Micro 1063: Even-Odd Killers | Game Over

[Testarossa]

We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

@RR why can’t Gypyx be mafia?

Huh?

However, it’s also possible that Gypyx could be Galron buddy offwagon.

I was actually just confused why you were asking yourself why Gypyx can't be Mafia when you just voted her. I guess it wasn't the other hydra head then who voted, nevermind.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

We'd thought that if you were Galron's buddy, you'd have either not hammered or not defended him as explicitly as you did.

However, Kop was the only other one who made sense as a buddy, so I have to have been wrong on you.

@RR why can’t Gypyx be mafia?

Huh?

However, it’s also possible that Gypyx could be Galron buddy offwagon.

I was actually just confused why you were asking yourself why Gypyx can't be Mafia when you just voted her. I guess it wasn't the other hydra head then who voted, nevermind.

I am also confused as to why Nancy felt the need to post here instead of just asking me directly, but the answer is Gypyx COULD be, but I think Meg has a positive associative while Gypyx seems more unaligned.

Though I'm fine with the Gypyx vote, order's not terribly important here

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

On one hand, signing would help with these situations...

On the other hand, I think part of the fun of being a hydra is the blending, and signing negates that somewhat.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

On one hand, signing would help with these situations...

On the other hand, I think part of the fun of being a hydra is the blending, and signing negates that somewhat.

I usually forget anyway, so I usually don’t bother unless either people complain about it or it’s part of some gimmick.

[Enchant]

Can Cop claim already?

[Testarossa]

Tbh I am kind of back at Megscum.

While I assumed a bus was unlikely due to the nature of this setup, it would consequently mean that the second scum will take stronger stances to support their partner, which would just point to Meg. When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras.

Their D2 wasn't that exciting either, just going with the flow, not much scumhunting. It's also a bit weird, that they didn't really bothered much with Gypyx considering they were happy enough to compromise on her over Galron on D1.

[Testarossa]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Going to reread the game in the evening. I feel a bit uncomfortable that I am just looking at it with a fixed mind.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Can Cop claim already?

No, absolutely not, that’s a terrible idea!

Cop should only claim in the event of an actual result. Wtf are you even thinking with this? *smdh*

[MegAzumarill]

I mean SK cant really afford to kill cop tonight but they still shouldnt claim unless need be

[ceejayvinoya]

I mean SK cant really afford to kill cop tonight but they still shouldnt claim unless need be

Why not? Aren't they likely bulletproof anyway?

[Enchant]

Can Cop claim already?

No, absolutely not, that’s a terrible idea!

Cop should only claim in the event of an actual result. Wtf are you even thinking with this? *smdh*

Okay, i explain.

1. We are in MYLO. If we elim town, we lose in case SK attacking town. And SK will not attack mafia, because see down.
2. I don't want to teach scum, but they probably realise this anyway.
Mafia in most situtations attacked SK (unless mafia didn't apply action at all somehow), because I don't see any logical point to skip kill. Therefore, SK picked bulletproof, and can be catched via Cop. Now question: Will SK hunt mafia, just to lose to Cop with 2-3 checks at 4 people day? Selfanswering.
3. Day will turn in shitfest anyway.
If we push VT today, he will claim so. We either elim him to lose, or keep alive. Which again gives tip where Cop sits.
If we push scum, it depends, (considering i post this), either VT or Cop (to start 1vs1 shitfest with CC of Cop).
If we push Cop OR Cop innocent check, Cop will be forced to claim. Afterwards, scum counterclaim him. 1vs1 again.


In most outcomes, if Cop doesn't claim, it turns in 1vs1 between Cop and scum anyway. And most likely, with big chunk of deadline wasted.
It's so fun to deduce real Cop at last 2 days,

right

?
Nevermind that if SOMEHOW we elim scum without cop claiming, remaining scum plainly can try to kill him and we receive nothing if success.
So it's not worth it hiding.

Now about results:
Cop checked 2 people. He knows HALF of living players alignments. It's just enough to win almost instantly.
Unless he checked Imaginality n1. Then... Well. 1 check still check.
I don't believe in checked Kop, as there's no one protecting him. So therefore there must be one living check.


So.
Do you still think it's terrible idea and massclaim should't happen?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

No. Cop claims when it's relevant.

It's true that we're in pseudo-MeLo, contingent on who SK targets. However, the cop can still claim if one of their inno results is put in danger of elimination, or if they have a guilty. If neither of those things happen, all claiming does is get the Cop killed.

[Enchant]

I have dejavu

[MegAzumarill]

Pre-Game, the Serial Killer chooses between Investigation Immunity (Shows up as Town to investigation) or

One-Shot

Bulletproof

[MegAzumarill]

Sk loses if mafia get a chance to kill

[MegAzumarill]

Ergo would SK aim at mafia knowing if they dont die they always lose n3? Probably

Additionally in the world where scum no kill and sk is not bp, they still hunt mafia since cop immunity

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Also I do not think your whole 1v1 shitfest is actually going to happen.

If it does, whichever scum tries it, loses. Guaranteed. Either they lose the 1v1, or real Cop flips and they get killed the next day.

And remember how I said D1 you're secretly one of the better players on site? I think you know better than this, and just want to know who you need to kill tonight.

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

Either they lose the 1v1, or real Cop flips and they get killed the next day.

How they are killed?

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Elimination.

Next day either has 2 Town/2 Scum or 3 Town/1 Scum. In either case, everyone who ISN'T the fakeclaimer is going to be voting the fakeclaimer. And then they die.

But you already knew that.

[Enchant]

If it's 2 town, 2 scum, then we lose if we vote out scum. Other plainly shots town to win.

It's kingmaker. And we can't just "no lim" and hope they shot each other, because they won't. But i don't give more insight on it, because in this case we lost anyway.


If it's 3 town/1 scum, we still have 1-2 checks living. Again, scum will avoid this situation, as it gives them too little chances.

And it's winnable. Very easily.


I don't understand what you trying to sell me, but i can assure, i thought about everything before speaking, and it's fucking infuriating you don't learn on mistakes.

[Enchant]

I want to add, i never claimed to be good player (unless for meme), but i believe Cop claiming will help us (and i already provided reasonings why) win.

If you call me better player, yet sceptically examine everything i say, then ammount of worth you put in your words are zero.

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 3.01

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Elimination

MegAzumarill

(1): Testarossa

Enchant

(1): 39 Rats in a Trench Coat

Not Voting

(4): Enchant, Gypyx, ceejayvinoya, MegAzumarill

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-11-06 18:04:04).

Mod notes:

With 6 alive, 4 votes are required for elimination.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

You never claimed to be a good player, but you always have been from what I've seen. At least when you want to be.

You know as well as I do that the best way for scum to win is not by taking a 50/50 counterclaim that leads to either immediate death or banking on kingmaker that may not actually happen. It's by outing and killing the cop before they get caught, just as you're trying to do now.

You suggesting that, and putting it in a big serious looking wall? That's not Town!you.

[39 Rats in a Trench Coat]

Cop will claim when it is relevant. To do so sooner is gamethrowing.

[Enchant]

Cop will claim when it is relevant. To do so sooner is gamethrowing.

You yourself say that scum will not CC cop (DUE IT BEING INSTADEATH/BANKING ON KINGMAKER). So it will result in Cop being confirmed innocent. With checks being also innocent. IT LITERALLY CONFIRMS HALF OF GAME AS TOWN, LEAVING US WITH 4-3 OPTIONS WHERE ALL SCUM HIDE.
Instead, let's risk so... We get something. What exactly, another check? No point lol, if we elim scum, another scum will just aim at Cop at night, and if fail, open with Cop claim and it STILL will be 1vs1 bullshit idiocy. So literally... Nothing changes. Literally nothing. Except that we could had avoided it at first place.

Fuck this idiocy, i am not in mood.
I can't force you sadly.


I am off, i am playing other games. Will think who i want to vote today.
Don't fucking care.