Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[MMR]

I feel like RR and Bunny haven't interacted that much that could point to them being partnered.

That's

exactly

why they ARE (likely) partnered.

No seriously.

This is a multiball game.

"haven't interacted that much in ways that can point to them being partnered" is exactly what scum in multiball strive for.

Individually, I think both have decent odds for being scum;
Neither of them look like they're not scum with the other;
With neither as being a particular point of pressure, that kind of interaction suggests both scum together. Bunnyonce's vote on RR is fairly halfhearted especially given the wagon on me and no real effort from Bunnyonce to dismantle it. So the RR vote is fairly performative. Bunnyonce wasn't voting RR while there was a more competitive gamestate with multiple wagons, when RR votes had a chance to gain traction. Bunnyonce's vote on RR happened only after my elimination gained enough momentum to become almost an inevitabilitBree.

I see.
I think that I get it now.

Because to an outsider perspective, T-Bone's hop-on looks "weak", and "opportunistic".

I feel like you're one of the first people to describe his vote as this.

Sure, because it wouldn't happen on D1.

It'd happen in the D3-D6 range, thereabouts. Someone would go back to the mastina mislim, note T-Bone's presence there, compare that to others, and think those things, with the time removing the clarity from the wagon I have now.

Currently nobody might say that, but down the line they would.

I see, though why would people want to do this?
It feels pretty obvscum to me to deliberately return to a Day 1 wagon to get T-Bone eliminated over voting you.
Also, would you say that scum would be more likely to attempt that?
-Rubella

[Bunnyonce]

I feel like RR and Bunny haven't interacted that much that could point to them being partnered.

That's

exactly

why they ARE (likely) partnered.

No seriously.

This is a multiball game.

"haven't interacted that much in ways that can point to them being partnered" is exactly what scum in multiball strive for.

Individually, I think both have decent odds for being scum;
Neither of them look like they're not scum with the other;
With neither as being a particular point of pressure, that kind of interaction suggests both scum together. Bunnyonce's vote on RR is fairly halfhearted especially given the wagon on me and no real effort from Bunnyonce to dismantle it. So the RR vote is fairly performative. Bunnyonce wasn't voting RR while there was a more competitive gamestate with multiple wagons, when RR votes had a chance to gain traction. Bunnyonce's vote on RR happened only after my elimination gained enough momentum to become almost an inevitabilitBree.

If we are scum with

Radical Rat

then what is the purpose of our vote? Not even my hydra partner is fully sold on the approach that I took earlier. But

Radical Rat

has been surprisingly idle this game. Just like

furtiveglance

, who started posting after getting some pressure.

If we are scum, why wouldn't we want to yeet you out of the game instead? At this stage of the game more attention is given to the players who are not voting you rather than your wagon. As scum we have little to gain by defending you, I just really believe that this matches your town meta. Aisa might be townreading you less than I am, but you're probably a townlean for her at least.

~Greeting

[MMR]

By the way, why is Bunny in the same tier as RR in your readslist?

Because both are likely scum, and probably partnered at that.

@Bunny
What do you have to say about this?
-Rubella

I did read

mastina

's reasons for suspecting our slot and I think it has more to do with me than Aisa.

Mastina

seems to believe that scum me likes to play it safe and reserved, which isn't necessarily true. It's not as easy to predict my alignment. In my last scumgame, which I lost, I went for a rather proactive approach (Newbie 2100). I am more reserved in this game than usual, because a) work; b) very high volume of posts. Nonetheless, I do talk with my hydra partner daily and we exchange info on the gamestate all the time, so sometimes we speak for one another.

I still think that town!

mastina

could have gotten that meta read and it doesn't look contrived for the purpose of shading our slot.

~Greeting

I see.
I do remember your scumgame as being pretty proactive, but I think that you're usually proactive in general, so that's NAI.

If I ever host a Theme game, I am doing post caps.

For the record, that wouldn't actually impact me.

I have less posts than you would assume. T-Bone literally has more than me. 6/16 players have higher post counts than me. I'm literally only the seventh-most-active poster in the game.

I just always SEEM like the most active poster because I'm like a signal boost for activity in games.

Every game I am in causes the actual top posters to post more, and there's a night and day difference in posting activity between pre-mastina-death and post-mastina-death; activity drops off a cliff after I die because I am a source of activity in spite of it not being reflected in post count.

That's one of the reasons I like being mastina normally. That's the mastina affect. mastina's approach makes people be forced to be more active, basically. I just can't keep being her right now.

I agree with this.
I feel like Math's posting increased after your initial interactions with him.
(By the way, is it NAI for him to do this?)
-Rubella

[MMR]

If we are scum, why wouldn't we want to yeet you out of the game instead? At this stage of the game more attention is given to the players who are not voting you rather than your wagon. As scum we have little to gain by defending you, I just really believe that this matches your town meta. Aisa might be townreading you less than I am, but you're probably a townlean for her at least.

I agree.
By the way, what do you define as mastina's town meta? Based off my skim-through, it seems that people have somewhat different interpretations of what town!mastina is supposed to look like.
-Rubella

[mastina]

I see, though why would people want to do this?

Have you played in a mafia game's midgame?

People don't necessarily

want

to do it, they just DO it. In the midgame. At a time people are beginning to look back at the earlier sections of the game to try and improve the town's fortunes, either clutching a win or staving off a defeat. In the midgame, there is enough distance from the original events to forget current feelings on the subject, and to forget the context around a situation, and to make it easier to accidentally take things out of context and view them too hard in isolation, which makes nuances to situations become harder to detect.

Lack of nuance, lack of accuracy in reading T-Bone's alignment, because to read T-Bone as town from his push on me requires a LOT of nuance. Nuance lost in the midgame thanks to distance from D1.

Also, would you say that scum would be more likely to attempt that?

Situationally? Sure. But in general it's usually town.

Town players in the midgame go back to review the earlier sections of the game.

D1 is currently the current game, but during the midgame, D1 will be "the earlier sections".
So in the midgame, they will go back and look.

It's not like players are immediately on D2 going to instantly gun for T-Bone--of course they wouldn't. D2 has D1 still fresh in their minds. They wouldn't have forgotten the nuances yet. But come ~D4 or so, and with how goldfish town players' memories are, yeah, they'll have forgotten the nuances behind T-Bone town. And it's at

that

point they'd see it as opportunistic and weak. Even though it's neither.

[mastina]

If we are scum, why wouldn't we want to yeet you out of the game instead?

All it'd take is you doubting that we'll flip town for you to want to avoid being on the wagon, especially considering RR is already on there.

Scum piling onto a mislim tends to reflect poorly on the scum after the mislim flips.

You not being on my wagon doesn't mean my wagon won't go through.

[Maid Cafe]

I cannot believe the amount of nonsense I had to go through reading. Unironically it was basically a dick-measuring contest on if you're biased or not and newsflash most people in the conversation were. Like, this is why mastina is going over in my mind because all of this nonsense that is 100% useless and only helping wolves with clogging up the thread? Needs to go. Needs to be done with. Have your little I told you so talk with whatever she flips and move on.

In game related content Bunny is getting worse due to recent comments

[mastina]

(By the way, is it NAI for him to do this?)

Oh certainly!

There's basically five MathBlade models.

1: MathBlade is scum, and tries to convince me he is town. This is the least-common of the five, which is ironic, because it's the most effective at deceiving me. But as scum, MathBlade genuinely doesn't think to do this most of the time. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
2: MathBlade is town, and tries to convince me he is town. When this happens, I tend to think it's the first model, which is ironic because the first model is something he almost never does. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
3: MathBlade is town, and is convinced I am scum. He becomes irrationally certain of it and will not budge.
4: MathBlade is scum, and panics at my suspicion on him.
5: MathBlade is scum, and pretends to be the third model--he knows how irrational his town self is, so he plays into the bit, exaggerating it slightly and embracing the push.
(4 and 5 tend to go hand-in-hand, but are not fully one and the same.)

Objectively I realize the third has a quite high likelihood of being true.
But like--by gut, I feel like the fifth is the actual truth because it

feels

like MathBlade is exaggerating.

Yes, I know that anything "MathBlade surely couldn't think this as town", actually MathBlade can.
But it's like--it's not so much that MathBlade can't think those things, so much as it is, I feel like a town MathBlade wouldn't.
That there's a chance he did, but everything he does is just that: a chance of being MathBlade-town, but feeling statistically unlikely.

The statistical unlikelies pile up.

Say something was 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 35% from MB town.
A different thing is 45% from MB town.

Those begin to add up and create a world where in order for MB to be town, you have to believe that MathBlade did them

all

as town, rather than just one or two.

And those things are quite numerous. MathBlade's posts feel like he's aware of his meta's worse aspects and deliberately exaggerating them for the towncred and to get away with being anti-town. That he's aware he could do all the things he is doing as town, so is doing them, even though if he were town he wouldn't actually be doing them.

That's what he feels like.

[Enchant]

Wait there's 5 mathblades in game?

[Yume]

I cannot believe the amount of nonsense I had to go through reading. Unironically it was basically a dick-measuring contest on if you're biased or not and newsflash most people in the conversation were. Like, this is why mastina is going over in my mind because all of this nonsense that is 100% useless and only helping wolves with clogging up the thread? Needs to go. Needs to be done with. Have your little I told you so talk with whatever she flips and move on.

In game related content Bunny is getting worse due to recent comments

See. you're asking us to lim our townread, and I would rather lim scum.

[Yume]

If mastina mislim is unavoidable, I will vote there, but until then, I will not budge.

[Yume]

Like, there is only one player I will believe when they say mastina is scum, and none of the current players in this game are that player. Yes, mastina isn't either, because I am aware of the fact that she can pocket me.

[Yume]

Like, there is only one player I will believe when they say mastina is scum, and none of the current players in this game are that player. Yes, mastina isn't either, because I am aware of the fact that she can pocket me.

Which is why I wanted to check her to be sure.

[Enchant]

Yume, you already confirmed liar.

Why listen to you?

[Yume]

Yume, you already confirmed liar.

Why listen to you?

Don't listen to me. Listen to four other players who also say mastina is town.

[Enchant]

Why you lied?

[Yume]

Why you lied?

About what?

[Yume]

About the check? I never did. People just assumed it was a cop check.

[Yume]

There is only three ways to convince me mastina is scum

1. Be jjh
2. Let me check
3. Lim her (Not the one I'd prefer, but it's there.)

[Frozen Angel]

tell me why you think I'm scum without using the words 100% and 90% or meta

Well it is, but it's also where you've pushed and how you've pushed them. Separate from meta I find your worldview on this game to be that of a scum player.

Granted your meta says said worldview is your scum meta, but even disregarding meta your worldview just looks like scum. Everywhere you are focusing, everywhere you are pushing, it just doesn't look town and does look scum.

my world view is in line with Iraina people who are chanting "women life freedom" in streets nowdays, but not sure how is that relevant to the game. if you mean my reads, why would you think even if I was scum I wouldn't be genuinely solving in this game that is confirmed multiball? My reads are genuine regardless of my alignment so why are you having that in mind for making reads on other players and purposefully ignoring it when you're talking about me? My main concern on your slot is how you're ignoring how my day/night different meta in your opinion would be applicable in a multiball game when you've done the most setup specs (maybe not most and same amount as I did) so far so you should be knowing that

and if you're talking about my other reads I need you to be more specific

@mastina did you miss this post?

[Enchant]

About the check? I never did. People just assumed it was a cop check.

You said you can check 2 people.
Afterwards you denied it, saying you can only check mastina.

[Yume]

About the check? I never did. People just assumed it was a cop check.

You said you can check 2 people.
Afterwards you denied it, saying you can only check mastina.

Nope, still can check 2 people. Those 2 people may change depending on how the gamestate goes.

[Yume]

Like, if you actually want to lim scum today, join me on Math.

[Yume]

I, however, do wish that jjh would replace in, so I can go back to the sidelines. Trying to reason with you gives me a headache.

[Enchant]

About the check? I never did. People just assumed it was a cop check.

You said you can check 2 people.
Afterwards you denied it, saying you can only check mastina.

Nope, still can check 2 people. Those 2 people may change depending on how the gamestate goes.

So it's not "I can discover if Mastina is town" it's "I have 2-Shot ability which i want to waste on mastina to discover what i know already, so i can be disbelieved anyway because it looks like obv fakeclaim to save mastina".

I don't know what i should mock, there's so much.