In post 290, SirCakez wrote:why would I start bussing here now? if Somnus and I were buddies I'd fire up a wagon on someone else not roll over onto them
and I very rarely bus after Among Us Mafia where I bussed my whole team then lost lol
I think some things are kind of... universally understood currently. Somnus is scum; eliminating in the small hood is disadvantageous as we don't yet have a clear idea who scum in the big hood is.
You obviously agree with the first bit. But I don't get the feeling your vote is a pressure vote, exactly, as I don't think you believe one extra vote will suddenly make Somnus play. So what are you hoping to achieve, exactly? The answer is towncred upon a Somnus flip. Somnus flipping red doesn't help the town currently, because we don't actually have to kill him to solve the game, but if you're scum with him, it does help you. The town should absolutely be focusing on the big hood, because - Somnus flips red,
then what
?
This is an even worse look if Somnus is town, but I refuse to believe that we're in that universe.
uh what? I want to lim Somnus so that we can solve based on the flip lol. I think Som is scummy but I don't trust shit til I see the flip. I don't like this strategy you're doing basically solving the game as if Somnus has already flipped scum.
I agree with this - it would be incredibly cocky to leave somnus' alive and play the rest of the game as though he were flipped scum, not to mention that even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner if they're 100% he's going down
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
This time the vote is just me finding Lucian persuasive and little else
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
The next time I try to play with only one ultra ball I will give Lucian a three lone script about why that's a bad idea and have him read it back to me and then I will stop losing at pokemon
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
i feel like at the start of the game the argument for killing in the big hood was "let's treat everyone equally and just elim scum" which i understood but now it's somehow become actively bad to elim in the small hood and i think that makes negative sense
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 309, Cephrir wrote:i feel like at the start of the game the argument for killing in the big hood was "let's treat everyone equally and just elim scum" which i understood but now it's somehow become actively bad to elim in the small hood and i think that makes negative sense
Cephrir there are a large number of setups like this where mechanically the lim targets are leashed but the perception that the game is leashed damages the dayplay and the highest win percentages come if everyone has a shared delusion that anyone can be eliminated and then in the last 24 hours acknowledges the leashing behavior instead.
It is not the last 24 hours you are totally ruining it
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 309, Cephrir wrote:i feel like at the start of the game the argument for killing in the big hood was "let's treat everyone equally and just elim scum" which i understood but now it's somehow become actively bad to elim in the small hood and i think that makes negative sense
I think "let's eliminate whoever is the scummiest" is a strategy that generally makes the most sense. But there are circumstances, like this one, where a different strategy might make more sense.
But my argument doesn't have to be specific for this setup - SirCakez is lazily voting a universal scumread, without trying to sort around them and without giving thought to who is scum with them. Like Dannflor just said, what do we learn from Somnus flipping red, besides the mechanical stuff about me/Bear?
I think "Somnus flipping red makes Lucian and Scared Bear conftown, which allows big-hood-scum to shoot them without invoking any WIFOM within the game" is a valid throught process. But the argument works without it, too.
In post 303, Cephrir wrote:even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner
I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.
In post 303, Cephrir wrote:even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner
I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.
but... what if they just don't
as isis said, giving choices is worse than not giving choices
In post 303, Cephrir wrote:even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner
I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.
but... what if they just don't
as isis said, giving choices is worse than not giving choices
Then they kill in the small hood and confirm the scum in it. Which is bad... why?
I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.
In post 319, Lucian wrote:I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.
What if we ignored EV and listened to our heartsongs
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 319, Lucian wrote:I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.
yes you are right eliminating scum is terrible
There is clearly more nuance in my argument than that, but sure, do what you want.
