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[furtiveglance]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

I can link you to a game where catboi was in a hood with frog, and in that hood catboi claimed to be an IC that would be revealed the following day.

Frog did not believe him, and killed him that night. Frog was town, and killed a claimed IC, because his read was just that strong.

When catboi died, and flipped as an IC, frog's response was to say that catboi must be a scum!changeling that just *flipped* as a town IC.

Until someone can confirm to me that role-changers are illegal in large themes, I believe catboi is a one-shot changeling-type role

On the surface, this looks eerily like that situation to me.

Town frog got convinced that Roden was scum. And then was so convinced, that even mod-confirmed information was not enough to change his mind.

This thought did occur to me as well. A chilling cautionary tale against tunneling to be sure. Is it likely though? Frog, anything to say on this?

[The Bombay]

VOTE: Koka

[DeasVail]

Town frog got convinced that Roden was scum. And then was so convinced, that even mod-confirmed information was not enough to change his mind.

I wouldn't want to assume that this was the case

[DeasVail]

I'm less skeptical of Dease Townplay than I am of Luke's so I find the dumbtelling from Dease to be more indicative that he's lying.

what is the dumbtell?

[DeasVail]

Meh, I thought the silence from Roden after they claimed to have messaged someone was a bit dodgy. And we do get info either way.

VOTE: Roden

That too but mod - who you just scolded me for asking - just confirmed that Roden is bssing us, you’re welcome.

~Nancy

Also how did the mod confirm that Roden is bssing us?

[The Bombay]

The mod confirmed that "being informed that there is at least one role that provides misleading results" is not bastard.

That confirmation says nothing about Roden.

"Misleading results" almost certainly means something like a gunsmith type role which can pull false innos/guilties

Not mod lies

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

? How does this relate how the players as a group perceive Frog?

...Because the Government believes "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", and if Frog admits he received info then he confirms me as town and potentially confirms himself as the Government. Causing the players as a group to potentially see him as the Government. Which is bad if he's the Government.

[DeasVail]

The mod confirmed that "being informed that there is at least one role that provides misleading results" is not bastard.

That confirmation says nothing about Roden.

"Misleading results" almost certainly means something like a gunsmith type role which can pull false innos/guilties

Not mod lies

I agree, but I'm interested in Nancy's thought process behind that post.

[furtiveglance]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

? How does this relate how the players as a group perceive Frog?

...Because the Government believes "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", and if Frog admits he received info then he confirms me as town and potentially confirms himself as the Government. Causing the players as a group to potentially see him as the Government. Which is bad if he's the Government.

Ohhh kay. So if the Government player gets your message they have to decide whether or not to come forward. Yeah I can see that, especially if Frog is the Dictator (!)

[The Bombay]

If Luke is Town then this is strike two for me as far as Town play is concerned. I came into this game with an open mind and what I'm learning is that Town!Luke has <rand reads because they Townread people who kiss their butt, which scum are more likely to do.

The funny thing is that I am actually pretty happy with my play in the exact game you are referencing. I was actively pushing for the elimination of 4 out of 5 of the scum to die the day that they died. Which I certainly value over the day 1 hero solve approach.

Malcolm is the only scum who truly bamboozled me that game.

Like, yes, I was wrong on *you* but :shrug:

[Bell]

Is there some reason frog has gone over the post limit

[Bell]

So either Roden or Frogster is lying.
Why aren't we killing one of them.

[The Bombay]

Is there some reason frog has gone over the post limit

There is a 25 post buffer, shared across all days, for going over the post limit.

And he thought it necessary to spend one of those to outline just how bad he thinks I am because my reads are not the same as his.

[Bell]

Why vote ME

I didn't receive a message from Roden. You can be damn sure that one of us is lying. It should be obvious to you that Roden is the one who is lying, but if you have to flip me first to find out that Roden/Passenger/Bell are the group scum, then be my guest and vote me instead of Roden.

Ego.

I'm not scum.

[The Bombay]

So either Roden or Frogster is lying.
Why aren't we killing one of them.

If we are killing one of them, I would kill frog. I am pretty sure that roden is town here.

I am fairly worried that Frog is town lying because of his informed ability making him doubt the message contents. And since he wants us to kill roden anyways, he is claiming it never came.

I think that Koka is scum.

[Bell]

The more I think of this situation the more I realize that Frogster is almost certainly fucking up.

Frogster did you receive a message of any kind?
If you received a message was the message worded in an ambiguous way?
I want to be clear here Frog, if the wording is not ambiguous it is likely true because unless you were explicitly informed that the mod will send you false messages about the set up, it's just true because moderators have to say the game is bastard if they provide false results in this manner. If there is anything fucky in the wording, I'll entertain it, but right now you just seem totally off the rails.

[The Bombay]

I decided only to partially claim my role today:

#1 I'm informed that at least one player has a role which gets misleading results.

I already claimed it earlier before Roden claimed. I assumed it was referring to an investigative, but I was jumping to conclusions, I doublechecked my role PM just now because I was getting suspicious, and below is the exact wording:

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At least one player has a role who

PROVIDES

a misleasing result. I wonder what kind of mod given information Roden may have

PROVIDED

to someone with his

ROLE

via a

PRIVATE MESSAGE

. I wonder if Roden has a

SCUM PR

with the ability to

MISLEAD

as you now know

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ROLE IN THIS GAME WHICH PROVIDES MISLEADING RESULTS

Like, he thinks this about Roden's role claim, has his informed status, gets the PM. I can see that leading to him doing this as town.

[Bell]

Didn't they learn anything from pissing off Petapan.

[Frogsterking]

Probably my last post in case I need my post bank D2/D3.

Frog, anything to say on this?

My experience with Luke in Lost was that he lacked any ability to Townread me whatsoever, so unfortunately it's in his Townrange to believe I'm scum to a level of delusion which equals my own delusion that catboi was scum in KTANE.

That said, in my experience scum have linked to KTANE when I have pushed them and they were trying to convince others not to vote with me. I'm becoming skeptical Luke is actually this badly pocketed by Roden, so my read on him goes down a lot for making this argument that there is somehow any ambiguity in "you can be damn sure one of Roden and I are lying."

If I had to choose one of Roden/Passenger/Bell to switch for Bombay, I would switch out Bell, though that raise more questions than it answers, like:

@Bell

, do you honestly have any idea what's happening in this game or no?

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Dease has become my top choice for 3rd party because:

-Dease' read progression on me makes no sense. There is a motivation to take me out now and let Roden take the fall for it because as 3rd party Dease doesn't want to eventually get stuck in an endgame with me.

-I don't believe Dease' dumbtelling about fakeclaims right now is genuine.

-The timing of Dease' vote on Kookaburra coincides with 3rd party's incentive to vote Kookaburra as specified by Kookaburra's role.

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To summarize:

-At least one player has a role which provides misleading information. IMO could just be furtive.

-Protects don't go on me tonight.

-Roden is confirmed groupscum FMPOV because locking himself into a 1v1 claim as 3rd party doesn't make sense. (Another reason why I'm Town compared to 3rd party here for those of you still having doubts. I GUESS it's possible that brings up an alternative explanation for Roden's play in that I'm scum team's read for 3rd party and they were hoping I would reciprocate in a lie with them out of fear of entering a 1v1 claim. I VERY MUCH hope to find out that's what happened postgame.)

-My second choice for 3rd party is Penguin. My first choice is Dease which I outlined above. I don't really think either are group scum.

-I null read Bombay, Flavia, Johnny. If I'm wrong on Bell it can be any of those three.

-I scum read Roden/Passenger/Bell and I think they are all connected by strong associative tells as well as independently scummy ISOs.

-I townread everyone pretty hard who isn't otherwise specified above.

-I'm ready for Roden to be hammered and N1 to begin. I prefer not to waste any more of my post bank today in case I actually need it later. If you want to hammer me instead of Roden then don't be shy about it, you have ~24 hours to find like 8 votes on me.

[DeasVail]

I decided only to partially claim my role today:

#1 I'm informed that at least one player has a role which gets misleading results.

I already claimed it earlier before Roden claimed. I assumed it was referring to an investigative, but I was jumping to conclusions, I doublechecked my role PM just now because I was getting suspicious, and below is the exact wording:

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At least one player has a role who

PROVIDES

a misleasing result. I wonder what kind of mod given information Roden may have

PROVIDED

to someone with his

ROLE

via a

PRIVATE MESSAGE

. I wonder if Roden has a

SCUM PR

with the ability to

MISLEAD

as you now know

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ROLE IN THIS GAME WHICH PROVIDES MISLEADING RESULTS

Like, he thinks this about Roden's role claim, has his informed status, gets the PM. I can see that leading to him doing this as town.

I think he would at least admit that he got a PM as town.

[Bell]

Do I have any idea what's happening in this game?

I know a little about you.
I know a little about Roden.

I think that Roden doesn't pull this shit.
So you're probably pulling some shit.
I think you're town.
I wasn't sure about Roden, but aforementioned the don't pull this shit.

Do not repeat your mistakes, reconsider the probabilities of your premises, change your foundations.
I'll apologize if I'm wrong and RH decided to make a wonky game and you figured it out, but based on the information I have available. I think you're way off.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Bell

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Roden

[Lukewarm]

My experience with Luke in Lost was that he lacked any ability to Townread me whatsoever, so unfortunately it's in his Townrange to believe I'm scum to a level of delusion which equals my own delusion that catboi was scum in KTANE.

I am not arguing that you are scum.

[The Bombay]

My experience with Luke in Lost was that he lacked any ability to Townread me whatsoever, so unfortunately it's in his Townrange to believe I'm scum to a level of delusion which equals my own delusion that catboi was scum in KTANE.

I am not arguing that you are scum.