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[Frogsterking]

Herpa derp *towns about*

[Grib]

Minor pros dodge because I’m too lazy to check when I last posted. Happy to see several new pages, just can’t really look at the thread until end of the work day.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aisa, is there a spot in your reads for the person who continues to hard town read you with no real reason for it?

[Frogsterking]

Sooo… I made a case for Frog being scum. As of right now none of the concerns I have have been addressed. The only “defense” I’ve seen is that Frog doesn’t play logically, which isn’t helpful at all.

That being said, he claims that he’s good at sussing scum out on Day 1, so I’m happy to let him scumhunt and reevaluate my own read based on how he does his thing.

Other than that, I really don’t have much to say. Last night more than half the player list had less posts than the mod. I think Fire is town and Frog is scum. Everyone else is a big fat question mark.

Let me put it this way. Frog doesn’t play illogically, he rather works behind-the scenes and isn’t always forthcoming with his thoughts. He also says things he may not fully believe and manipulates others to advance the town agenda. This often leads to him being scumread for tone and being manipulative. Frogster struggles to replicate this as scum. I do not have any personal experience with Frogster but I have skimmed through several of Frogster’s games and in those games seen people describe his meta.

Thanks for the shittiest Townsend of all time. Can you post a reads list with explanations please?

[Aisa]

BBT: Urrggghhhh this moment probably had to come sooner or later but I was hoping it would be later.

I still think Eiralox is probably town. It did cross my mind yesterday that if they're not then I'm making an absolute fool of myself. I tried looking for a scum game but didn't find any.

Things that might make me think they're scum eventually: admittedly they could be hiding and looking like they're doing things by sheeping a lot of the things I say. However, I feel that this is mitigated by the fact they've produced some independent content e.g. by talking to you by now.

Evidence that makes me think they're town that I haven't commented on yet: the promising to elaborate on a read and then needing at least a couple of real-life days to do is something I've seen them do before as town.

I still feel their play is more consistent with them being town than them being scum.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Shea

Breadcrumb something something

[Frogsterking]

Evidence that makes me think they're town that I haven't commented on yet: the promising to elaborate on a read and then needing at least a couple of real-life days to do is something I've seen them do before as town.

I still feel their play is more consistent with them being town than them being scum.

Smooth.

[Frogsterking]

@Bella

@Gribs

@Fire

@Elements

@Enchant

Can you confirm there's an up to date list on who all you Town read in your ISO, and if there isn't can you post one?

[Elements]

Why do you want a list of town reads? So you know who to night kill?

[Enchant]

I will nightkill Elements.

[Frogsterking]

Time to try to engage frogsterking on his level.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B1.5.29

I know this is a thing you care about, how would you say BBT scores on this here.

Lol I'm not scum with BBT, officer. I swear, honestly

I would be more open to listening to your idea about the Weak Argument Method even though it's clearly not supported by any research if you weren't so quick to put me down at every opportunity.

I think disagreeing with your methods does not equal putting you down. But I also don't think this is a productive use of either of our time, this argument. I do not buy your methods and I don't think there's anything you can say or do that will make me given my experience reading a bunch of your games.

The only thing that's annoying here is you trying to hold me hostage by saying you wont even consider my arguments unless I agree with your scum hunting methods. Which I'm just straight up not going to do because I've seen no evidence they catch scum anywhere.

This is projection because:

1) There is no evidence anywhere that your methods catch scum.

2) I think disagreeing with your methods doesn't equal trying to hold you hostage.

3)

4)

[Frogsterking]

Why do you want a list of town reads? So you know who to night kill?

Exactly.

[Frogsterking]

I will nightkill Elements.

I'm interpreting this to mean Elements is your only Townread.

[Enchant]

No, i am my only townread but i won't kill myself because killing self is wrong guys don't do it

[Frogsterking]

This Towncore is explosive

[Enchant]

ty

you also look dynamite

[Frogsterking]

Why do you want a list of town reads? So you know who to night kill?

Why do you want a list of town reads? So you know who to night kill?

Exactly.

I'm trying to see whether we have any collective insight into the slots which are harder to read. I call it "Town reading by proxy."

[Solway Firth]

I want to put HPE in my towncore. I agreed with whoever said it was "blowing with the wind" and in some sense it still feels like an apt description in that often Erinys goes with a point someone else brought up first. However, even when all it is doing is arguably sheeping someone else's read it explains its thought process in a way that feels pretty reasonable. The explanations are really helpful and make it sound like its reads are real.

Beyond that, I feel a bit lost. There is a world in which the scumteam is something like Not_Mafia, Enchant, and Solway Firth, and if we are in that world I am still doing alright. If we are not in that world, however, then I am fast running out of people to scumread. Even Elements feels kinda like good vibes, although obviously my brain is telling me I'd be a fool to townlock her for, uh, being generally unable to explain her read on me.

I guess it could be some of BBT/Bella/Frog, and who knows what alignment Fire is, but ugh.

Maybe I'll just chill on the Frog wagon for a while. VOTE: Frogsterking

If anything I would say that’s scum indicative for HPE. You’re saying that HPE is repeating thoughts by others but framing them in a helpful way. I think that rather points to HPE being scum and uncomfortable with making its own points.

[Solway Firth]

Sooo… I made a case for Frog being scum. As of right now none of the concerns I have have been addressed. The only “defense” I’ve seen is that Frog doesn’t play logically, which isn’t helpful at all.

That being said, he claims that he’s good at sussing scum out on Day 1, so I’m happy to let him scumhunt and reevaluate my own read based on how he does his thing.

Other than that, I really don’t have much to say. Last night more than half the player list had less posts than the mod. I think Fire is town and Frog is scum. Everyone else is a big fat question mark.

Let me put it this way. Frog doesn’t play illogically, he rather works behind-the scenes and isn’t always forthcoming with his thoughts. He also says things he may not fully believe and manipulates others to advance the town agenda. This often leads to him being scumread for tone and being manipulative. Frogster struggles to replicate this as scum. I do not have any personal experience with Frogster but I have skimmed through several of Frogster’s games and in those games seen people describe his meta.

Thanks for the shittiest Townsend of all time. Can you post a reads list with explanations please?

I can in around 7 hours.

[Thestatusquo]

VOTE: Shea

Breadcrumb something something

Please respond to my question.

[Thestatusquo]

Oh you just did.

I'm not saying you're scum with BBT I'm trying to get you to vote bbt.

[Thestatusquo]

But that is a truly bizarre response.

[Thestatusquo]

Also i would caution anyone against putting firebringer in a town bin for that last round of posting. That's extremely within his scum range.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

Just skimming, but 517 is a take I agree with, which I touched lightly on in an earlier post.

I haven’t posted a list yet because I’d probably waffle too much. I’ll post one when I can sit down and take in the thread as a whole.

[Thestatusquo]

Herpa derp *towns about*

This post doesnt really fit into my idea of what town frogster looks like.