, 1019, 1021 & 1022.

I'm gonna check

NJAC

's ISO later but I believe all the scums are in this pool: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

NJAC

,

Kitty

,

Professor

} with no particular order.

@Malcolm

, my current read-list looks like this (in no order):

Malcolm

Shiidaji

geraintm

NJAC

Kitty

Professor

Galron

Porkens

[Salsabil Faria]

@

Shiidaji

, I now think

geraintm

&

Malcolm

is TvT which can indicate scum!

NJAC

for these reasons:

1.

Scum!them couldn’t vote

Wayward

because they were tonwreading them throughout D1.

2.

Scum!them didn’t

have to

vote

Wayward

because town!

Malcolm

was there to make sure the elimination.

3.

Scum!them could easily voted town!

Galron

without joining town

geraintm

wagon unless

Galron

is there scum partner and the main elimination was between

Wayward

&

Galron

.

So I can see, by doing all of these, scum!

NJAC

was aiming for the towncred and killed

Crescent

to frame town!

geraintm

.

Now, there are something I catch from

Porkens

's ISO:
14 ⇨ got 1st ping (now realised they also didn't RVS).

50, 58 ⇨ got 2nd ping... Like

Crescent

said in 61, the

scan

word was pretty obvious to understand.

71, 76, 84, 114⇨ still don't like this, feels

forcefully acting dumb

.

90 ⇨ got 3rd ping ➤ "

I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal.

"

102 ⇨ "

And when I’m scum I almost always get caught.

" ➤ I believe that's why they're non-commited & lurking.

292 ⇨ The famous

gut vote

on

Wayward

but upon pressuring they gave insufficient logic for the reasoning behind the vote in 486, 488.
But in D2, they literally lied & contradict the whole thing in 1033.

I also notice a behavioural pattern here, when

Porkens

gets cornered by questioning, they trun the question towards the person who initially ask (or shading them) by dodging the answer (or lurking).... I think it’s a scum move for them. These posts are for the matter ➤ 464 (which

Crescent

called out in 485 & 1020 while

Malcolm

kept asking for their thoughts in 952, 990, 1008, 1019, 1021 & 1022.

I'm gonna check

NJAC

's ISO later but I believe all the scums are in this pool: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

NJAC

,

Kitty

,

Professor

} with no particular order.

@Malcolm

, my current read-list looks like this (in no order):

Malcolm

Shiidaji

geraintm

NJAC

Kitty

Professor

Galron

Porkens

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah mafia are power wolfing probably idk if I want to deal with it though can we execute me today?
I’m just a backup. :/

Game throwing is breaking the core rule in MS.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw,

@Porkens

, in which post

geraintm

soft claimed?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

I'm losing interest in everything!

@Salsa, why exactly did you change your read on geraintm from scum to town?

At first, I thought they were using the WIFOM strategy but the more I read their &

Malcolm

's conversation, I find both of them more towny.

Also imo, for scum!

geraintm

, killing

Crescent

will be a risky move, on top of that, using WIFOM for winning on a later day will be way riskier. On the other hand, killing

Crescent

to frame town!

geraintm

seems very plausible.

IMO this weird overreaction is scummy. Still, I'd rather Galron.

+1

Solid town: Empty Well, Salsa for now, mostly because I can't imagine a plausible scumteam including her rn. Once we get a flip I'll start throwing people in this bin again.
-
Town to null:
Drap Malcolm
Kitty Ger
-
Null to scum:
Porkens NJAC Galron
-
Solid scum: Nobody right now! My duty to you is to change that!!!

I wanted to engage with Porkens more and I guess I just want them to be town but I will make an attempt to be more objective going forward

Porkens NJAC feels like a pretty plausible team. +++ from Pork ISO, ++- from NJAC ISO, just from a skim. ScumNJAC could likely force the early D1 interactions with Pork and it would make more sense as to why they were hand-holdy instead of confrontational in response to pork spewing about his bad reads, they could have wanted to farm engagement with their partner to point to it later down the line. More importantly Porkens has zero opinion on NJAC as far as I can see and has them in null as of yesterday, which is the standard spot to put your buddy for more inexperienced scum.

Porkens Galron from Pork's POV is plausible but not much sticking out. They expressed a lean scum on each other and have little engagement otherwise, I can see it. ++-, ++- both ends.

NJAC Galron neutral from Galron's side, slightly unlikely from NJAC's side, they have had a lot more engagement since NJAC voted Gal and pursues that thread frequently.

I have some other pet theories involving combinations in my nulltown pile that I will snuggle up nice and tight to my chest for now.

I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn

I'm here now...

Btw,

@Porkens

, in which post

geraintm

soft claimed?

His first post

geraintm

's 1st post of D1 >>

'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha

Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

geraintm

's 1st post of D2 >>

well, that is going to make things tougher.

So, what soft-claim

@Porkens

?

Btw,

@Porkens

, in which post

geraintm

soft claimed?

im curious about this too. what tells do i have.

yesterday's posts about me feel very different, mainly because the people writing them havent done it from the point of view that i am scum. you get very different answers if you come at me from a different point of view.

i have this fear that this might be now setting me up to live because they think i might want to go after malcolm. i was first set up via crescent, and now other things? i dunno, maybe, getting paranoid now

Does the 2nd paragraph refer to me? I just stated in this very post why my read changed about you.

And about

Malcolm

, I really think you should reconsider there. By considering the way they're playing, do you think scum!them will go against you (by setting you up with the nk) this boldly? Won't be a rookie mistake for scum!them?

Okay, now that we are talking about softclaims, I didn't want to bring much attention to this, but I think it's better to clarify this soon: my main reason to unvote Galron on D1 was his softclaim.

@Professor. Was that softclaim your reason to ignore my question twice?

Galron

made a soft-claim too??

Great, I'm gonna claim next

Upon re-reading their ISO, I didn't find the soft claim btw... how sure you are?

Porkens - do you plan to vote Kitty and is it a slot you'd like to see eliminated? I feel you're applying a bit of pressure here but not necessarily doing much with it. Do you think Kitty is scummy beyond the vote sheeping? I ask because I have a slight fear this could be some scum theatre between the two of you.

Didn't feel like scum-theatre... I believe they're TvS.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

So, your thinking is, let me get this straight....for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?

That is what you think my plan one. Days before Crescent suspect me, I was already setting them up to kill because I knew that it wouldn't come back on me because I knew from my first post that later kn Crescent was going to think me scum?

"for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?"

Which role in normal can find who visited who? I can't remember this type of roel...

@salsa

I have denied there is a soft claim.
Digging now into what they thought my claim was is not going to be helpful to town.

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

I didn't notice a soft-claim but I am horrendous at spotting or dishing out crumbs.

There was no soft claim for you to notice

What makes you think we were talking about you?

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

1059 (

"I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn"

), 1082

Let's see
geraintm
pros: Eliminates a headache read for lil ol me
cons: I lean town rn
MalcolmTucker
pros: outside chance of malcolm being verbose scum, I trust salsa more
cons: i doubt it rn and I feel like he pushes conversation rn which we need
Porkens
pros: I'm fine with this
cons: none
KittyTacky
pros: doubt kitty gets limmed today, more pressure on him means more posting though which helps read a null-er slot
cons: leaning town rn
Galron
pros: lots of info gained on a red flip from the day1 focus
cons: none rn
ProfessorDrapion
pros: sweet release
cons: potential PR burn
NJAC
pros: I can see some posting come from scum perspective, I'm fine with this
cons: none rn
Salsabil Faria
pros: eh
cons: nah

Don't understand
Btw, I'm more confident in

Porkens

flipping scum, but I'm not against voting

NJAC

either.
I want your opinion about 1073 also.


So far, I can put scum!

NJAC

with scum!

Porkens

, scum!

Kitty

, scum!

Galron

where I find {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Galron

} & {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Porkens

} scenarios are unlikely (based on their conversations with each other).
But my gut feeling is saying

Kitty

is a town here, which leaves this pool: {

NJAC

,

Porkens

,

Galron

}
Now, if

Galron

really soft-claimed as a town, then it confirms

NJAC

/

Porkens

scrum team (if we have 2 scums only, but if there is a 3rd scum/traitor then I don't know.... yet, will consider

geraintm

may be).

Unvoting for now but my vote is on either

NJAC

or

Porkens

today....

UNVOTE: Galron

[Salsabil Faria]

We were talking about this post...

Okay, now that we are talking about softclaims, I didn't want to bring much attention to this, but I think it's better to clarify this soon: my main reason to unvote Galron on D1 was his softclaim.

@Professor. Was that softclaim your reason to ignore my question twice?

[Salsabil Faria]

You're one of them who is not voting because

you don't feel like voting

, remember?

[Salsabil Faria]

My limpool is Porkens and Galron for today.

I want your opinion on 1124... I'm getting cold feet to vote

Galron

for this.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm going for my strong scumread today...

VOTE: Porkens

[Salsabil Faria]

And I believe we'll win by this: {

Porkens

⇨

NJAC

⇨

Galron

(if we have 2 scums) ⇨

geraintm

(if we have 3 scums)}

I'm getting a feeling that I'll be nkilled next,

So remember this order.

[Salsabil Faria]

No one (except

Porkens

) will vote

Malcolm

today... If you'll sit on

Malcolm

wagon for the rest of the day like you did in D1, then you'll be confirmed scum to me.

[Salsabil Faria]

And I believe we'll win by this: {

Porkens

⇨

NJAC

⇨

Galron

(if we have 2 scums) ⇨

geraintm

(if we have 3 scums)}

I'm getting a feeling that I'll be nkilled next,

So remember this order.

Don’t mind it, it'll change.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, are you considering this as a game related content? This slot is just dodging prods & doing literally nothing for 2/3 days... Please take action for this slot, they're literally game throwing!!

[Salsabil Faria]

I'll vote from this pool: {

Porkens

>

geraintm

>

NJAC

>

Galron

} in this order.

[Salsabil Faria]

Dua Lipa - New Rules

(2017)

Commentary: Yeah, don't text your ex. Never ends well. Been there, done that.

Spoiler:

My abusive ex texted me before he was getting married to say sorry but it wasn't real. It was mostly he was getting cold feet to start a new journey while knowing he ruined multiple girls' lives (at that moment I got confirmed that he was cheating on me, earlier in the relationship I had my doubt but couldn't prove it back then).

[Salsabil Faria]

Lol

Btw,

@Professor

, no one is scum reading you anymore, so you're in the mood to play, or?

[Salsabil Faria]

1059 ("I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn"), 1082

I don't remember it was something about the explanation of Mal+Ger town -> NJAC scum lol. I'll poke my brain for it after catch-up

I want your opinion about 1073 also.

NAI-ish post from NJAC, timing felt alright during the flow of convo abt softclaims. If it was NJAC-Galron it would be a little odd of NJAC to just bring that up out of the blue for justification, unless it was an attempted early defense of a Galron lim today. I don't take any stock in it being a soft claim itself if that's what you mean.

Yeah, I was talking about the post

NJAC

thinks is a claim from town!

Galron

.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Galron

, we don't have much time....

[Salsabil Faria]

Hmm.... interesting

[Salsabil Faria]

We are running out of time again. I feel like voting Porkens or Kitty at this point.

Salsa and Malcolm seem town, leaning null on the rest.

Professor's game keeps being that of a bad townie, BTW.

I'm going to reread before deciding my vote.

I'm not voting

Kitty

today but you're also town reading them? What changed?

[Salsabil Faria]

I decided their effort is genuine.

@Porkens

, are you talking about

Kitty

? If so, can you explain what changed from scumread them to townread them?

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly

NJAC

did to change your read on them,

@Galron

?

Pretty sure it’s NJAC/Suji or whatever their name is

Their name is

Shiidaji

.

Spoiler: Fun Fact

In Bangla, we call

semolina

as Suji

I think they are a difference check but not sure whom their partner is.


Pretty confident Porkens and Malcolm are town.

I'm not sure about

Porkens

at all, can you explain your reasoning for them kindly,

@Professor

?

Vote: NJAC

Please state your case on me, as detailed as possible.

I voted you to get some reaction to it from you and potentially others to better my reads. I also enjoy performing my civic duty!! Suprisingly Porkens summarized my general feelings more succinctly than I could below:

NJACs ISO is basically 3 things:

1. Do you think XYZ is town? Why?
2. What is your case on XYZ?
3. You didn’t respond to 123, please go back and respond.

This is quintessential scum fluffing. It looks like activity, but it’s not. It looks like it contributes, but it doesn’t. It’s scum playing facilitator.

VOTE: NJAC

Does this fall in line with a Porkens-NJAC scumteam still existing? Not sure Potentially porkens realizing they need to start dissociating from NJAC after few associative tells.

About last line... yeah, I can see that.

I feel this is the right decision today:

VOTE: Kitty

Yeah... no!

I think Kitty is town.

Here’s where I’m at Salsa has a high chance on being wolf but here is the funny thing.

Kitty can only be a wolf with two players that I can see, Guav and Salsa.
I know I said I think Guav is town but the threadstate says they can be a wolf just must be with Kitty/Guav so to clarify.

Guav/Kitty are town unless wolves together or one with Salsa.

So that’s why I think it’s just more probably you are a wolf.

Spoiler: Kidding!

Welcome to the

Salsa will be always scum no matter what

group

i have ruled out a slot today, because if they thought they saw a crumbed claim or whatever and decided to not eliminate me last night, then i have them as strong town. that is my logic

Why scum!them can't keep you alive to frame town!you with

Crescent

nk,

@geraintm

?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa: why are you against voting Kitty?

Said it in this post: 1115

[Salsabil Faria]

I'll try to come back before deadline but I'll be busy, so no promises.

VOTE: geraintm

E-2

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: NJAC

How much time left?

[Salsabil Faria]

The f**k!

UNVOTE: NJAC

Btw, why did you check

Kitty

out of all players? I just read your ISO, you didn’t thought of scum!

Kitty

that much!

[Salsabil Faria]

Yes, Shidaji could be scum here.

Keep this in mind if I die tonight.

Also don't forget my case on Kitty.

Honestly two laughable concepts here: one is the idea that mafia would shoot NJAC. Why would they do that, exactly?

Two: the word “case” used quite loosely.

I’ll hammer before I go to bed in 3 hours but I STRONGLY SUGGEST anyone who reads this and isn’t doing so already VOTE NJAC.

Don't see what is so laughable.

Porkens

thought by '

die tonight

' you meant nk.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Shiidaji

, sleep later....

NJAC

claimed!

[Salsabil Faria]

BTW, I can't risk no-elimination,

@Kitty

, vote with me...

VOTE: geraintm

[Salsabil Faria]

@NJAC

, you too...

[Salsabil Faria]

Votecount 2.6

Imany - Don't Be So Shy (Filatov & Karas Remix)

(2015)

Commentary: This song was a hit in Europe so the Americans might not have heard it before.

NJAC

(3): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens

geraintm

(2): MalcolmTucker, Galron

Porkens

(2): Salsabil Faria, KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

KittyTacky

(1): NJAC

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-28 19:17:00).

I can't be online for long...

[Salsabil Faria]

You just hammered. Are you going to pretend you didn’t know?

I don't think so?

NJAC

was at E-1 with my vote...Let me check again...

[Salsabil Faria]

NJAC (3): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens
geraintm (4): MalcolmTucker, Galron, salsa, NJAC
Porkens (1): , KittyTacky
MalcolmTucker (1): geraintm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

VOTE: NJAC

How much time left?

Here, with my vote E-1..

The f**k!

UNVOTE: NJAC

Btw, why did you check

Kitty

out of all players? I just read your ISO, you didn’t thought of scum!

Kitty

that much!

Here, with my vote E-2...

[Salsabil Faria]

I go sleep good luck game.

So, you're

ok

with no-elimination?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Malcolm

,

@Professor

,

@Galron

.... anybody here?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hammering....

VOTE: NJAC

[Salsabil Faria]

I think it's

Galron

.... At the end of the day they changed their read on

NJAC

& had them townie.

Btw, why the nk bizarre?

Kitty

claimed tpr.

[Salsabil Faria]

And Salsa will need to explain the hammer there after unvoting. Baffling.

Because upon re-reading

NJAC

's ISO at the last minute (before hammering), I didn’t find any hard scumread on

Kitty

in their D1 posts, instead they were scumreading

geraintm

. So, when being at E-1 they said that they checked

Kitty

at N1, my immediate thought was may be they're scum investigator.

[Salsabil Faria]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

Malcom has a verbose I guess you'd call it posting syle like crescent so a lot of both of their posts would probly get missed. And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

I believe the other 2 of this list are also towns. And '

And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

' explains the N1 kill. I also mentioned some scum!

Galron

points in 309 & 558 in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

And

NJAC

thought

this was soft-claim from

Galron

& that's why they didn’t vote

Galron

in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

@Galron: 314 and 535 were addressed to you. Please answer.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

I don't know why this is importatn but Prof seems to accuse/vote and then examine it. Like shoot first and ask questions later.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

I didn't get anything because porkens was a rep in and their part was late game.

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

I was talking about these D2 posts from

Galron

:

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly NJAC did to change your read on them, @Galron?

It hasn't changed so much as they're bouncing from town to null and back and forth. I had some doubts yesterday morning but going through their iso and seeing them push back against people seems I guess not super townie but at the least not scummy.

I'd like to know the Prof's case though. He seems to be darting around it.

As

NJAC

was the other wagon against

geraintm

, pushing

geraintm

for saving their scum pr seems valid to me.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Galron

[Salsabil Faria]

Drapion bussing his PR partner like that also feels unlikely though his inactivity towards day end means he could have missed his hop-off timing.

Iirr,

Professor

started scumreading

NJAC

from D1... So I find them unlikely to be the other scum (if we have 2 scums).

[Salsabil Faria]

I think it's

Galron

.... At the end of the day they changed their read on

NJAC

& had them townie.

Btw, why the nk bizarre?

Kitty

claimed tpr.

Yeah Galron or Malcolm look like the natural conclusion here. I'll reread interactions after work Malcolm talked to NJAC a lot end of Day 2.

Kitty claimed ascetic townie, nothing else. Tough to call that a tpr in certain setups unless they were thinking he had another ability to mirror NJAC's.

Both

Malcolm

&

Kitty

's reaction to my hammer looks genuine tbh.

Spoiler: For Post Game

I've very limited understanding about roles. Can you explain both

Kitty

&

NJAC

's role to me?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa could have bussed but that’s only if there is a wolf on the wagon it would be them.
Porkens is lock town to me rn

Scum!me wouldn't hammer genius, I would aim for the opposite wagon or even better, no-elimination

[Salsabil Faria]

Really I thought Malcom’s reaction was hilariously over the top exagerated

I'll prefer

Galron

today.

[Salsabil Faria]

lol

[Salsabil Faria]

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

What is this.

I meant you &

NJAC

were communicating for avoiding associative to each other.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa could have bussed but that’s only if there is a wolf on the wagon it would be them.
Porkens is lock town to me rn

Scum!me wouldn't hammer genius, I would aim for the opposite wagon or even better, no-elimination

I mean it really depends.
What the other wolf role is.
How safe you thought you were.
If ending the day immediately with a hammer is a good call in that scenario and you thought they were going to go over anyway so needed to make sure you were on it so you didn’t look bad.

Etc.

Well they popped in and out several times there. Why not just make the vote and like they said shrug at a hammer or a no lim?

Good job at pocketing them though

Btw, I believe you are also scumreading me now?

[Salsabil Faria]

Votecount 1.1

Crescent

(1)

:

KittyTacky

geraintm

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

NJAC

(1): Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(6): geraintm, MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

, ProfessorDrapion,

Crescent

Votecount 1.2

Crescent

(1):

KittyTacky

Galron

(1): geraintm

geraintm

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

NJAC

(1): Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

, ProfessorDrapion,

Crescent

Votecount 1.3

NJAC

(2): Shiidaji, ProfessorDrapion

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

ProfessorDrapion

(1): Salsabil Faria

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.4

ProfessorDrapion

(2): Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.5

ProfessorDrapion

(3): Shiidaji,

KittyTacky

,

Wayward Son

Wayward Son

(2): Galron, Porkens

Galron

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(2): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

Votecount 1.6

Galron

(2): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

ProfessorDrapion

(2): Shiidaji,

KittyTacky

Wayward Son

(2): Galron, Porkens

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(3): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

Votecount 1.7

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

ProfessorDrapion

(1):

KittyTacky

Wayward Son

(1): Porkens

Not Voting

(4): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron

Votecount 1.8

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(2): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

ProfessorDrapion

(1):

KittyTacky

Not Voting

(4): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron

Votecount 1.9

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(2): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.10

Galron

(4): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker

Wayward Son

(3): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron

geraintm

(2):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(1):

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.11

Wayward Son

(5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji (E-1)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Porkens

(1): MalcolmTucker

Votecount 1.12

Wayward Son

(5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria (E-1)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

geraintm

(1): MalcolmTucker

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Final vote count of Day 1!

Votecount 1.13

Wayward Son

(6): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Votecount 2.1

geraintm

(2): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(5): geraintm, MalcolmTucker, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.2

geraintm

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(4): geraintm, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.3

Galron

(2):

KittyTacky

, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(4): geraintm, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.4

Galron

(2):

KittyTacky

, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Not Voting

(3): geraintm, Porkens, Galron

Votecount 2.5

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Porkens

(1): Salsabil Faria

Not Voting

(2): Porkens, Galron

Votecount 2.6

NJAC

(3): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens

geraintm

(2): MalcolmTucker, Galron

Porkens

(2): Salsabil Faria,

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

Final vote count of Day 2!

Votecount 2.7

NJAC

(5): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens, geraintm, Salsabil Faria (Hammer)

geraintm

(3): MalcolmTucker, Galron,

NJAC

Porkens

(1):

KittyTacky

[Salsabil Faria]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

Malcom has a verbose I guess you'd call it posting syle like crescent so a lot of both of their posts would probly get missed. And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

I believe the other 2 of this list are also towns. And '

And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

' explains the N1 kill. I also mentioned some scum!

Galron

points in 309 & 558 in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

And

NJAC

thought

this was soft-claim from

Galron

& that's why they didn’t vote

Galron

in D1.

@Galron: 314 and 535 were addressed to you. Please answer.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

I don't know why this is importatn but Prof seems to accuse/vote and then examine it. Like shoot first and ask questions later.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

I didn't get anything because porkens was a rep in and their part was late game.

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

I was talking about these D2 posts from

Galron

:

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly NJAC did to change your read on them, @Galron?

It hasn't changed so much as they're bouncing from town to null and back and forth. I had some doubts yesterday morning but going through their iso and seeing them push back against people seems I guess not super townie but at the least not scummy.

I'd like to know the Prof's case though. He seems to be darting around it.

As

NJAC

was the other wagon against

geraintm

, pushing

geraintm

for saving their scum pr seems valid to me.

EBWOP

[posts were double quoted for some reason]

[Salsabil Faria]

The way I'm seeing it, it’s a town win game for 2 scums (if we have 3 scums or 2 scums + 1 traitor, which I find unlikely, then I'm not sure about winning as a town yet).

But town can still loose this game because of & only for town!

Professor

, scum won't nk them. So either we eliminate

Galron

(high chance of flipping scum imo) or me (because I think scum won't kill me either & take me +

Professor

into elo which will lead into town losing) today.

I mean

Malcolm

's reaction towards my hammer is giving me pause to go against them today (+

Galron

has the higher chance to flip scum than them). Before claiming investigator,

NJAC

could discuss it in the scum pt & scum!

Malcolm

could see it... So even if they were frustrated, they didn’t have to show their frustration in the main thread, ig?

[Salsabil Faria]

Checking in. Bbl

You don't have to be back... town!

Professor

is doing everything for scum!you lmao

[Salsabil Faria]

Deal & I'm not scum, lol!

[Salsabil Faria]

wait and see what the others in my green pile think.

Galron

is basically lurking atm, iirr (from meta), it’s scum indicative for them.

[Salsabil Faria]

Yup... we're losing the game

[Salsabil Faria]

wait and see what the others in my green pile think.

Galron

is basically lurking atm, iirr (from meta), it’s scum indicative for them.

Malcolm feels absent too

Yeah that also.... But I don’t know

Malcolm

's meta, so not sure....

@Malcolm

....

[Salsabil Faria]

6. The mafia have multitasking.

Happy reminder!! Leaning 2 scum+traitor rn it would align with NJAC's role + potentially another scum PR to interact with Kitty's role.

So, if we miseliminate today, then town'll lose the game, right?

[Salsabil Faria]

Galron

,

Salsabil

is at E-1

[Salsabil Faria]

Then eliminate me today... Scum will definitely take me in elo with

Professor

, and town will confirm lose.

@Shiidaji

,

@geraintm

.... it’s the most logical conclusion for saving town.... please consider it.

[Salsabil Faria]

Then eliminate me today... Scum will definitely take me in elo with

Professor

, and town will confirm lose.

@Shiidaji

,

@geraintm

.... it’s the most logical conclusion for saving town.... please consider it.

See this has been your defence all day today.
“Oh just execute me” “don’t want to deal with me and Drapion”
Really? But you were fine with the Thunderdome.
Instead of defended yourself and talking with me about your action that I find wolfy you play this card?
Ok.

I'm not interested in

talking with you

... Players who play like

literal piece of s***

are harmful for my inner peace... This is the 1st time & will be the last time that I'm playing with you.

[Salsabil Faria]

I am not voting salsa. Will post more later

You really should consider about eliminating me... I imagined all of the aspects (as much as I can) & eliminating me today is the best chance to win for town.

[Salsabil Faria]

I know but think about the bigger picture here... We've 2 useless townies, scum(s) already has/have a big upper hand here for that. May be it sounds like I'm talking like this because of frustration but no, it’s not the case for my appeal here.... It’s purely based on logics.

So, I'm again saying to you (&

@Shiidaji

also) that both of you

should really consider this option

.

[Salsabil Faria]

And,

Malcolm

is gone MIA, like wtf! Both of the supposed!scums are lurking... lmao!

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

In elo: {Scum,

Professor

,

Salsabil

}

2 scenarios:

1.

Professor

votes me, I vote scum & scum votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

2.

Scum votes me, I vote scum &

Professor

votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

[Salsabil Faria]

The way I'm seeing it, it’s a town win game for 2 scums (if we have 3 scums or 2 scums + 1 traitor, which I find unlikely, then I'm not sure about winning as a town yet).

But town can still loose this game because of & only for town!

Professor

, scum won't nk them. So either we eliminate

Galron

(high chance of flipping scum imo) or me (because I think scum won't kill me either & take me +

Professor

into elo which will lead into town losing) today.

I mean

Malcolm

's reaction towards my hammer is giving me pause to go against them today (+

Galron

has the higher chance to flip scum than them). Before claiming investigator,

NJAC

could discuss it in the scum pt & scum!

Malcolm

could see it... So even if they were frustrated, they didn’t have to show their frustration in the main thread, ig?

Yeah this is a good reason to TR you and makes me feel better about you probably just being town as well. Scum partners would have been frustrated at that point but didn't want to articulate it.

From my POV as town I'd seen a player who claimed a role and who was then shortly hammered afterwards without prior warning or discussion following said claim. Kitty was similarly aggrieved and was town. Obviously it worked out for us but had NJAC's claim been legit it'd have been a massive misfire.

I'd also argue you can just look at my interactions with NJAC beforehand. I was starting to lean scum there after a reassessment. Given the votes had been tight and I'd been on Ger, there's no need for me to start vigorously scumcasing NJAC if we're paired. Sure, bit of light pressure is fine, but no more than that. My push on Ger was reasonable at the time and if I were scum I'd have probably stood an okay chance at making it through D3 because the read looked (and given I'm town was) genuine.

I mean, you'll be scum in that scenario if we have 2 scums or 1 scum & 1 traitor left.

Shiidaji

,

geraintm

,

Porkens

&

Professor

all of them are towns, I believe.
For me, it’s between you &

Galron

.... I'm leaning on

Galron

& reasons are already stated.

[Salsabil Faria]

In elo: {Scum,

Professor

,

Salsabil

}

2 scenarios:

1.

Professor

votes me, I vote scum & scum votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

2.

Scum votes me, I vote scum &

Professor

votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

There's a whole world of other scenarios. PR Drapion might get shot by F3 if it ever gets to that point. We have potential PR actions left to work with before then, plus prof can still technically be scum alol

Basically from a town perspective you shouldn't ever do this. I was thinking you were reaction baiting earlier, but if you're honestly town burying your head asking your TRs to vote you, you gotta fortify mental!!! I was expecting more kickback to Drapion casing you than this.

1.

Don't want to engage with

Professor

(if it still not clear that I'm pissed off).

2.

Then we've to agree to disagree. I've experience about this rat-hole situation, so I know what I'm talking about.

[Salsabil Faria]

You really see nothing townie from salsa?

Why are you asking this when you're also scumreading me??

[Salsabil Faria]

And,

Malcolm

is gone MIA, like wtf! Both of the supposed!scums are lurking... lmao!

Wanted to address this earlier (because multiple players commented) but forgot ⇨
This post wasn’t serious... I was thinking if scum!

Malcolm

& scum!

Galron

were discussing in the scum pt that they were screwed, so decided to lurk It was supposed to sound funny lol.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not interested in

talking with you

... Players who play like

literal piece of s***

are harmful for my inner peace...

This is treading on

very

thin ice with regards to the following rule.

9. Please remember, at all times, that this is a game that is supposed provide an enjoyable experience for all. Mafia can get heated. Players will argue. This is all part of the mafia experience. However, you should be considerate of the feelings of others while posting and refrain from any actions that could turn this game into a hostile environment for anyone.

Be more considerate of what you're posting.

If this rule is violated again by anyone else, I will take more serious action.

Noted.

[Salsabil Faria]

There's a whole world of other scenarios. PR Drapion might get shot by F3 if it ever gets to that point. We have potential PR actions left to work with before then, plus prof can still technically be scum alol

yes to this ^^^^

Nah... I don’t think

Professor

is scum & certainly don’t think scum'll kill them.

[Salsabil Faria]

And,

Malcolm

is gone MIA, like wtf! Both of the supposed!scums are lurking... lmao!

Wanted to address this earlier (because multiple players commented) but forgot ⇨
This post wasn’t serious... I was thinking if scum!

Malcolm

& scum!

Galron

were discussing in the scum pt that they were screwed, so decided to lurk It was supposed to sound funny lol.

Salsa can you name/link all your scumgames onsite?

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=86625

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86864

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87429

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

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[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not a good player, certainly not a bold one. Scum!me usually take calculative risk & avoid unnecessary attention.

In D2⇨

1.

I wasn’t in the

scumreading zone

for most of the players & 1/2 scumreads don't startle me usually. So scum!me wouldn’t had

the concern

about

the supposed towncred

.

2.

In most case, scum!me will always try to save the partner(s). Here, scum!me had

not one but 2 options

to save my supposed scum partner

NJAC

➤ sit on

geraintm

& hoping for anyone to commit the elimination or NO-ELIMINATION.

If sOmEoNe doesn't know anything about

progression of read

or

how scum manipulates

or

how scum can show

townie concerns

&

so full of themselves

, then how do I & why do I want to engage with them?? I'm not gonna treat sOmEoNe as a

newbie

in a

non-newbie

game!

[Salsabil Faria]

Aiming for the page top...

[Salsabil Faria]

Got it!