Micro 1063: Even-Odd Killers | Game Over

[Galron]

To call out a nothing post?

[Enchant]

and

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

So I don’t see the problem then?

Right. So why are you still voting me?

VOTE: 39rats

I don’t see why YOU had the problem with Tetra’s post. You never explained that and that’s why I’m voting you.

I kind of like ceejay's 49. At least the first genuine town pings I got this game. The Enchant vote supports it, although Enchant is rather pretty null to me, but I felt about it kind of similar.

This is true but it's an easy take.

Why is it easy?

Because I thought the same thing and it wasn't hard to arrive there.

Testarossa's post was completely NAI.

You are implying that I contradicted myself with that post. I made it clear that isn’t the case. I don’t understand how if you came to the same conclusion as Tetra that you had an issue with it. I generally don’t vote people who mindmelded with me.

@Galron, why are you not addressing this?

[MegAzumarill]

Meg, what I don't really understand is, that if you are town and you are leaning town on Galron, then basically both "major wagons" (if you can call it like that with 2-3 votes), where the game has been stagnating for a while now have been on town. Yet you are going solely for ceejay who has been off both wagons.

While it is not unlikely that scum stays off major D1 wagons I miss the interaction of you with players from both wagons. Like what do you think of the wagons? All town on town? Who might be scum there?

I'll look over this more in depth here

[MegAzumarill]

I don't really think my wagon was serious in any capacity. I mean scum could really go either way since its a light RVS thing. Galron wayon is a bit different

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant is a bit of a nothing right now. Why are you happy with your galron vote here?

Testarossa is honestly fine here on the wagon. Don't think theres much to day there.

Rats really seems caught up on something and it seems more a communication issue than anything else


I don't see the mafia stepping in here for action either way which prompts me to think they are content to sit off wagon here. If there is mafia on the galron wagon it's probably Enchant, but that feels like a guess at this point

[MegAzumarill]

So yeah I think the wagon is probably town on town with possibly SK in the mix

[ceejayvinoya]

probably town. idk, I'm no good at mafia:

imaginality, 39 Rats

don't feel like elimming these today:

Not_Mafia, Enchant, Testarossa

everybody else:

Gypyx, Meg, Galron

VOTE: Gypyx

@Gypyx what do you think about the game so far? any interesting reads?

tbh getting back into mafia is hard

i'm kinda curious what earns enchant the "let's not lim him" spot when i'm roughly following the same pattern as him right now (granted, i've got a gut feeling about enchant that i can't really find a way to explain rn so don't take that as me criticizing your vote)

otherwise, you / imaginality probably town, i think rats would be maf if they end up being scum due to how they reacted to their misundersteanding of the setup

You keep slightly asking stuff like opinions and reads but you don't really follow up on anything, except for your read on me.

I'm not sure how to explain this but the way Enchant posts seem to come from a town POV, or at least non mafia. Plus he's got 39 Rats vouching for him that this is just how he is early game.

[ceejayvinoya]

After looking at Testarossa's recent activity I don't think I want to lim them today but I don't know where to go.

Which one is your favorite Testarossa post? What do you like about it?

[ceejayvinoya]

After looking at Testarossa's recent activity I don't think I want to lim them today but I don't know where to go.

Which one is your favorite Testarossa post? What do you like about it?

@Galron also what do you think of Gypyx?

[ceejayvinoya]

probably town. idk, I'm no good at mafia:

imaginality, 39 Rats

don't feel like elimming these today:

Not_Mafia, Enchant, Testarossa

everybody else:

Gypyx, Meg, Galron

VOTE: Gypyx

@Gypyx what do you think about the game so far? any interesting reads?

tbh getting back into mafia is hard

i'm kinda curious what earns enchant the "let's not lim him" spot when i'm roughly following the same pattern as him right now (granted, i've got a gut feeling about enchant that i can't really find a way to explain rn so don't take that as me criticizing your vote)

otherwise, you / imaginality probably town, i think rats would be maf if they end up being scum due to how they reacted to their misundersteanding of the setup

Oh yeah. I almost forgot.

@Gypyx assuming 39 Rats is mafia do you think the Serial Killer getting eliminated early (as well as the absence of a kill on the first night) would help them?

[Kop]

For my shtick I'll go with dingbats.
This one's for ceejayvinoya:

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didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

SK specifically?

This sounds more like specifically a joke to me?

what kinda question is that really

Were you saying the question is a joke or the dingbat bit or both?

The dingbat was "eye on you" i.e. was telling ceejay I have my eye on them. I didn't much like how they unvoted me when you applied a touch of pressure to Testarossa for voting me.

The question, see the above post.

It's so bad that I thought it meant "you are below me" or something.

It's also interesting that you didn't like the unvote but I see it as slightly towny. Could be a bit of a reach but I don't see this as something mafia would note.

How is that towny or slightly towny? They saw you apply pressure to another slot and jumped off, I don't see that as towny, or even slightly towny.

[Kop]

VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

You saying it like i am good d2-4 elim. bruh

We just mean that it takes time to properly determine your alignment, and we don't think ceejay actually has anything on you.

Looking forward to them showing up to talk about it.

Well it's early into the game, I'd find it rather strange if someone had something almost near concrete on someone at this early stage of the game. Even if you've played with someone several times.

[Kop]

VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

It seems like you having prior experience with Enchant gives you an advantage into reading him, which is okay. That said...

Counterclaim Idiot

VOTE: Galron

This is his first post.

I am Jester

This is his second. I don't really like how it did not point out anything happening so far or really push anything or something.

Of course this could just be Standard Enchant Behavior and you're free to tell me more about this.

But there is only 60 or so posts in the game and a lot of that was RVS filled with a bunch of nothing. Yes there are things that could be pushed but nothing of note as stood out that much that looks out of the ordinary. So whether this is standard behavior from Enchant doesn't really spell out what alignment he could be.

[Kop]

didnt roll sk
whats even the point
VOTE: 39 Rats

Sounds like something an SK would say....
VOTE: MegAzumarill

SK specifically?

Of course.

Mafia would have said "didnt roll maf," and Town would have said "didnt roll town"

I don't think this is true.

What about N_M's claim?

You seem to have already worked out that that's RVS logic, but your implication of believing Not_Mafia's claim interests me. Why aren't you voting him if you believe him?

Who said that I believe the claim?

No one has said that you 100% believe the claim, but you trying to draw attention to the claim kind of spells that you have some thoughts on it.

I generally ignore any claims like that because it's RVS nothing is really serious. Out of all the games I've played I've only seen one person claim scum and actually flipped scum. I remember pushing that slot because of that, but town never backed me up and allowed him to continue on in the game, and then he got killed and flipped scum. But that is the only one occasion I've seen that happen. However N_M starts pretty much every game like that, so the probabilities outweigh logic.

I am aware that I have taken over the N_M slot.

[imaginality]

No one has said that you 100% believe the claim, but you trying to draw attention to the claim kind of spells that you have some thoughts on it.

This is a stretch (nothing about "What about Not_Mafia's claim?" implies "I believe Not_Mafia's claim") and makes me think you are just wanting to keep suspicion on Galron. Also in the exchange you quoted, 39 Rats said "your implication of believing Not_Mafia's claim interests me" so for you to say to Galron no one has said he believes the claim is plain wrong.

[imaginality]

Meg, what I don't really understand is, that if you are town and you are leaning town on Galron, then basically both "major wagons" (if you can call it like that with 2-3 votes), where the game has been stagnating for a while now have been on town. Yet you are going solely for ceejay who has been off both wagons.

While it is not unlikely that scum stays off major D1 wagons I miss the interaction of you with players from both wagons. Like what do you think of the wagons? All town on town? Who might be scum there?

Enchant is a bit of a nothing right now. Why are you happy with your galron vote here?

Testarossa is honestly fine here on the wagon. Don't think theres much to day there.

Rats really seems caught up on something and it seems more a communication issue than anything else


I don't see the mafia stepping in here for action either way which prompts me to think they are content to sit off wagon here. If there is mafia on the galron wagon it's probably Enchant, but that feels like a guess at this point

I like this post from Meg, shifts the dial for me a bit on Meg.

Ceejay and Testarossa are definite town leans for me.

I still think Galron vs 39 Rats is typical TvT confusion. If there is scum there it's 39 Rats but that seems an outside chance to me.

So I'm not interested in limming any of {Ceejay, Testa, Galron, Rats}.

Kop so far, and now Meg also, fall into my "worth keeping around to see what they contribute tomorrow" bucket. Not town leans but I feel confident to get a better read on them over time.

That leaves who... Enchant, Gypyx. They both seem like decent chances of being scum (either Mafia or SK).

Gut feel, if I had to say which one of the two seems to genuinely be more interested in solving... for me that's Enchant.

VOTE: Gypyx

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.06

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Elimination

Galron

(3): Enchant, Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat

Gypyx

(2): ceejayvinoya, imaginality

imaginality

(1): Gypyx

ceejayvinoya

(1): MegAzumarill

Kop

(1): Kop

39 Rats in a Trench Coat

(1): Galron

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-20 01:36:28).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive, 5 votes are required for Elimination.

[MegAzumarill]

"Deadline: 1 day, 14 hours, 39 minutes."
uhhhh
VOTE: Gypyx

I guess I'll consolidate on a wagon that can go through

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

I'll move to Gypyx to prevent a no lim, but she's pretty null for me, and I'd still rather we do Galron

[Enchant]

I am staying on Galron.

[ceejayvinoya]

same. VOTE: Galron

I want to see more from Gypyx so I voted him but this will do for now.

[Testarossa]

That's the thing. It was status quo. I had been scum reading him to that point, nothing happened and I still scum read him.

Hm, ok, I was assuming your vote was originally rvs. Although it doesn't really change that much for me, it still raises the question what made you scumread him to begin with. ceejay's first two posts look pretty null to me.

[Testarossa]

otherwise, you / imaginality probably town, i think rats would be maf if they end up being scum due to how they reacted to their misundersteanding of the setup

Actually what do you mean here? Who are you referring to with "they"? I am almost certain I am misunderstanding this part.

[Testarossa]

I am ultimately fine with staying on Galron. Gypyx and Kop might be alternatives for me. Gypyx more because I have no clue what to do with that slot though.

My first impression of Kop is rather negative. However maybe I need to give that one a bit time and see where he stands yet.

Not too convinced about Meg yet. I have been wondering how difficult it might be for scum to fake some suspicions so far, since almost everyone has problems with coming up with a decent vote and Meg's ceejay vote kind of fits the bill imo. Just didn't felt that believable like imaginality's early Meg vote in comparision. But I liked their response to my question. It didn't felt bullshitty to me at least.