Community

[Herta]

Marci is town.

[Frogsterking]

scum don't need to pretend to be scumhunting this game

Huh? What do you know that I dont

Setup

General Information

• This is a Large Theme themed around a group of militants and a government operative.
  
• The
  Residents
  are the uninformed majority and the
  Delegation
  is the informed minority.
  
• There is a
  Government
  operative who is
  Antisocial
  . If they win, all other players will lose.
  
• The setup does not meet
  Normal Guidelines
  but has no
  Bastard
  elements.
  
• Multitasking
  and
  Daytalk
  is enabled by default.

Probably this?

[Frogsterking]

Smart penguin.
Would be funny if two people come to replace him.

Buttering up maybe.

[Flavia]

This feels like you misunderstood. My point was that the mafia would be

more

cognizant of the existence of the 3rd party, while StarPower's post reads like someone who was not thinking about the existence of a 3rd party.

Therefore, town being the most likely alignment to make such a post.

Not the basis for a strong read, but as far as page 1 posts go, it is nice to have an inkling on someone

~Luke

OK, I see where you come from.

The difference between DeasVail and the people who have been posting but not DeasVail is two things.

1. The fact that DeasVail posted about his inability to solve. This shows that DeasVail is scum concerned whether people believe he is solving or not. Statistically this has proven to be a weak but >rand tell.

2. The content of his post. He says that he’s trying to make posts AI in his head, but can’t. Scum when out of ideas tries to do exactly that: look at posts and see if they follow a list of common tells, rather than organically notice a post and realize that it follows a tell, which town does. I suppose the gist of what I’m saying is that DeasVail is scum trying to find reads by creating thought processes, meanwhile town finds reads not by creating thought processes but by simply having those thought processes.

OK, did post 74 change your read?

Ah, psychoanalysis...not my favorite but what can you do?

[Frogsterking]

I like how Flavia just ignores everything AI over the last couple pages which would be inconvenient for them to take a stance on.

[Frogsterking]

OK, did post 74 change your read?

What a useless fucking question.

Ah, psychoanalysis...not my favorite but what can you do?

What makes you assume Passenger is telling the truth?

[Frogsterking]

As such, take nearly everything he says in the early game with a grain of salt.

Or you could listen and hit scum early more often but that would require both thinking and listening at the same time.

Thinking and reading* if you have poor control over your phonological loop.

I have reviewed the thread and have a full team solve virtue of you guys being really easy reads.

In case anyone's confused this isn't a reaction test, I do have a full team solve I expect to be roughly 2/3 precise. I'm clarifying it's not a reaction test specifically because I know that no one interprets me to be joking because I'm sharp enough to realize a player who claims to think I'm joking is unlikely to be the telling the truth.

OK, did post 74 change your read?

What a useless fucking question.

Ah, psychoanalysis...not my favorite but what can you do?

What makes you assume Passenger is telling the truth?

[Frogsterking]

PS: I'm taking frogsterking's readings on page 1 as a joke, not them being serious

[Frogsterking]

At least one scum has now exceeded 4 posts.

[Flavia]

Well, might seem so but ignoring isn't the best word to use. Reserving judgement till I can come to a conclusion.

You think so? Thing is Bell made one statement about DeasVail being scum out of ideas. Passenger asks a question about what means to make AI posts in their head. Next post, votes expanding on Bell's reasoning. I'm actually interested how things...change. If they do.

See no reason to lie about you liking psychoanalysis. I mean, lots of people do. Just not my liking...all those associations. Never believed in them

[Kokabiel]

Since you chose to ignore my question about why you thought i was pretending, i will be making my own conclusions on that matter.

[Frogsterking]

@Flavia it's time for you to post a full reads list. It's passed time, really. I'm not accepting the same response from you as I did from Herta, you are different players and I want a read on every player from you even if a bunch of them are null.

Since you chose to ignore my question about why you thought i was pretending, i will be making my own conclusions on that matter.

@Kookaburra I'm not as confident in my read on you as the other two, fwiw #110 at least is more likely to come from a Resident. I'll let others decide if our interactions look TvT or not.

[Frogsterking]

Hello everyone

- The least awesome head

Which one posted this and why are all of you ghosting the thread?

[Frogsterking]

Hello everyone

- The least awesome head

Which one posted this and why are all of you ghosting the thread?

[Frogsterking]

@Kookaburra I'm not as confident in my read on you as the other two, fwiw #110 at least is more likely to come from a Resident. I'll let others decide if our interactions look TvT or not.

@Bell
@maybe Passenger
@group scum
@anyone who thinks they have good D1 reads

[Flavia]

On page 5? Sorry, I'm not clairvoyant, mafia or really a good player. You'll get what I can think of now:

The Bombay: liked post 44, though I can really say I agree with that logics. Seems solvey. Maybe, maybe town.
Oh, I think the whole vote stuff about that vote is just playing Freud. Starting a random wagon might not be very efficient but it seems as much as I've read on this site to be a very used tactic.

Kokabiel: post 47- hmm, maybe they believe they've seen something but the way I see "a cigar is just a cigar". Don't get what scum-DeasVale would get from asking to join a vote that as far as I can tell is pretty much random. Basically, they either are trying to solve but I am not getting the logic or trying to find a reason to vote someone. Not sure yet.

Andresvmp- Post 94 has some logic. Granted, pretty non-committed but it was was page 3 or 4.

Furtiveglance- person who claimed miller. Suppose for the moment we can't disbelieve this claim.

DeasVail- so, I guess he tries to find town. Which is logical. No idea why you'd have a list so early. You might be contagious.

You- post 11. Reason I took it as a joke is that well, IMHO, anyone who can say who is mafia/town based on 1 post is either mafia or should work for FBI. Post 66- you really think two experienced mafia players couldn't make that interaction? Other than intuition why it couldn't be SvS? Post 87 is logical question, though didn't see Johnny post any reason to be suspicious of DeasVail? rest is mostly you knowing the whole mafia team is stuff and being overly assertive.

Passenger- told you why I found some posts...worrying.

The rest are the rest. No real idea.

[RH]

Day 1 Count II

DeasVail (2) - Star Power, Passenger
JohnnyFarrar (2) - PenguinPower, Herta
The Bombay (2) - Bell, Kokabiel
PenguinPower (1) - JohnnyFarrar
Kokabiel (1) - The Bombay
N.Y. M (1) - Frogsterking
Passenger (1) - Andresvmb
Star Power (1) - Flavia

Not Voting

- furtiveglance, DeasVail, N.Y. M

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 14 remaining, it takes 8 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-11-16 17:00:00).

[RH]

By the way, I'll be including a record of your post count in VCs from D2 onwards or when 125 posts are reached by a player, whichever happens first.

[DeasVail]

I'm trying to make posts made so far AI in my head, but I'm not really coming up with much.

rcan you please explain what you mean by “make posts AI in your head?”

I tend to think that most posts are probably NAI, at the end of the day. But particularly in the early game I think it’s helpful to think about whether particular posts are more likely from town, and to push on anything that might be from scum. For the posts made thus far, I had some thoughts along the lines of “this could be from town”, but then also counter-arguments in my head about why what I thought was town, wasn’t necessarily.

For example, I agree that Star Power’s post isn’t particularly indicative of scum, but I also can’t townread that post. In the end it’s just a colourful way of saying “let’s kill scum!”

IMO I don't think you are a dull player so if you haven't seen anything suspicious yet then I think you should reread and be more open to being skeptical and critical of others. I think the idea of whether or not most posts are NAI is tricky. In this particular game I believe that a lot more AI content than usual has been created.

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

Why didn’t you ask me?

can you vote kokabiel?

Sure

VOTE: kokabiel

[DeasVail]

@RH

I think you might have missed this post

VOTE: kokabiel



-Marci

[DeasVail]

VOTE: kokabiel

Spoiler:

-Marci

Awww how cute~

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior.
I doubt scum would blatantly call their buddies like this so thats one association down.

Why didn’t you ask me?

can you vote kokabiel?

Yuck. Can totes see this as a scum theater.

I feel like getting wagons happening is a pretty common way of moving the game out of the early stages. Has your experience been different?

[DeasVail]

Also I'm feeling pretty good about furtiveglance, flavia and frogster

[DeasVail]

ooo they all begin with the letter f!

[RH]

@RH I think you might have missed this post

Thanks for catching that. I misread the VC Counter.

[RH]

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