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[Greeting]

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Not Known 15

Do you have any other scumreads than myself?

[Greeting]

I can understand Greeting's point of view, though, and I don't think a disagreement with it is strong enough to imply scum at this point. Also, there are multiple silent/inactive players, so focusing on Greeting for inactivity would be too narrow of a scope for me at the moment. I think I've played with Greeting before.

Are you seriously contemplating that this was an intended quickhammer? Spartan isn't a newbie! And it's not just that; it's also that Greeting stopped replying to that line of pushing and posted this instead:

Prod dodge, still uphold my scumreads. I like low activity games as they are easier to catch up with, but this game is just dead and that’s a real shame.

I have played with Greeting, and Town Greeting would not stop and hide from pushes like that! That's strictly a scum move.

Post 128 happened after your scumread and subsequent vote of me, why are you using it to justify a view that was supposedly formed earlier?

[BlueSnakelet]

So... Activity, huh?

VOTE: Spartan, I'd like to see a little more of their serious side.

I think Not Known is town in their pushing of Greeting, I just don't think they're right.

Why not?

Because I'm suspicious of Spartan and your only reason to suspect Greeting is their suspicion of Spartan.

[Not Known 15]

I can understand Greeting's point of view, though, and I don't think a disagreement with it is strong enough to imply scum at this point. Also, there are multiple silent/inactive players, so focusing on Greeting for inactivity would be too narrow of a scope for me at the moment. I think I've played with Greeting before.

Are you seriously contemplating that this was an intended quickhammer? Spartan isn't a newbie! And it's not just that; it's also that Greeting stopped replying to that line of pushing and posted this instead:

Prod dodge, still uphold my scumreads. I like low activity games as they are easier to catch up with, but this game is just dead and that’s a real shame.

I have played with Greeting, and Town Greeting would not stop and hide from pushes like that! That's strictly a scum move.

Post 128 happened after your scumread and subsequent vote of me, why are you using it to justify a view that was supposedly formed earlier?

That just made my scumread stronger, that's all.

[Not Known 15]

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Not Known 15

Do you have any other scumreads than myself?

Not substantially.
Player 6 is not Day 1 material.

[Not Known 15]

Because I'm suspicious of Spartan and your only reason to suspect Greeting is their suspicion of Spartan.

You might have a slight scumread on Spartan (I don't, there's nothing unnatural there;

don't

fall into the trap of suspecting someone because they were scum last game. That happens.).
I have at this point a massive scumread on Greeting based not only on their insistence that Spartan really wanted to quickhammer Page 2(an absurd idea that doesn't pass a reality check; an experienced scum quickhammering page 2? In a newbie game? Like that? No.), an interpretation that would be scummy even if Spartan flips red, but also massively strengthened massively by Greeting's subsequent behaviour: Prod dodging, and not addressing my push until being scumread for it - a very strong scumtell for Greeting.

[BlueSnakelet]

You might have a slight scumread on Spartan (I don't, there's nothing unnatural there;

don't fall into the trap of suspecting someone because they were scum last game.

That happens.).

Don't worry, I know how randomness works.

I have a question. You said before that Greeting wasn't acting how "Town Greeting" would. I didn't looked up anyone's past games (because I don't trust my abilities to analyze meta). Would you say that they're acting like in their scum games, or just that they're acting differently than in their town games?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Bellaphant Greeting and bellaphant are mafia duo. I voted greeting and bellaphant voted me seems like a newbie mistake

Feels town

Hi @Player6. Can you elaborate on what you mean when Bellaphant voting you seems like a newbie mistake?

Nothing stood out to me as strange when Bellaphant voted you.

Feels scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Page 2 looks like a good time for a juicy RVS Hammer you have been judged Bella to be too sussy for our company. Begone!

VOTE: Bellaphant

This is scummy. Spartan, where has your cautious playstyle gone?

Yesh I'm getting that vibe too, think you probably rolled green again too, cab you really roll Red (idk how many) that many times!
UNVOTE: Bellaphant

What changed this read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This feels like Ghardi is lining votes/elims up. Ghardi, why did the interaction lead you to believe that exactly 1 of them is scum?

I clearly don't care if I'm being sussed and am more than happy to use myself as a tool to drive conversation and get opinions, why is this scummy? Do you think scum want to try and be heavily sussed early on? Would it not make more sense to try and hide under the radar?

It's scummy because you know there are people who have played with you before in this game and if you do not get killed early (which as you said yourself earlier, does seem to happen) then people are going to start asking questions. As well as this, it gives you a reason to be alive later in the game because you were suspected a decent amount.

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

Talk to me about Spartan

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hello, has anything important happened? I skimmed through and Spartan stands out the most to me. Can I get a votecount?

Talk about what stood out?

This was an in joke about bbt, sorry.

Rude!

I'm liking Tapio's posting on Greeting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Greeting has done lots of defending and 0 scum hunting.

That's not a good look, chief.

[Looker]

early E-1

I think it was too close for comfort and worth scrutiny in a game of newbies and relatively sparse votecounts.

That's about it until I get a few responses to my question(s). Unless you were looking for something more.

[Tapiocaphobe]

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

Talk to me about Spartan

spartan is null to me right now, i definitely get the feeling that they haven't been super inspired to post due to the inactivity
something that's stuck out to me is how they backed off in 46 after being voted twice, which feels slightly scummy to me

[Tapiocaphobe]

oh I did look at that scum game bella and spartan were in, didn't have any conclusions

[Player6]

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having 0 scum hunting and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

[Bellaphant]

Is there a vc? 148 feels really town.

@player 6, were they scum? I find I tend to scum read greeting for tone and be wrong a fair bit.

[furtiveglance]

VC

Greeting (3) Tapiocaphobe, NotKnown15, Player6

Spartan117 (3) Greeting, Looker, BlueSnakelet

Player6 (1) Bellaphant


Not Voting (2) BlueBloodedToffee, Spartan117


(expired on 2022-11-16 16:25:53)

[Greeting]

That just made my scumread stronger, that's all.

That's confirmation bias. You've pre-decided that I am scum over a push, which I keep upholding, and stubbornly keep interpreting my posts however you can to fit your worldview. Which is bad strategy to scumhunt and a bad example to give to the newbies. Do better.

[Greeting]

@

Not Known 15

Do you have any other scumreads than myself?

Not substantially.
Player 6 is not Day 1 material.

What do you mean by that?

[Greeting]

Greeting has done

[...]

0 scum hunting

.

That's not a good look, chief.

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having

0 scum hunting

and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

Did you guys pre-decide this push and blatantly untrue argumentation, which can be easily proven by just looking into my ISO, in the scumchat?

[Tapiocaphobe]

That just made my scumread stronger, that's all.

That's confirmation bias. You've pre-decided that I am scum over a push, which I keep upholding, and stubbornly keep interpreting my posts however you can to fit your worldview. Which is bad strategy to scumhunt and a bad example to give to the newbies. Do better.

this post is extremely scummy

Greeting has done

[...]

0 scum hunting

.

That's not a good look, chief.

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having

0 scum hunting

and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

Did you guys pre-decide this push and blatantly untrue argumentation, which can be easily proven by just looking into my ISO, in the scumchat?

how is this "blatantly untrue"? i don't see any attempts to sort in your iso.

i want to flip greeting today

[Spartan117]

As one of the two people who have wagons on them currently, It would be thought that I would want to try to join Greetings wagon and push them especially for their suspect push on me. But I am worried they could potentially be the typical sussy day 1 town elim that happens so often, I need more time to go through everything thats happened, been very busy irl sorry gang but am planning on putting something together tonight, from a quick glance, BBT looks town so far @Bella I personally don't know if I have it in me to try and sort him after past games so provided nothing jumps out at me, there are other directions I'd rather venture in and investigate in more depth.

[BlueSnakelet]

It isn't illogical to assume Greeting might be eliminated without Spartan's involvement, since the overall discourse between Greeting and their voters is more intense than with Spartan and their voters.

What I think it's happening is: Spartan is scum, and knows Greeting will flip town. By saying "pushing Greeting would be great for me, but idk, this overly scummy player might be town" Spartan is setting up a Day 2 where they can say "See? I was right! Y'all should've listened to me. See how great of a townie I am?"

[Spartan117]

t isn't illogical to assume Greeting might be eliminated without Spartan's involvement

Its

illogical

? To assume greeting might be eliminated without my involvement.

Are you referring to my reaction test at the beginning or me voting them and being on their wagon?
If they reacted in a suspect way to my reaction test and people vote them for that, I am happy to have helped especially as its driven thought privoling conversation but thats down to the voters not me.

And if by chance you are referring to it being illogical for them to be eliminated without me voting them? I don't see how its illogical for 2 of Looker, BBT or Bella to vote them. To put it short I don't really see your point. Especially since I've not really been engaging the votes against me as I currently don't see the point, I'm not going to spend my time trying to make everyone think I'm town, I plan to review formulate my reads and if you flip me see im town and yall can go from there with that info.