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[Aisa]

Above the Line
Firebringer
Frog
Grib
Bellaphant
The Line-------Eiralox, NM, Enchant, Firth, TSQ, BBT
HighPrincess
Aisa
Below the Line

I was going to scum case Elements but I think they're reads are tracking. It's interesting that they chose to put Bella above null. I was feeling that earlier but I couldn't really rationalize it.

Town leans:
Fire
Grib
Aisa
Elements

Huh, the nice thing about rereading is that there’s actually lots of skippable stuff. I’m up to page 20, not because I read every single word but because a lot of it is people I believe to be town talking to each other.

Anyway, he “felt” Bella was above null? Don’t know if I buy that.

There’s also some stuff in his iso that gives me pause though, definitely a strong day 1 showing if he’s scum.

[Aisa]

If we elim Frog and he flips scum, have a look at the sequence of posts here, I kinda want to say he is not partners with Enchant
viewtopic.php?p=13531561#p13531561

[Aisa]

VOTE: Frogsterking
I think this is E-2 but I haven’t checked very carefully.
I read to page, like, 45.

- Some of Frog’s posting is pretty ok, but none of it makes me sure that Frog must be town.
- The recent push on Elements… I don’t know. The justification he gives isn’t bad, but for some reason I don’t believe that he believes that elements is scum. Some of his recent reads, like when he’s suspected me and Elements, have felt like he’s a leaf in the wind. He sees one or two scummy posts and immediately convinces himself the author is scum. That doesn’t really track with the general direction this game is taking.

I still wouldn’t put Bella at anything above a slight townlean actually, but her reads and reactions are a lot more like what I would expect from a random villager throughout the game.

Is it to early to ask frog to claim?

I don’t think it is too early to be explicit about him being pretty likely to die today. Now he knows and there’s no excuse for not showing up and claiming when the time comes.

There’s also the fact we may not believe him, as Grib says, but I think there may still be some value to a claim.

[Enchant]

Why i have bad feeling

[Elements]

it is E-2

[Elements]

Why i have bad feeling

Is it because you know Frog is going to flip town?

[Enchant]

Why i have bad feeling

Is it because you know Frog is going to flip town?

Not really sure.

[Aisa]

Why i have bad feeling

Talk!

[Aisa]

Ah oops sorry.
I get the spookies sometimes, too, but I think I won't let your spookies make me second guess my read this time.

[Grib]

Ok, I’ll say it. Frog is strategically lurking. I’ve never played with him before but his personality type doesn’t really mesh with “give up” as a villager.

[Grib]

Spoiler: Frog meta

Okay, now you feel almost too scummy to be scum.

Will you tell me about your playstyle? How you tend to handle the early- mid-, and late-game? Why do people who don't know you typically scumread you, and if someone had experience with you, what would they think of your posts so far?

Sorry for the rapid-fire questions, but you intrigue me.

Aside from the questions these are all the usual beats of a townie trying really hard to sort my slot. I've been described as too-scummy-to-be-scum sounding a lot. Like, a lot.

For your questions, I have very good reads early and hit scum D1 a lot. I mostly ask questions, set up a PoE and analyze isos. So my early play is very competent. Actually, I think my early game is very good.

The problem is that other than that I tend to play pretty bad.

I'd describe my mid game (or even immediately after setting up a PoE) play as: I freak out and go on tilt and throw the game.

I think my endgame play is messy too because I can figure out who did it by then but my tilt/paranoia/tinfoil are bad for closing out games.

My adaptation recently has been to try and play to my strengths and call multiple scum D1 and push one of them through so I get killed N1 and aren't around to throw the game later.

As for why I think I'm constantly scum read by tone, I have a theory that people who are introverted (low happiness, low assertiveness), neurotic (in my case anxious, angry, vulnerable) and very disagreeable (competitive, suspicious of others) are likely to be scum read by tone when Town. I mostly believe this because I realized that other players who have a similar temperament are frequently getting pushed as scum by strangers in their games as well.

Now with that said, what about you, Grib? What is your playstyle like in the early, mid and late game, and do you often get scum read for your tone as Town?

There is a very obvious lack of tilt here, or passion, or urgency. If Frog is town here.

[Grib]

Oops.

I was gonna say “if Frog is town here, I’m slapping my next vote on NM and calling it a day” but that seemed too bitchy so I backspaced. Didn’t backspace far enough.

[Grib]

Anyway, he knows there’s no world where we kill anyone -he- wants us to kill this phase. So he’s eliminating any further incriminating interactions.

In my opinion.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm ready

[Enchant]

Ready as well.

[Frogsterking]

Ok, I’ll say it. Frog is strategically lurking. I’ve never played with him before but his personality type doesn’t really mesh with “give up” as a villager.

You can't think of any of other reason I might have played this way other than rolling scum?

[Frogsterking]

I'm ready

Ready as well.

Yall should vote Elements

[Frogsterking]

Why i have bad feeling

Is it because you know Frog is going to flip town?

^^

[Frogsterking]

I'm awake by the way

[Frogsterking]

This is the first time I’ve seen someone towntell so massively and obviously on Day 3, at least imo. I guess miracles can happen!

?

I’m talking about Elements. I think their recent posting makes them Town.

...how??

[Frogsterking]

Once we kill the second mafia I’m not opposed to kicking NM out of the game next.

Are you opposed to kicking nm out the game before the second mafia and if so why?

Is it to early to ask frog to claim?

This is role phishing

[Frogsterking]

Firebringer died last night. He was a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

@everyone townreading Elements for D3

I'm assuming that the Fire kill was a failed TPR hunt. If anyone wants to challenge me on that claim then come at me. With that in mind, what do you think Elements is trying to accomplish on page 61 with this series of questions:

@Frog, where are your reads at with Aisa and Bella after the last couple of flips?

I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.

Is it time for you to say them yet?

any reason for NM over Frog?

Once we kill the second mafia I’m not opposed to kicking NM out of the game next.

Are you opposed to kicking nm out the game before the second mafia and if so why?

Is it to early to ask frog to claim?

I'm not saying that any of you are stupid for not noticing this because IIRC I was one of the first to trust Elements on D1. I didn't find much reason to suspect Elements on D1 but I'm

high

certainty that Elements is scum based on their D2 and D3 play. On D2 Elements is the best candidate to be a/the busser on BBT and on D3 Elements is trying to narrow down an investigative TPR. For example, in 1518 Elements is trying to figure out whether Grib specifically has an

inno

on NM. That is like...the only point to that question and I don't think that it can be Town motivated.

I can also say that I'm pretty sure (maybe

moderate

certainty) there is a scum roleblocker and I'm

low

certainty that Elements is the scum roleblocker.

[Frogsterking]

@frog, what is your position on Aisa after the recent deaths?

This isn't the post I was looking for, but this is probing to see if I have an inno on Aisa.

[Frogsterking]

TSQ what do you think about a BBT, Aisa, SF scum team?

Also not what I was looking for, but I expect with Titus' rule of 3 principle (scum like to include one buddy in a list of 3 FoS) this post helps indicate town!Aisa.

[Frogsterking]

Scumreading me doesn't need explaination. I am lurk
Townreading me doesn't need explaination. I am charismatic

Putting me in top townread and top scumread does. Funnily, mostly scum doing that.


Anyway vote Aisa pls, if she is mafia, i claim credit for that, if she is not, i blame you all for being fools and following me.

It's literally win-win.

Congrats enchant, you're my biggest town read