Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

ISO · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:40 pm

In post 148, Frogsterking wrote:Scum lean on Shea what the fuck

Even if I claimed scum by using verifiable screen shots you wouldn't have the ability to lim me.

Anyway, gunna pass out now. Keep having fun folks.

Grib · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:42 pm

In post 146, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 143, Grib wrote:I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable and very public information. There's literally no point. What, was he banking on you not remembering?
I don't agree with
"I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable information" people do that all the time and I disagree that's a "safe" assumption especially. And in
mafia I've seen scum lie about more trivial things out of convenience when it had no long term strategic benefit and then not face any consequences when they were discovered because it gets buried under wifomy reasoning like "they wouldn't do that it's too easy to check."

And to answer your question, I don't think it was calculated, I think it was just inconvenient when you asked him about my play for him to have to tell you
"I played scum with him recently and he is garbage, he's probably Town here" and allow us to consolidate a Town core together. I think if anything, he banked on no one taking it seriously if he happened to get called out on it.

That's stupid. If he was going to lie, he could've just said he didn't remember. He didn't even have to bring up that he's played with you before, he did that voluntarily.

Firebringer · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:42 pm

In post 150, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 148, Frogsterking wrote:Scum lean on Shea what the fuck
Even if I claimed scum by using verifiable screen shots you wouldn't have the ability to lim me.

Anyway, gunna pass out now. Keep having fun folks.

I wouldn't mind seeing those screenshots

ISO · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:45 pm

No I can't share them with you.

You would actually be able to get a lim on me.

Firebringer · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:45 pm

Also that game was february this year. I don't know if i would call it recent although i think that was literally my last scum game so i should have remembered it enough to remember you were my teammate. You got elimmed pretty early in that game though and I didn't even read your posts that much now that you reminded me of it. Would need to go back and read the game because my impression was it was pretty bad.

I don't see how that game anyway takes u out of ur scum game here because i would hope u improved since then.

Grib · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:47 pm

Despite being warned that Frog's logic is hard to follow, I just flat out do not like where his worldview is at. None of his posts make sense to me as a villager.

Grib · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:47 pm

In post 153, Thestatusquo wrote:No I can't share them with you.

You would actually be able to get a lim on me.

Is it a complete coincidence that you happened to start posting shortly after Frog called you out?

Frogsterking · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:48 pm

In post 151, Grib wrote:
In post 146, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 143, Grib wrote:I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable and very public information. There's literally no point. What, was he banking on you not remembering?
I don't agree with
"I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable information" people do that all the time and I disagree that's a "safe" assumption especially. And in
mafia I've seen scum lie about more trivial things out of convenience when it had no long term strategic benefit and then not face any consequences when they were discovered because it gets buried under wifomy reasoning like "they wouldn't do that it's too easy to check."

And to answer your question, I don't think it was calculated, I think it was just inconvenient when you asked him about my play for him to have to tell you
"I played scum with him recently and he is garbage, he's probably Town here" and allow us to consolidate a Town core together. I think if anything, he banked on no one taking it seriously if he happened to get called out on it.
That's stupid. If he was going to lie, he could've just said he didn't remember. He didn't even have to bring up that he's played with you before, he did that voluntarily.

I agree it's stupid. Well, I don't it's stupid I think it's lazy. Here's scum lying about their meta which is easily verifiable just to dodge question they didn't like:

viewtopic.php?p=13434660#p13434660

Enchant is the only one who calls them out on it and that scum lived until like Day 4 in that game. That's the game that made me finally start taking it seriously when players do this.

Grib · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:51 pm

Honestly, that looks like sarcasm. The first quote literally comes from someone who knows that Malcolm has been eliminated Day 1 before.

Firebringer · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:52 pm

wait frogster, quick sanity check for me.
do u seriously believe this about me lying to grib about our past in order to....hide our history or something and this is scum motivated.

Cause honestly i thought this was another thing to just push more pointless conversation forward as you desperately seem like you want to just have people engage.

Firebringer · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:53 pm

In post 153, Thestatusquo wrote:No I can't share them with you.

You would actually be able to get a lim on me.

what lies this man posts

Frogsterking · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:57 pm

In post 154, Firebringer wrote:I don't see how that game anyway takes u out of ur scum game here because i would hope u improved since then.

viewtopic.php?p=13480102&user_select%5B ... #p13480102

My most recent scumgame.

Grib · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:02 pm

Hm.

Skimming that, I would say that Frog does look a lot better this game?

But his posts make my brain go ??? and he literally ran away from answering my concerns about his original vote, so...

ISO · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:02 pm

In post 156, Grib wrote:
In post 153, Thestatusquo wrote:No I can't share them with you.

You would actually be able to get a lim on me.
Is it a complete coincidence that you happened to start posting shortly after Frog called you out?

In post 149, Thestatusquo wrote:What's weird about it? The baseball game I was at ended at like 11:40. I walked to my hotel and I posted. I didn't even read that before I did lol.

Literally had not even read a single post in the thread since my last post. This is all verifiable information. I am V/LA in NYC for the mets series, walked to my hotel after the game, posted hey I'm not reading hope everyone is having fun.

I promise you I am in no way scared of frogster. Nor do I believe he is capable of catching anyone no matter how much they post. If you look at my games you'll see I'm an omega poster as either alignment.

Firebringer · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:04 pm

how is the baseball game going

Grib · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:04 pm

None of that is relevant to your alignment, or whether or not you and Frog share a private chat.

Frogsterking · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:06 pm

In post 159, Firebringer wrote:wait frogster, quick sanity check for me.
do u seriously believe this about me lying to grib about our past in order to....hide our history or something and this is scum motivated.

Cause honestly i thought this was another thing to just push more pointless conversation forward as you desperately seem like you want to just have people engage.

I'm not being ironic, I think it's stupid you expect me to believe you love playing scum so much, remembered this game (as your last scum game), remembered you've played ONE game with me, and somehow you tell Grib that you think I might be scum because you've never seen my scum game before.

PEdit:

YES GRIB my divergent meta is NOT something scum want to bring up because it helps Town sort me.

ISO · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:06 pm

I don't really even know what the accusation is here, bud.

Are you saying you think frogster said "I'm gunna go call you out in thread" and then I was like "oh cool I'll respond to it immediately. As scum its very important to make sure your actions seem as coordinated as possible."

Firebringer · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:07 pm

In post 165, Grib wrote:None of that is relevant to your alignment, or whether or not you and Frog share a private chat.

pretty sure it is relevant if u want to dig into the timing of when he showed up and where he said he was doing at the times previously.

don't know why we want to go into this route. I don't think this is really anything we can dig into without going into conspiracy theory. Nor do I think their interactions scream theatre right now.

ISO · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:07 pm

Nor do I really do scum theatre for that matter, but self meta etc.

ISO · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:08 pm

Though I'm pretty sure fb has rolled scum with me and can pretty easily confirm I'm not the "hey everyone lets plan out how we're going to interact with each other!" type because its a pretty stupid way to play mafia.

Firebringer · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:09 pm

I don't remember how u do scum interactions but i think uve done them well enough that i never figured u were scum from interactions with teammates so....theres that.

Grib · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:09 pm

I think I need to go to bed.

ISO · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:09 pm

I want to make it very clear I meant that firebringer rolled scum with me THIS game.

Grib · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:10 pm

In post 168, Firebringer wrote:
In post 165, Grib wrote:None of that is relevant to your alignment, or whether or not you and Frog share a private chat.
pretty sure it is relevant if u want to dig into the timing of when he showed up and where he said he was doing at the times previously.

don't know why we want to go into this route. I don't think this is really anything we can dig into without going into conspiracy theory. Nor do I think their interactions scream theatre right now.

I was talking about the whole "this is where I am and what I'm doing and why I'm V/LA" information, which was never in doubt.