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[Frogsterking]

Off the cuff reads in no particular order:

TOWN
Bell
Bombay
DV
Furtive
Johnny
Frog
Herta

NULL
NYM
Penguin
Flavia

DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THIS GAME
Andres

SCUM
Koka
Passenger

Roden hasn't really been faking a read progression so he's still locked into this. My guess is that he's going to send it to Bell because some players still trust him since he's playing under the radar.

[The Bombay]

Ngl, if no one confirms roden's message, my reaction will be to assume that his target was scum. Not that Roden was scum. Even if his role did not confirm him, this entire play is dripping in towniness.

But also, doubt that happens, because that outs his target as scum, because he can just... tell us who he targeted.

So I am just skipping the waiting and living my life as though who ever his target is has already confirmed him.

[Frogsterking]

Off the cuff reads in no particular order:

TOWN
Bell
Bombay
DV
Furtive
Johnny
Frog
Herta

NULL
NYM
Penguin
Flavia

DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THIS GAME
Andres

SCUM
Koka
Passenger

Roden hasn't really been faking a read progression so he's still locked into this. My guess is that he's going to send it to Bell because some players still trust him since he's playing under the radar.

Barring the message being revealed from someone sus, there may be some fake claim shenanigans going on. Like I said, I just finished conning a Town with Eiralox where we tricked Bella into claiming "Eiralox is 100% Town" by asking them to in a Mailman message, and then nightkilled them so Eiralox could claim he sent them a TFN message.

@Luke

I'm not going to resort to ad hominem this game because I don't want to be that kind of player and overall I think you're playing quite well, but I think you're propensity to trust Roden right now might be the death of us all because I think Passenger/Bell/Roden is an extremely tight team solve.

[Herta]

I cannot confirm Roden.

[Frogsterking]

Barring the message being revealed from someone sus, there may be some fake claim shenanigans going on. Like I said, I just finished conning a Town with Eiralox where we tricked Bella into claiming "Eiralox is 100% Town" by asking them to in a Mailman message, and then nightkilled them so Eiralox could claim he sent them a TFN message.

Especially like if I can draw some comparison between Roden and myself and Luke, this might seem like a lot of work to a player like Luke who is good at faking interactions as scum, but for someone like me or Roden we are basically living or dying based on Town's willingness to Towncore or mech clear us for bad reasons.

[Frogsterking]

I cannot confirm Roden.

Did you receive a Mailman message lol?

Here is why I'm weary of Roden's claim:

Tbf what frog has said has happened...

Erias town.

I promised a response to this.

Spoiler: Context

So you followed my suggestion to threaten to vote out Eiralox unless he claims. He squirmed and made excuses and left, which is pretty fucking fishy, and…you did the exact thing you said was a bad idea, which is pretend to threaten to kill him. How do you justify that?

Re: pretend to threaten to kill him:
This is one of the things that got lost in the fray and maybe I didn't communicate well, but at the time I voted Eira, I did so completely willing to eliminate them. And then I got spooked and unvoted.

I don't think I threatened to kill Eira after they left?

I am not in a position where I am thinking especially logically. You are within your rights to think this is an excuse or to find this frustrating.

UNVOTE:

Also, unfortunate fact, I have a commitment this evening and need to leave soon. I will make sure not to leave until I've cast a vote. I will also check in before the end of the day to provide a hammer if this is necessary.

And then I got spooked and unvoted.

Why?

Tell me why you aren't willing to risk Eiralox's life when he is being antitown, avoiding committing to a claim, making up excuses, lashing out, and not giving reasons for scumreads despite being all too happy to vote me for FoS'ing him. Tell me why.

And then I got spooked and unvoted.

Why?

Ugh, something about Bella seeming like she kinda wanted Eira to live, but I guess she did say herself she isn't sure what alignment they are.

VOTE: Not Mafia
Maybe Bella can shoot Eira or something.

I need to go. If I am alive tomorrow I will engage Grib, Eira, or whoever is alive that needs to be engaged with. I will make sure to write a proper case. As an exchange for this, I will be much less receptive to people trying to change my mind last-minute if we are in that situation, and reserve the right to not engage at deadline.

Tell me why you aren't willing to risk Eiralox's life when he is being antitown, avoiding committing to a claim, making up excuses, lashing out, and not giving reasons for scumreads despite being all too happy to vote me for FoS'ing him. Tell me why.

I don't care what happens, Aisa needs to answer this next phase. Don't let her skip out on it.

Bella seemed pretty adamant that Eiralox shouldn't die and I thought that trumped other considerations. For example, did it seem like Eira was being antitown in a vacuum? Sure. Was Eira being antitown given Bella's behaviour around that slot? Not so clear. Did Eira lash out at you and me? Yeah and maybe that could have been handled differently somewhere, but that's not really something I usually read scumread.

Grib - Vanilla Townie - endgamed Day 4
Frogsterking - Mafia Doctor - survives and wins Day 4
Titus Eiralox - Mafia Mailman - survives and wins Day 4
Aisa - Vanilla Townie - endgamed Day 4
Elements - Vanilla Townie - endgamed Day 4

[The Bombay]

@Luke

I'm not going to resort to ad hominem this game because I don't want to be that kind of player and overall I think you're playing quite well, but I think you're propensity to trust Roden right now might be the death of us all because I think Passenger/Bell/Roden is an extremely tight team solve.

You claim to scumread Passenger and Townread me but most of your ISO looks motivated to shade my slot and cause the Kookaburra wagon to go through instead of the Passenger wagon.

Frog, I think that you are not re-evaluating Roden's actions in light of his ability reveal. Roden having an Advocate ability explains his focus on Koka over Passenger.

Further more, look at how he reacted to the claim

How did you activate your ability?

This looks like it was a trap question laid by a townie with that ability. His activation phrase was "Represent Residents," and he is checking to see if Koka's also has the word Resident baked into it.

----

Then there is the question of why activate at all here, if he is scum? He is not in any danager, and Koka is already building pressure. Scum him can just... let it play out.

Then there is the question of why would he lie to add a fake clear onto himself? Like, if he is scum, then that is a pure lie. I refuse to believe that he, as scum, is risking his slot on the chance that a townie would just believe him when he sent a message saying "Play along, and confirm me as town." I also don't think that he would tie himself so strongly to a buddy. Because if he does ever die, and that is not part of his role, down goes his buddy.

This plan has so much danger with both options, with very little benefit. He gets an elim on an already scum read slot, and he either tanks himself or ties himself to a partner.

I am sure that you are going to say that he was saving Passenger, but you are world building a scum team that is putting all of their eggs in one basket, where if even one of them ever dies, the whole team goes down, which is just... not how scum play.

[Herta]

Did you receive a Mailman message lol?

Players denying it will help narrow it down.

[The Bombay]

Then there is the question of why would he lie to add a fake clear onto himself? Like, if he is scum, then that is a pure lie

To reword, even if he is scum with passenger, trying to save passenger, then he just... does not include the self clearing part.

He says he is an advocate. He says that Koka is lying about their flavor name since his flavor name is not advocate. And he says that Koka's flavor should explain why they have an advocate, and the fact that Koka checked a wiki means their flavor looks bad.

That is already enough to kill Koka, and does not need the fake "oh, and I also IC myself" lie that can immediately fall apart. AND this version lets him walk away from it. He just says "oh... wow, I really did not think that the mod would put proponent and advocate both in the same game"

[The Bombay]

VOTE: Koka

[Frogsterking]

Frog, I think that you are not re-evaluating Roden's actions in light of his ability reveal. Roden having an Advocate ability explains his focus on Koka over Passenger

It doesn't explain the primary reason why I am scumreading Roden: his shade and condescending tone, unbelievable reads list and seeming unwillingness to sort any slots over pushing an agenda.

Please read 555 and 554 again. I will reconsider and think about what you're saying, but I want you to also reconsider what I'm saying as well: this is the kind of play which players with my and Roden's playstyle are much more likely to attempt as scum than you would be because we can't rely on our ability to fake interactions with the Town.

[Frogsterking]

does not include the self clearing part.

That's not true. I literally just gave you evidence to the contrary: I just attempted exactly what you're saying scum would never do and it caused my team to win the game. Please read 555 and 554 again and consider that your own skill as a scum player is causes you to make different choices than someone like Roden or I would

[Frogsterking]

@Bombay

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

I am kind of thinking that StarPower appearing to not know that there is a 3rd party makes them more likely to be town.

Seriously doubt that the actual 3rd party would not be too self-conscious to frame it that way, so imo town>scum>3rd party

But mafia can't collaborate with the 3rd party in this game. Everybody losses. So,

makes sense mafia would be as interested in this 3rd party as the town.

Or not that interested yet as the game just started.

This feels like you misunderstood. My point was that the mafia would be

more

cognizant of the existence of the 3rd party, while StarPower's post reads like someone who was not thinking about the existence of a 3rd party.

Therefore, town being the most likely alignment to make such a post.

Not the basis for a strong read, but as far as page 1 posts go, it is nice to have an inkling on someone

~Luke

I lied,

now

I'm gonna start reading. Liking this read from Luke, it has some depth and it's about what I expect for an early read from him.

Roden buttering up Luke by telling him his ideas have depth. Buttering up scum tell https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B0.5.29

VOTE: kokabiel

Spoiler:

-Marci

Awww how cute~

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior.
I doubt scum would blatantly call their buddies like this so thats one association down.

Why didn’t you ask me?

can you vote kokabiel?

Yuck. Can totes see this as a scum theater.

The scumminess in this post's tone is out of this world lmao. This is how you scum post when you want to appear like you don't care about getting scum read, the confidence is just too misplaced.

VOTE: Kokabiel

Roden making up a motive to vote Kookaburra "the scumminess is out of this world." Trying to discredit an obtown player for bad reason https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B1.0.29

The difference is that Marci invited you, whereas Dease invited himself. Marci can invite anyone, so how would that make it SvS?

I do agree with you that it felt weird when deasnails invited himself to your wagon like that, it felt like he was a pick me and just wanted to be on my side lol, but I didn't really pay that much attention at the time since I was more focused on you.

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior

Why do you think it’s scum behavior?

The vote itself isn't bad, it's the fact that she is calling other people to join it. Pushing someone without any reason is dumb and anti-town.
While anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum, it's the best thing i have right now and getting rid of people like this in absence of better alternatives is a great move.
I decided to scumread this instead of seeing it as bad town because i doubt she would make such a blunder as town.

pUsHiNg sOMeOnE wItHoUt aNy rEaSOn iS dUmB aNd aNtI-tOwN
first off, I did have a reason although it wasn't super solid. not sharing ≠ no reason. if you really cared enough you could've asked... instead you jumped to defensive lol
second, who are you? "i doubt she would make such a blunder as town." is a personal statement that implies you know a bit about me and how i play.... but thing is i've literally done this before so what bullshit tree are you trying to plant?
i'm willing to back down, but you aren't really showing me any reason at all as to why you could be town right now. Right now how I view you is kinda survivalistic.. like in the way I think 3p would be. It looks like you're just trying to shut

me

up since it seems like you scumread only me and not luke. The fact that your only real reads are on people who've voted you isn't a good look. I think you overreacted for the amount of votes you

did

get.

S
Marci said she wanted to vote Koka because her iso was "beyond useless"

Marci please enlighten me with the amazing reads you got from pages 1-3. Luke has been doing all the lifting for you so far and i can't say i'm impressed even as a joke.

This reads snarky for...no reason..? I haven't even posted all day while being at work.. It did give me a moment of doubt ngl, but give me something to actually tr you on, anyone can do this as any alignment.
Maybe you should think about giving reads first before asking for them.

Originally I was going to vote for Flavia instead of you actually, but I thought more about it and decided it was more just playstyle differences.
Originally I didn't like froggie (for 11) but after thinking about it and talking to luke I've decided to wait a bit on that before deciding. Though is still not best vibes IMO
Bells alright so far. Penguinpowers prob alright? I like Passenger the most.
^ These don't limit only to the first few pages, though looking at it reminds me of it.

Luke is right, it just seems like you aren't trying to get a better understanding of anything.

-Marci

Nice both heads are townie, I feel good about town locking this slot.

Buttering up the Bombay hydra AGAIN, this time by complimenting marci who is pathetically easy to pocket. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B0.5.29

Not sure if Luke is being too generous here with me.

I kinda hip shot you town based off of your interaction with Furtive. It was a combo of the tone feeling right, your conclusions on furtive being identical to my own, and you also immediately spot checking the flavor to match it with the claim.

Have not really circled back to looking at you since then.

I can pretend to scum read you though it you want

This. I think the attention to detail is +town, whereas I think scum is more likely to see a Miller claim and just groan and move on.

Buttering up Luke AGAIN by complimenting him for attention to detail. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B0.5.29


There is an obvious agenda from Roden to pocket the Bombay hydra and push the Kookaburra wagon through which is not explained by Roden's shitty conman-style fakeclaim.

[Bell]

Did someone confirm that Roden is town?
I did not receive a message and that breaks my heart a little because I was their strongest TR, supposedly.

[The Bombay]

I just attempted exactly what you're saying scum would never do and it caused my team to win the game. Please read 555 and 554 again and consider that your own skill as a scum player is causes you to make different choices than someone like Roden or I would

The issue here is that I think of Roden's playstyle as more similar to my own then to yours, but I am gonna look more at the game you just posted

[Bell]

Why are we considering Roden when they literally just said they would confirm themselves.

[furtiveglance]

Roden who did you send a message to?

[The Bombay]

Why are we considering Roden when they literally just said they would confirm themselves.

Frog is claiming that it could be a gambit where he either:

Sent it to a townie, hoping the townie would just back him up, OR sent it to his partner.

I am saying that that does not seem like something that scum!Roden would do.

[Frogsterking]

God I'm going to go back to my hermit frog mountain. I guess I just have to promise my alignment is mod confirmable (but only one person of my choosing can see it oooOOOooo) and whisper sweet nothings into people's ear if I want to play as scummy as I want without repercussions.

...oh wait, I literally just did that, it was really easy and our scum team won. Mini Normal 2283.

[Frogsterking]

Why are we considering Roden when they literally just said they would confirm themselves.

Shut up Bell you fucking scumfuck lmfao

Go smoke another blunt Jesus Christ

[The Bombay]

Frog you have 4 posts left, so maybe hold off until after someone has or has not confirmed Roden's alignment

[Frogsterking]

Y'all kids with your fancy power roles don't have an appreciation no more for good old-fashioned scum huntin'

[furtiveglance]

Why are we considering Roden when they literally just said they would confirm themselves.

Shut up Bell you fucking scumfuck lmfao

Go smoke another blunt Jesus Christ

Rude

[RH]

A general reminder that games can be heated and to avoid getting personal.

[Frogsterking]

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...