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[Thestatusquo]

How was his play re:defeatism that we see here?

[Ausuka]

not really defeatist

although they claimed a fairly strong pr in that game iirc? so asking to be eliminated would be Weird

[GuiltyLion]

I'm back and around. I've been rereading D1 since last night and will continue to do so today. I'm mainly hunting for anything that absolutely pushes me away from a scum!fire explanation

[Ausuka]

wow that's dedication i feel like you'd have to pay me to reread d1 in full

(although if fire is town i might end up doing that anyway, at least for parts of it lole)

[GuiltyLion]

skitter you missed it, lately ive been burnt out and haven't cared much about early game of games as town

ty for the context, that explains a bit more how vp is approaching this, i was thinking u feel p similar to the last few games i have played with you

did i play a game with scum-you? i'm not remembering offhand

skitter you missed it, lately ive been burnt out and haven't cared much about early game of games as town

ty for the context, that explains a bit more how vp is approaching this, i was thinking u feel p similar to the last few games i have played with you

did i play a game with scum-you? i'm not remembering offhand

i think you specced at least some of invictus

Don't get me wrong, I'm largely skimming past all the posts from dead townies unless it's direct conversation with fire or other living players. Mostly focusing on flipped scum and how fire is interacting with them and the gamestate

[GuiltyLion]

Whoops, had those quoted but decided not to post anything lol, then they got wrapped up in quick post. So far that's been the most interesting thing I've found in the first like 15 pages, but it doesn't stand out to me as antipartnery hence why I wasn't gonna highlight it lol

[Ausuka]

i feel like those posts are like... idk i have no feelings about them

[GuiltyLion]

The main thing I was thinking was it's interesting skitter just kinda takes fire at his word regarding his meta and early games. But that could either be pocketing or theater ultimately so yeah, not really useful. I wanted to say it was maybe slightly antipartnery but then figured skitter may be equally likely to put up more of a fight/push on fire in the town!fire world

[Dannflor]

I think I've like

done all the sorting I can do for today

unless someone comes up with some particularly damning evidence one way or another or fire town cases himself real good

I'm just gonna keep seeing what I'm seeing

[GuiltyLion]

Dats dear, I think if you just take the extra attention as a positive because all your friends here are thinking about you, maybe you will feel happier and loved. <3.

Please do feel the love Datisi <3

until I vig you at least

why vig him when you could vig firebringer or xofelf.

It's random and unimportant but I kinda feel like this post should lock Titus as town. This seems pretty clearly the even night vig trying to suggest shots to who he thinks might be the odd night vig

Also first 20something pages reminded me how visibly unpartnered Ausuka and VPB are. Fire also has some dodgy posts attempting to sow doubt on Ausukas VPB suspicion

[Ausuka]

Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~

This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes

dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better

well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.

Why bring it up if it's NAI?

wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once

This reminds me that this post was one of the reasons I was townreading Shea

I am aware scum bus but idk at the time it felt like this was super validating to me and it feels like he's screwing over baltar in the argument in a way he really doesn't need to

[Ausuka]

I guess I could see why someone might like, have the thought and press me on the read. But I just don't feel like he's engaging with me genuinely here about this?

I feel the same, though I'm wishy washy on if it makes VPB scum or not

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ausuka

oh there he goes

making the first move

wow they tied the knot

HEM I still don't really understand what these posts are meant to say am I just being stupid or

Pretty sure those are just continued jokes about you and vpb having (implied romantic) tension

Ugh actually this post is sort of bad in the same way fire's was

[Ausuka]

I guess I'll just ask relly to explain the po-

Oh wait

[GuiltyLion]

Uh oh I'm getting to fireisreds Eiralox push and I am remembering that I liked that push a lot. Namely because fireisred had already checked Eiralox meta and had a specific type of reaction he was hunting for. I think scum is notably less likely to check a townies meta in hopes that they will find "different" behavior in a game where they know that townie is town again

Especially since it wasn't post hoc or anything

[Dannflor]

check fire's push on andres in the Datisi's Cafe game that just finished, GL

[GuiltyLion]

I've decided Datisi is scum but we should let him live because he's cool

Datisi I'm putting you in the penalty box, you're gonna need to start wowing me with some better reads to get out

GL is top town read.

what do you think of Irrellephant, VPB

Can you do me a favor and link a starting point

[Dannflor]

eh I guess it's not the same situation, I misremembered

fire did some meta research but it wasn't exactly the same and not unprompted

[Dannflor]

I'm not sure it's relevant anymore, I will if I find anything

[fireisredsir]

I am *dreading* this game going another phase. I am dreading winding up in a LyLo and having to defend myself as a deepwolf. I'm dreading the pressure of having to either figure out who the scum is and/or defend myself sufficiently. I am scared about this game.

And that's why I really can't relate to fire here and why I think he's scum. I don't sense any sort of like... urgency to solve the game. Like yeah, he pushed on DV when prompted but it's like, if I was in his position my first instinct would be like WAIT DON'T KILL ME I'M AT LEAST GONNA SOLVE THE GAME BEFORE I DIE

and he's like "I can try to solve the game I guess if you guys want but probably don't trust me"

I don't know maybe I'm too prideful or something and that's why I can't relate. But long story short I really want the game to end this phase and I currently feel very confident on fire. I don't know if that's actually helpful for anyone's paranoia of me but w/e

i think part of it is bc you're in a v different position than me here. im very much dreading going to another phase as well but in a slightly different way

like the possible options fmpov are:

1) we lim scum correctly today. awesome. we did it. go team

2) we lim me today. okay. kinda unfortunate but hopefully the game is easier to solve now for the people who are left. now they can look at what ive said without any concern that it's scumposting and see if they agree with my conclusions or maybe they come up with a new one that's better

3) we lim town today. awful, i was wrong again, and now i have to go through of another day of people deciding whether they want to kill me or not and having their perspectives warped by me being in the game. and i probably end up dying anyway so like what did we gain here, and by the time im gone we're in 3p elo and it's too late for town to like work together and solve stuff

[fireisredsir]

ok now datisi's cafe is over i just want to say like

fire being all "if i was scum i'd definitely win here" just feels like... performative and untrue?

like i haven't seen the scum pt in that game but it seems similar in that scum were backed into a corner, he was under suspicion, and he did not in fact win or come close to winning in that game

it's a very different gamestate and set of players

this one i would love being scum in and imo it plays to my strengths

the other one was the opposite. it was like an almost mechanically solved game with a confident town and nobody that i could really talk to that easily. this is a town who has like kinda run out of stamina in a huge game and it's pure dayplay and almost everyone here is someonene i can talk to. this is like the dream scenario

its not that important tho idr even why i thought that was relevant lol

[fireisredsir]

ik this is not a useful thing to say atp but im reading my iso to see if i can towncase myself and idk y'all are right this is kinda scummy

[fireisredsir]

oh also to be clear i def do not townread dann for efforting. in a vacuum the bit that GL said about "trying the hardest out of any of us" is like slightly +scum here imo

it's more about the way that he's approaching things. ig it's easier to fake once you're the last scum left, but i just believe that he genuinely feels the things behind what he's posting

and i think on my reread that feeling carried through for p much all game

[fireisredsir]

idk maybe some amount of paranoia is healthy

[fireisredsir]

dannflor
- hem has a lot of posts on day 1 that were shitpushing dannflor, to the point where they do not look s/s and where dann might just be clear off hem flip alone (1133, 1177, 1206, 1578, 1585, 1588, 1693, 2335, 2337, 2348 quickly turned into 2397) (s)
- prior to the vc in 4314, which had s/s gamma/hem wagons, he voted gamma. scum is less likely to vote the lesser scum wagon in this scenario (same as deasvail) (s)
- 987 and 1144 don't feel like s/s (d)
- 1438 feels opportunistic and not s/s (d)

nah some of these are good reasons, like the hem push

if dann is scum im v impressed by his composure to not follow ausuka onto me after she dropped her case, and heading onto MT instead

like that's still a good reason to townread bc that alone was basically what killed MT

he'd have to be thinking way way ahead, which is possible, but impressive

[fireisredsir]

snap voting me when i voted him way back felt really real as well

i think of everyone i would probably be most impressed by dann if he flipped scum

prob GL second he's played really well and i feel a little bad that im considering him as a possibility