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[Firebringer]

ill explain tomorrow i must now do that sleep thing i hear so much about.
if i could sum it up in one word it would be superficial

[Bellaphant]

Nine pages of nonsense!i don't think it's massively ia for fire, I think grim might be town and I'm biased into reading frog as town. If you are all town , please stop.

Aisa is fine and I've found them fairly easy to read as both alignments.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Firebringer

Sounds like an excuse to not have reads.

Also I've found empirically that scum are more likely to deliberately avoid filling out my survey and act dismissive toward it.

Here you're talking about personality clashes being important to you but you're acting aloof toward filling out my survey which would verify or reject the idea that personality clashes are a legit thing here.

Hmm, this is bad. I don't know whether it's just bad in general or if it's bad because I think Fire is town. What I do know is that I refused to fill out a Frog survey in a recent game and he didn't make a sound about it. Frog, what's different?

I feel like this is +town for Grib, this is like the quintessential townie reaction to playing with me for the first time.

Feels like appeasement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I scum read you in our recent game and you scum read me right back, no?

Above the Line
Firebringer
Frog
Grib
Bellaphant
The Line-------Eiralox, NM, Enchant, Firth, TSQ, BBT
HighPrincess
Aisa
Below the Line

So many bad reads - Talk about any of Frog, Bella, HighPrincess or Aisa?

I can also see town!Fire viewing Aisa as scummy even though I think the opposite and am

low

certain his read is wrong and Aisa is Town.

What makes you think town!Fire is scum reading town!Aisa as opposed to scum!Fire scum reading town!Aisa?

I was going to scum case Elements but I think they're reads are tracking. It's interesting that they chose to put Bella above null. I was feeling that earlier but I couldn't really rationalize it.

Town leans:
Fire
Grib
Aisa
Elements

How are their reads tracking? What does that even mean? You see a progression in them? They line up with your view? Explain?

Not fully caught up yet but this is much better than my current vote

VOTE: Frog

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi Bella, you scum?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Bellaphant]

Actually no.

[Grib]

Good morning. Probably not going to post much today, just to let the thread breathe.

I at least want to see BBT's catch-up before I resume vomiting onto the thread.

[Grib]

Actually no.

I do worry, though, that your hesitance to get involved in any capacity is indicative of scum. But that's a feeling that remains from playing with you once quite a while ago. What are you thinking/feeling right now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actually no.

But I am town so you must be? That's how this works, right?

Do you have any thoughts on Frog?

I at least want to see BBT's catch-up before I resume vomiting onto the thread.

Are you OK?

[Aisa]

Aisa is fine and I've found them fairly easy to read as both alignments.

This is intriguing. Where did you see me as scum and what gave me away?

Also, just for fun...

Spoiler: Will you analyse me, Frog?

"Get angry easily" = 1

"Take charge" = 3?

"Make people feel welcome" = 4?

"Like music" = 4

"Like to tidy up" = 2

"Like to visit new places" = 3

"Feel comfortable around people" = 3

"Interested in many things" = 4

"Love order and regularity" = 4

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 2

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 2

"Cheer people up" = 2

"Lose my temper" = 1

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4

"Enjoy thinking about things" = 4? They're all generic qs but this is the most generic of them all

"Cheat to get ahead" = 1??

"Feel desperate" = 2

"Rarely overindulge" = 2

"Easily resist temptations" = 2

"Have a high opinion of myself" = 3

"Waste my time" = 4

"Need a push to get started" = 4

"Have little to contribute" = 1

"Keep my cool" = 5

"Avoid crowds" = 3

"Turn my back on others" = 3?

[Firebringer]

i don't think it's massively ia for fire

This actually intrigues me. Please expand on how this isn't indicative of alignment for me.

[Bellaphant]

@grib, and kinda @fire, I find pages and pages of the same people going back and forth just turns in to white noise for me. Im pretty sure I've seen fire do it as both alignments, possibly slightly more as town? But it doesn't stick out for me as telling.

@aisa, sorry, I had you mixed up with another replace in in a similar times newbie who's name started with a. You were town in our game (yes?) And you've recently been town in a game with klick, where I had you as town very early. I do think I read a game you were scum in recently-ish, but I wouldn't swear to it.

@bbt, I was really into this player list and really hope to be actually town with you. I think this is town Ish for frog, but I am aware I'm easily swayed by them as a player.

Elemis is the player that's pinged me the most.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.03

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).

VC

Aisa [3]:

Bellaphant [17], Elements [77], Firebringer [80]

Frogsterking [3]:

Thestatusquo [8], Grib [59], BlueBloodedToffee [202]

Solway Firth [2]:

Aisa [5], Eiralox [11]

Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia [78], Enchant [204]

BlueBloodedToffee [1]:

HighPrincessErinys [125]

Firebringer [1]:

Frogsterking [133]

Not voting [1]:

Solway Firth

Mod Notes

none!

Flavor

Spoiler: The Good Place

[Solway Firth]

Okay, now you feel almost too scummy to be scum.

Will you tell me about your playstyle? How you tend to handle the early- mid-, and late-game? Why do people who don't know you typically scumread you, and if someone had experience with you, what would they think of your posts so far?

Sorry for the rapid-fire questions, but you intrigue me.

Firebringer, do you like playing as scum?

[Solway Firth]

I changed my mind a bit. Frog is sus, but not quite scum yet.

Yikes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Frogsterking

I feel like this is +town for Grib, this is like the quintessential townie reaction to playing with me for the first time.

Definitely feeling it cause like. It's just a smidge bit weird to this one to post a giant personality survey and probe people who don't answer it. Like yeah, if it works it works but like. Man! Kinda quirked... Not the biggest fan.

I dislike this post. Frogster has already explained his motivation for probing the people who haven’t answered his survey. All this post does is call Frogster’s behavior weird without explicitly scumreading him.

[Enchant]

Game i staling, let's make decision already and end day.

[Not_Mafia]

Yeah let's just vote me off

[Solway Firth]

I have some thoughts on the earlier pages of the game but I’ll refrain on spending too much time on them because we’re several pages after then. In summary, I agree with the points about Frogster trying to appease people, and I do think it is +scum. At the same time Firebringer’s comments about how he doesn’t like the player list read as demotivated scum. I don’t think that not having a good player list would cause Firebringer to have an emotional reaction of the same level he had. I don’t think the Firebringer/Frog banter will lead anywhere, Frogster doesn’t publicly operate in the realm of facts and logic so trying to have a discussion in the early game with him is pointless. As for HPE, I scumread her to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off. As for Grib, he’s demonstrated a towny inquisitiveness but I have no deeper read beyond that.

[Solway Firth]

For the more recent pages, I think the spat between Quo and Grib is NAI. Eiralox is tonally off but nothing that I can pinpoint as not being part of their personality.

[Firebringer]

Okay, now you feel almost too scummy to be scum.

Will you tell me about your playstyle? How you tend to handle the early- mid-, and late-game? Why do people who don't know you typically scumread you, and if someone had experience with you, what would they think of your posts so far?

Sorry for the rapid-fire questions, but you intrigue me.

Firebringer, do you like playing as scum?

yes

Game i staling, let's make decision already and end day.

be the change u want to see

Yeah let's just vote me off

u aren't allowed to die until u give us at least 10 good memes

[HighPrincessErinys]

Game i staling, let's make decision already and end day.

We still have like 8 days to come to a decision, y'know.

As for HPE, I scumread her to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off.

Just was not particularly keen on how BBT went about their vote. Also would prefer if you used this one's preferred pronouns, please.


As for other matters, this one is considering a vote on Frogster. Definitely echo the idea of appeasement, and just in general didn't really like his tone during the already weird accusation and subsequent vote based on Fire lying about meta. Going to wait on that for the time being. For now: A vague reads list because only like 3 people are actually posting frequently.

Townlean:
Aisa
Thestatusquo
Scumlean:
Frogsterking
Enchant

Other than Frog being genuinely kind of "hm." none of these very concrete. Everyone else is about neutral right now, and definitely subject to change once people actually start getting to talking.

[Eiralox]

Off to town today, glad to see enchant and firth have joined us. Not much to add tbh, so far the only weird vibes i got are from bella(and a little bit from element), idk just sorta a sussiness i can't place..... not nearly enough to make me push on this early tho, guess i'd just mention it. Firth's entrance is... meh for now, like I also didn't like firebringer's entrance but how does thgat point to demotivated scum?.

That;s it I guess, back later ; )

[Firebringer]

it was very weird to read that i read as demotivated scum (on page 1?) when i said i wanted to be scum and have said i liked playing scum in this game and dozens of games.

[Firebringer]

activity game prediction considering we got like 10 posts in this real day:
ranked from most likely highest activity to lowest-

FrogsterKing
TheStatusQuo
Firebringer
Grib
Aisa - I expect more activity later from this person.

And now i put everyone else in the low activity to moderate lurking to where I expect you to have a total of 20 posts at most by the end of day on the average to even be high end by the end of this game day.


So really in this 13 player game we going to have 5 people playing and 8 people commuting to make comments every now and then.

Someone prove me wrong on this.

[Firebringer]

Anyways my rough dislike of Aisa reads and reasoning behind it. As said before - seems incredibly superficial.

Both have a sort of playfulness and "unseriousness" while not seeming particularly designed to come across as towny to me. Contrast with my personal experience of playing scum, which is to spend lots and lots of time ruminating over the tone of a post. Not much evidence, but I added the "early page 2" qualifier for a reason.

Not trying to look townie on page one with a early posts that amount to nothing. How surface level is this, do you expect a jump in form Eirlax like "look at me im so town" which frankly goes against your next read with Frogster because if that is your expectation then Frogster was basically trying to shout im town from page 1 and onwards and then you justify your read and double down for lets moveo n.....

I tend to townread lots of quick posting, Frog meets that description, and I don't see where the scum agenda is. Hoping for a textbook case of "guy who appears to be scumhunting is, in fact, scumhunting"

Again. This is superficial and lazy and if you go with your reasoning one first as this person isn't trying to look town, this person is been doing that. Admitted he wanted to be seen as town in later posts when I questioned him on it, and you ignore it because "ohh he is scum hunting so he is scumhunting" I am not expecting in depth analysis but I don't expect it to be this basic for aisa from what I remember of you. This is just like let me throw out townreads and justify them later.

Also what is this

Eira's latest post is also consistent with what I know of their townplay, and my best guess is that the stream-of-consciousness style post would be kind of hard to fake as scum. Did I pocket them or did they pocket me?

Low key buddying. And what even from Eira stream of consciousness couldn't be faked? Do I need to pull it up, because I don't know Eira but i agree that is a "stream of consciousness" I also think it means exactly nothing because their thoughts weren't deep enough to get me to think they were actively engaged high enough for it to be unlikely to come from scum. How couldn't a scum person read the thread and have that stream of consciousness. I don't see it at all. This is saying nothing while trying to say something.

Only thing i like about Aisa is her question to elements on why is bella above null.