hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[schadd_]

nice to meet you. I'm large normal 242. how are you doing?

modded by: large normal 242
reviewed by: isis & ausuka

Spoiler: player list

1. Not_Mafia
   Gamma Emerald
   
   
2. Enchant
   Nero Cain
   
   
3. Frogsterking
   
4. MalcolmTucker
   
5. Alisae
   Greeting
   
   
6. KittyTacky
   
7. JohnnyFarrar
   Big Chungus Gaming,
   Crescent
   
   
8. Lukewarm
   Save The Dragons
   
   
9. furtiveglance
   Fennec
   
   
10. PookyTheMagicalBear
    
11. Cape90
    
12. Titus
    SirRhett
    
    
13. Toogeloo
    
14. MathBlade
    Charloux
    
    
15. marcistar
    
16. MariaR

Spoiler: alive

• Enchant
  
• Lukewarm
  
• Cape90
  
• MathBlade
  
• MariaR

Spoiler: reveals

d1: alisae is a vanilla townie
n1: kittytacky is a town fruit vendor
d2: furtiveglance is a town novice joat (roleblocker, alien, tracker)
n2: frogsterking is a town rolecop, pookythemagicalbear is a mafia 2-shot follower
d3: malcolmtucker is a vanilla townie
n3: not_mafia is a town novice disloyal vigilante
d4: johnnyfarrar is a mafia 1-shot loyal bodyguard
n4: marcistar is a town even-night combined doctor tracker
d5: titus is a 4-shot rolecop
n5: toogeloo is a vanilla townie
d6: enchant was a mafia night 3 voyeur
n6: mathblade was a town voyeur

[schadd_]

the "things"

general:

- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- days will be 11 days long.
- night phases will last 48 hours maximum. on any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread. Um the thread will also be locked, so i think this rule only applies to listmods and stuff
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated).

This includes specific timestamps and that sort of meta-data; please ask me if you're uncertain whether something breaks this rule.

Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM the mod.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.

- i don't like players using the term "lynch" in my game, and i make an effort to provide a bunch of fun and stupid alternatives. i would appreciate seeing that effort returned
- it is also like against site rules i guess

- rule number 1: don't break the rulez

voting / player actions:

- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: schadd) or with bold (

vote: schadd

). Note that I didn't include the underscore in my username; you may choose to use a string that will uniquely identify a player to me instead of the exact thing.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- An Execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached, the day will end peacefully.
- Following an execution, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).

activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.
-

If you decide to replace out, PLEASE PM me and don't post in thread after doing so - if you want to rescind the replacement BLEASE PM ME AGAIN and dont post in thread until i have been like "ok np"

things:

-

Aquamarine, 21B35F

is my color. Please don't use it. i dont use it either because i think it's hard to read on mafsilver
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- The mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

mafia will be able to communicate with each other during day phases.

there are 12 town and 4 mafia.

nobody will be a psychologist, a ninja a strongman, or a traitor. (cops are possible)

sample VT PM:

welcome to large normal 242! you are a

vanilla townie

. you have no special abilities, but can talk and vote freely during the day.

you win when all the mafia are eliminated.

please confirm by telling me what the bolded green text says.

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.0 !

not voting (16):

Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, MalcolmTucker, Greeting, KittyTacky, Crescent, Save The Dragons, Fennec, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cape90, SirRhett, Toogeloo, Charloux, marcistar, MariaR

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• thread unlocked
  
• everybody confirmed

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.1 !

marcistar (3):

Toogeloo, marcistar, PookyTheMagicalBear

Cape90 (3):

Greeting, Nero Cain, SirRhett

Crescent (2):

Charloux, Frogsterking

MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Nero Cain (1):

MariaR

not voting (5):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Save The Dragons, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• 5: i did not

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.2 !

Crescent (3):

Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Nero Cain (1):

MariaR

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (6):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Save The Dragons, Fennec, Greeting

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.3 !

Crescent (2):

PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

MariaR (2):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

Fennec (1):

Greeting

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

not voting (4):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• replacing crescent.
  
• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

[schadd_]

Big Chungus Gaming replaces Crescent

[schadd_]

alright gimmie a second

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.4 !

MariaR (4):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (2):

Charloux, MariaR, marcistar

Frogsterking (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Greeting

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Cape90

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• added 4 days to the deadline. Bc the site stopped working for like 2 and a half days ?

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.5 !

MariaR (3):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking, Nero Cain

MalcolmTucker (3):

PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, MariaR

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (2):

Charloux, marcistar

Frogsterking (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Greeting

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• replacing nero cain

[schadd_]

Enchant replaces Nero Cain

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.6 !

Big Chungus Gaming (3):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking, Charloux

MalcolmTucker (2):

MariaR, Big Chungus Gaming

MariaR (2):

Nero Cain, Save The Dragons

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

Greeting

Charloux (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• prodding fennec & sirrhett, who don't seem to have returned after the site outage

[schadd_]

replacing fennec & sirrhett

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

[schadd_]

furtiveglance replaces Fennec

[schadd_]

Is there a way about doing V/LA stuff properly too? I will be absent from tomorrow morning till late Monday likely.

noted

[schadd_]

hi, i'm large normal 242

[schadd_]

Titus replaces SirRhett

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.8 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

Enchant (2):

Cape90, furtiveglance

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

Titus

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• working up the vote count count

[schadd_]

replacing gamma emerald

[schadd_]

Not_Mafia replaces Gamma Emerald

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.9 !

Greeting (4):

Frogsterking, Cape90, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (3):

KittyTacky, Toogeloo, Greeting

MalcolmTucker (2):

Not_Mafia, furtiveglance

Save The Dragons (1):

MariaR

Frogsterking (1):

Save The Dragons

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

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[schadd_]

@Mod :

I unvoted std, and didn't vote for malcolm

fixed

[schadd_]

replacing greeting.

[schadd_]

Alisae replaces Greeting

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.10 !

Alisae (5):

Frogsterking, furtiveglance, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Frogsterking (3):

Save The Dragons, Big Chungus Gaming, MariaR

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Alisae

MalcolmTucker (1):

Not_Mafia

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (3):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux, Cape90

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

[schadd_]

fixed

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Spoiler:

d1 final vote count

Alisae (9):

Frogsterking, furtiveglance, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, marcistar, Cape90, Enchant, Charloux

Frogsterking (3):

Save The Dragons, Big Chungus Gaming, MariaR

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker (1):

Not_Mafia

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Alisae

with 16 alive, it took 9 to blow someone up.

[schadd_]

Alisae has tragically been exploded! they were a

vanilla townie

!

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 13:15:05)

[schadd_]

KittyTacky has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

town fruit vendor

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.0 !

not voting (14):

Not_Mafia, Enchant, Frogsterking, MalcolmTucker, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons, furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, Charloux, marcistar, MariaR

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• thread unlocked
  
• and hello

[schadd_]

replacing charloux.

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.1 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

MalcolmTucker (1):

Titus

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

Save The Dragons

marcistar (1):

furtiveglance

not voting (6):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Charloux, MariaR

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• aeo

[schadd_]

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.2 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

MalcolmTucker (2):

Titus, MariaR

marcistar (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

Save The Dragons

not voting (4):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo, Charloux

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding toogeloo & titus

[schadd_]

mathblade replaces charloux

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.3 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

marcistar (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

MathBlade (1):

Titus

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding mariar & big chungus gaming

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.4 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

PookyTheMagicalBear (3):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade

marcistar (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

furtiveglance

MalcolmTucker (1):

Titus

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding not_mafia

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.5 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (4):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo

Titus (3):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade, Cape90

furtiveglance (2):

Enchant, marcistar

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

furtiveglance

Frogsterking (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Titus

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• ba ba ba

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.6 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (5):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo, Titus

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

furtiveglance (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• ba ba ba

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.7 !

furtiveglance (3):

marcistar, Frogsterking, MathBlade

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

Frogsterking (1):

MariaR

Toogeloo (1):

furtiveglance

not voting (4):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant, Titus

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• ba ba ba

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

d2 final!

furtiveglance (8):

marcistar, MathBlade, Toogeloo, MariaR, Cape90, Titus, Enchant, Frogsterking

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Titus (1):

Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (1):

furtiveglance

Frogsterking (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

not voting (2):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker

with 14 alive, it took 8 to blow someone up.

[schadd_]

furtiveglance has tragically been exploded. they were a

town novice JOAT (roleblocker, alien, tracker)

night 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-22 17:29:27)

[schadd_]

Frogsterking has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

town rolecop

PookyTheMagicalBear has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

mafia 2-shot follower

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 3.0 !

not voting (11):

Not_Mafia, Enchant, MalcolmTucker, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, MathBlade, marcistar, MariaR

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• thread unlocked
  
• and hello

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.1 !

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

MariaR

not voting (9):

Not_Mafia, Enchant, MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, MathBlade, marcistar,

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• waba

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.2 !

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

MariaR

Titus (1):

MathBlade

not voting (8):

Not_Mafia, Enchant, MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, marcistar

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• replacing save the dragons as well as big chungus gaming

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.3 !

Titus (2):

Not_Mafia, Toogeloo

Save The Dragons (2):

MathBlade, MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

MariaR

not voting (5):

Enchant, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, marcistar

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing save the dragons as well as big chungus gaming

[schadd_]

Lukewarm replaces Save The Dragons

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.4 !

Lukewarm (2):

MalcolmTucker, Titus

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Not_Mafia, MariaR

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

MariaR (1):

Toogeloo

not voting (5):

Enchant, Lukewarm, marcistar, MathBlade, Cape90

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing big chungus gaming

[schadd_]

JohnnyFarrar replaces Big Chungus Gaming at long last

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 3.5 !

MalcolmTucker (4):

MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90

Lukewarm (2):

MalcolmTucker, Titus

Enchant (1):

JohnnyFarrar

MariaR (1):

Toogeloo

not voting (3):

Enchant, marcistar, MathBlade

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-03 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• i'll go ahead and add a day to the deadline

[schadd_]

prodding MariaR

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.6 !

MalcolmTucker (5):

MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90, marcistar

Lukewarm (3):

MalcolmTucker, Titus, Toogeloo

Enchant (1):

JohnnyFarrar

marcistar (1):

MathBlade

not voting (1):

Enchant

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-03 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• waba

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

d3 final !

MalcolmTucker (6):

MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90, marcistar, Enchant

Lukewarm (3):

MalcolmTucker, Titus, Toogeloo

Enchant (1):

JohnnyFarrar

marcistar (1):

MathBlade

not voting (0):

with 11 alive, it took 6 to blow someone up.

[schadd_]

MalcolmTucker has tragically been exploded! they were a

vanilla townie

!

night 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-03 10:42:49)

[schadd_]

Not_Mafia has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

town novice disloyal vigilante

.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 4.0 !

not voting (9):

Enchant, JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, MathBlade, marcistar, MariaR

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to blow someone up. day 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-14 13:30:54)

modorator notes

• thread unlocked
  
• and hello

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Spoiler:

vote count 4.1 !

JohnnyFarrar (2):

Toogeloo, MathBlade

Titus (1):

Cape90

not voting (6):

JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Titus, marcistar, MariaR, Enchant

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to blow someone up. day 4 starts ends in (expired on 2022-11-14 13:30:54)

modorator notes

• bobo

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Spoiler:

vote count 4.2 !

JohnnyFarrar (3):

Toogeloo, MathBlade, Lukewarm

not voting (6):

JohnnyFarrar, Titus, marcistar, MariaR, Enchant, Cape90

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to blow someone up. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-11-14 13:30:54)

modorator notes

• bobo

[schadd_]

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Spoiler:

DOG

vote count 4.3 !

JohnnyFarrar (4):

Toogeloo, MathBlade, Lukewarm, MariaR

not voting (5):

JohnnyFarrar, Titus, marcistar, Enchant, Cape90

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to blow someone up. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-11-14 13:30:54)

modorator notes

• prodding toogeloo

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

dog

d4 final !

JohnnyFarrar (5):

Toogeloo, MathBlade, Lukewarm, MariaR, Enchant

not voting (4):

JohnnyFarrar, Titus, marcistar, Cape90

with 9 alive, it took 5 to blow someone up.

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JohnnyFarrar was made to explode! they were a

mafia 1-shot loyal bodyguard

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night 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-08 18:53:22).

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marcistar has tragically been exploded in the night! they were a

town even-night combined doctor tracker

.

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Spoiler:

vote count 5.0 !

not voting (7):

Enchant, Lukewarm, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, MathBlade, MariaR

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to blow someone up. day 5 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-19 21:36:52)

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Spoiler:

vote count 5.1 !

Lukewarm (2):

Titus, MariaR

Titus (1):

Lukewarm

not voting (4):

Enchant, Cape90, MathBlade, Toogeloo

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to blow someone up. day 5 ends in (expired on 2022-11-19 21:36:52)

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Spoiler:

vote count 5.2 !

Titus (2):

Lukewarm, MathBlade

Lukewarm (1):

Titus

not voting (4):

Enchant, Cape90, MariaR, Toogeloo

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to blow someone up. day 5 ends in (expired on 2022-11-19 21:36:52)

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d5 final vote count.

Titus (4):

Lukewarm, MathBlade, Toogeloo, Enchant

Lukewarm (1):

Titus

not voting (2):

Cape90, MariaR

with 7 alive, it took 4 to blow someone up.

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Titus was made to explode! she was a

town 4-shot rolecop

!

night 5 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-13 15:06:01).

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Toogeloo has tragically been exploded in the night! they were a

vanilla townie

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Spoiler:

vote count 6.0 !

not voting (5):

Enchant, Lukewarm, Cape90, MathBlade, MariaR

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to blow someone up. day 6 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-24 15:41:45)

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Spoiler:

vote count 6.1 !

MathBlade (1):

Enchant

Enchant (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to blow someone up. day 6 ends in (expired on 2022-11-24 15:41:45)

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Spoiler:

vote count 6.2 !

MathBlade (1):

Enchant

Enchant (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to blow someone up. day 6 ends in (expired on 2022-11-24 15:41:45)

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Spoiler:

vote count 6.3 !

MathBlade (1):

Enchant

Enchant (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to blow someone up. day 6 ends in (expired on 2022-11-24 15:41:45)

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d6 final vote count!

Enchant (3):

MathBlade, Cape90, Enchant

not voting (2):

Lukewarm, MariaR

with 5 alive, it took 3 to blow someone up.

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Enchant was made to explode! he was a

mafia night 3 voyeur

!

night 6 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-19 19:15:05).

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i'll do a fast night if all players tell me they want to

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MathBlade has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

town voyeur

.

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vote count 7.0 !

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 3 alive, it takes 2 to blow someone up. day 7 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-30 23:33:12)

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oh i didnt put a post on top... lol

Spoiler:

vote count 7.1 !

MariaR (1):

Lukewarm

Lukewarm (1):

MariaR

not voting (1):

Cape90

with 3 alive, it takes 2 to blow someone up. day 7 ends in (expired on 2022-11-30 23:33:12)

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Spoiler:

final vote count !

MariaR (2):

Lukewarm, Cape90

Lukewarm (1):

MariaR

not voting (0):

with 3 alive, it took 2 to blow someone up.

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mariar exploded! she was a vanilla townie!
cape90 was endgamed! he was a vanilla townie!

lukewarm survives and wins! they were a mafia goon! the rest of the mafia win posthumously

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mod thread viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89955
dead thread viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89960
mafia thread to come

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something i plan to implement the next time i modorate a game is like some way for mafia to highlight stuff for their replacements. in principle, nothing is stopping mafia from literally just doing this themselves in the scum pt, but also nobody plans around having to replace out in the future and also nobody gives a fuck about the game the second they decide to replace out. here's a writeup of how i'd put it in the rules

[some note in the setup post] (starting) in this game, i'll be giving mafia the ability to make a diary of messages to send to any future replacements to their slot. this is primarily to aid in keeping track of things like fakeclaims, and should have limited effect on gameplay. Im simply disclosing it. mafia should still look out for things their predecessors forgot or neglected to highlight (i'm not helping with this*)

[in the mafia PT] you can keep a list of notes for any future replacements. if you put "

highlight

" at the top of any of your posts in this PT, i'll send a list of those highlighted posts in the role PM i send to anybody that may replace your slot in the future. you are encouraged to do this to record any roles or actions you fakeclaim in the main thread. (as always, i automatically inform replacements of actions you did truthfully take).

*i think it just barely leans towards mod influence if i literally just keep track of fakeclaims myself. i think the aspect of it where i'm like personally doing the players' job doesn't really matter if i do it consistently because it doesn't really have a way to tip off info to anyone, but of course i might forget to do it sometimes and maybe it causes me to be more keen on the players' claims which in turn puts me more at risk of accidentally communicating something to someone.

really, messing up a fakeclaim because you replaced is just something that shouldnt ever happen. it's just like annoying extra work to have to do when you replace into a scum slot which i think people already don't like doing, and it's easy enough to mess up, and it feels like out of game influence. theres a small extent i'm willing to let a good guy with OGI beat a bad guy with OGI and do the extra work myself but also i dont want to. lol.

this is something from the mod thread that i wonder if anyone would have thoughts about

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However, I cannot fathom how this set up passed review

in various places, i've talked about the difficulties in making a normal setup that doesn't, uh, suck. maybe more specifically i think it might be true that every investigative role makes the game worse. i try to come up with fun ways for them to exist in setups, because people seem to want to have them - i think there's an appeal to feeling like "we can catch most of the wolves and then maybe the investigative can spot us the hard one". but that's kind of a Cop out, like a way to prevent towns from having to deal with the fear of any particular person being really good as mafia. and i think they're also just a bummer.

what makes investigatives a bummer for mafia in particular is that the #1 thing you always have to do in order to play around them well, is to figure out who has what role without them telling you. imagine a setup that's just 13 vs 4 where everyone is vanilla except for one cop. i dont think anyone would claim to have a problem with that setup (on non-balance reasons - in practice you'd call it scumsided), but it also sucks a lot for scum. sometimes the cop stays alive for a long time and gets a lot of results, just on the basis that scum weren't able to pick the right person to shoot. a common idea is to give scum a roleblocker to "deal with" whatever role, but what it actually does is just let you pick a next-best choice for who is a PR, and so the exact same problem remains: how do you figure out who is a PR? in all my time modding i can't think of a single person that could do that convincingly (probably it has happened but it's more of an exception. it's not a skill that visibly and commonly exists in the way that e.g. finding scum is)

i kind of like having vigilantes, because they publicly show information that helps identify them. if NM hadnt claimed n2, mafia could be like: who the fuck would shoot pooky? although, i guess they'd be working from partial information given that they didn't know the vig was disloyal.

adding a roleblocker to this setup has this enjoyability issue, where it doesn't actually change the outcome of the vig's action most of the time. meaning, even if you do the impossible and correctly select the right person to roleblock, most of the time they will emerge saying "aha! i have cleared this person as town" and be accidentally correct. and then on the other hand when they do it correctly and the vig shoots scum, it sucks a lot for town, possibly even up to the point of making the rest of the game just moot because there's an incorrect inno. i think doctor has similar problems although it's sort of easier for scum to use at least. i think it's a flaw in the setup that there's some occasions where the vig claims and then there's the whole doctoring problem, although those will happen rather infrequently. but to me, roleblocker and doctor don't seem like the way to do it. i could do something where i tape over the cracks a bunch of times by making the vig macho (i think strongman is problematic) and then informing scum that the vig is macho, and then doing something to the doctor that prevents them from wasting their shot on the vig (because that sucks to do), and then adding a bunch of pointless informs to town so that it doesn't seem like a scum characteristic to have "informed" in your role, and then etc etc. but more realistically i think i just eliminate a bunch of options from my future setups, which makes them blander but i guess i don't mind that. disloyal in particular just seems like it sucks. i've advised against it in past reviews but i thought id try it this time. woops. of course, the fact that i'm saying this in general tips my hand as far as designing future setups and there might be a time that scum fakeclaims disloyal in one of them and somebody remembers "oh schadd didnt want to use disloyal anymore" and so maybe i have to say in my rules post that i dont use disloyal. well, maybe i will. i dont know.

there's a bunch of other little quibbles i could make regarding the minor PRs in the setup - i think the voyeur and the rolecops don't actually help town very much (and they probably accelerate the rate at which town roles get revealed to the public), and chungus correctly notes that they found a way to deal with the baggage from loyal bodyguard (at which point they get to bask in the status of having what sounds like a town role). as scum you probably shouldnt ever actually use it. this is all what i think anyway. i kind of persist in thinking this setup is fine for scum in a purely numbers way but idk how i'd get anyone else to think so & i wouldn't really aim to controvert someone wanting to stop playing normals (when theme setups suck, they're usually interesting at least). and i've spent far too long here anyway. i always read people's complaints about the setup and i think about them whenever i make a setup i think about the potential problems it has and how i can mitigate the complaints people had from the last game, and then i run it and there's a new cycle of complaints. thats how it feels anyway.

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This is another immediate first-ballot inductee into the NRG Hall of Fame. At some point we should just give up the ghost and play mafia the way god intended, spamming Mountainous and D&C/Coalition.

if everyone agrees to join vanilla games i'll mod 100,000 of them. until then, viewtopic.php?f=5&t=72245

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maybe it sounds like i'm trying to be dismissive, or not putting thought into the stuff youre saying. it maybe seemed like a throwaway comment but i was telling the truth when i said i always read and think abt peoples setup complaints. i guess i have to find where i disagree on the factual interpretation of things and then i also have to find where i disagree with how to remedy the issues that are there. but i actually think you and i have a lot of the same conclusions. i dont like disloyal vig either (though i kind of stand by testing it out - unmodified vig is like kind of weird and uninteresting if you think about it but ppl still like having vigs. its fun to have a random red flip). i care about how things feel for scum, when i was talking to pooky i think i said that i spend more time thinking abt the feeling of the game than the balance (or something like that). but theres this point both of you kept coming to, which is "scum needs to have something to deal with this." and i think there's problems with any something you'd come up with. when i give scum a roleblocker it creates a small amount of scenarios where they pick good blocks (i think this generally happens by luck) and then a large amount of scenarios where they don't, and it maybe feels like it was their fault instead of my fault and so they dont offer criticism. i dont like that. i want scum to have truly actionable decisions to make instead of aesthetic ones and i think those are rare, and come more often from tricky town roles than like traditionally strong scum roles.

historically i seem to get more complaints from scum teams, which maybe comes from the fact that i prioritize things being clear to town (since theres more of them and things are automatically already unclear for them), and maybe also some combination of my theory abt how i dont give them roleblockers etc. and me just not being good at designing games for scumteams. i usually like to have rolecoppy stuff (since it also just decreases the variance of how long prs get to stay alive) which also i guess helps that feeling of agency but in this setup i prioritized having scum roles that look innocent enough and it was to the detriment of them being functional for finding roles. i thinki just didnt think enough about the timing of the even-night doctor & novice vig vs. the 2-shot follower. if a different wolf died u think pooky would have had one result eliminating a candidate for who was the vig which is i guess something

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another thing is when i refer to balance from a numbers standpoint, i purely mean how often id expect town to win. i dont think anybody really numerically analyzes normal setups, especially past micro size, its like too hard. i also just choose to think of this in terms of how i expect it to happen in practice rather than in theory, the thing i want for balance is for town to factially win as often as scum does. i also cant design around people playing their roles perfectly or even consistently well bc that doesnt happen, although i try to avoid things that would particularly suck under certain optimal decisions being made. there's just a lot of things with regards to avoiding claiming, claiming partially or misleadingly to scum, and generating a maximum amount of information from roles that people rarely do

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I don’t think people reviewing expected me to break the setup like I did

how did you break the setup?

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i think i got pretty abstract in my last few posts so idk if theyre helpful. there's games where roleblocker has a specific function it can have that fits into the setup. there's like a very mild charm in trying to figure out whether somebody who's like "i'm a tracker but ahh they keep blocking me lol" is telling the truth

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mafia thread viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89956

assuming pooky doesnt have any redactions

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dang, sorry