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Post Post #4975 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:43 am

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In post 4970, Toogeloo wrote:I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.
I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?
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Post Post #4976 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:46 am

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In post 4971, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 4965, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:RR is one of those that looks safe by mech but I sr a lot. But it would have to mean, probably, scum with t bone, right?

P-edit cool, I don't think either of them is the lim for tonight and I think is ++ town checking you or rr, either will help massively. Agree? Or will being checked not help enough?
Well, any of that couldn’t hurt, I guess. I think due to MMR flip, unless anyone has even wilder theories than Math and thinks MMR somehow bussed us, we’re pretty much confirmed not to be lunar scum, so I don’t know if any town night actions would be anywhere as helpful as town noon actions on us. Perhaps a tracker or even a jk or roleblocker on us could help? The obvious best action on us would obviously be some kind of watcher because our reasons for being so suss on Scarf is that we think they copped us or are otherwise somehow informed about our role and if they do know our role, it would make perfect sense why they’re trying so hard to get us miselimed.
So in a town you world Scarf would be lunar then?

Since MMR flipped role checker?
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Post Post #4977 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:07 am

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In post 4975, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 4970, Toogeloo wrote:I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.
I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?
I did. The only reason I changed is because unwd looked so much like Solar.

I would really love if we could get a solar today.
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Post Post #4978 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:16 am

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In post 4298, MegAzumarill wrote:
Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

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Deadline: 1 day*
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furtiveglance (2) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, unwnd
past Present Future(2) Toogeloo, Enchant

Toogeloo (1) furtiveglance,

Not Voting (7) Ydrasse, MMR, Firebringer, Mathblade, T-Bone, Past Present Future

Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
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Post Post #4979 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:25 am

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In post 4977, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4975, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 4970, Toogeloo wrote:I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.
I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?
I did. The only reason I changed is because unwd looked so much like Solar.

I would really love if we could get a solar today.
So how do you still think this?

Why? Scum is scum, why does it mater which one we take out? I’m going to be happy in either case. What I hope doesn’t happen again is another last minute compromise wagon like we had on d1, those are much greater > rand likely to hit town.
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Post Post #4980 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:27 am

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In post 4979, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 4977, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4975, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 4970, Toogeloo wrote:I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.
I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?
I did. The only reason I changed is because unwd looked so much like Solar.

I would really love if we could get a solar today.
So how do you still think this?

Why? Scum is scum, why does it mater which one we take out? I’m going to be happy in either case. What I hope doesn’t happen again is another last minute compromise wagon like we had on d1, those are much greater > rand likely to hit town.
Conversion scum is a greater threat than a flat team scum.

There’s associatives that can be taken care of later for lunar scum.
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Post Post #4981 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:51 am

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Okay I see your reasoning with this but I’m definitely not going to cry if we hit a lunar. And also, counterpoint, if we wipe out an entire team, then it becomes like singleball and easier to solve but I do see merit in the associative argument as well.

I just want to hit scum and I really don’t particularly care which.
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Post Post #4982 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:01 am

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VC 3.0.3

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Past Present Future (1) Mathblade, [E-6]
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With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

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Post Post #4983 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:08 am

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In post 4981, Past Present Future wrote:Okay I see your reasoning with this but I’m definitely not going to cry if we hit a lunar. And also, counterpoint, if we wipe out an entire team, then it becomes like singleball and easier to solve but I do see merit in the associative argument as well.

I just want to hit scum and I really don’t particularly care which.
I mean I won’t cry if we hit a lunar but if I am right and RRs burning prevention stops converts (likely unless RR converted TBone which is a cross that bridge if we get to it) then we have a bit of time to breathe.

The main problem is if we wipe out all Lunar on elims and no solar we can end up with…
MMR on Dawn 1 => Possible convert of TBone if RR is scum. Otherwise likely failed.
Lunar on Dusk 2 => Lunar kill (12 alive)
Lunar on Dawn 2 => Convert here Solar + 1. (11 alive)
Wake up to x + 1 or x + 2 v 11 - (x+1) or (x+2) on Dusk 3

Let x = 2 then 3 v 8 cult game is the best case scenario. If RR converted TBone (unlikely but paranoia) then it could be 4 v 7 cult game

We need to hit a solar in order to stop conversion issues.
We can’t eliminate solar
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Post Post #4984 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:14 am

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It gets worse if X=3.

Now combine that with if I get eliminated d1 solar get vanillized and the tiny tiny lie I told earlier and won’t impact reads.

Solar has to die. Please. We have to keep teams balanced.
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Post Post #4985 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:15 am

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In post 4982, MegAzumarill wrote:

VC 3.0.3

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Past Present Future (1) Mathblade, [E-6]
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With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

Can we get some momentum on Firebringer? I feel like they're definitely Cult of some kind
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Post Post #4986 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:16 am

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It is 100% in Lunar’s interests to keep me alive because I am pretty sure they know what I am saying is true so I hope Lunar isn’t going to be dumb.
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Post Post #4987 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:16 am

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VOTE: furtive
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Post Post #4988 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:18 am

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In post 4987, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: furtive
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Post Post #4989 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:19 am

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In post 4988, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 4987, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: furtive
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I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.
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Post Post #4990 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:19 am

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In post 4989, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 4988, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 4987, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: furtive
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I hope for your sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.
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Post Post #4991 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:22 am

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In post 4985, furtiveglance wrote:Can we get some momentum on Firebringer? I feel like they're definitely Cult of some kind
And ur reasoning is what exactly
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #4992 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:23 am

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i feel 90% of what furtiveglance posts is just trolling. What am i supposed to take seriously here
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Post Post #4993 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:26 am

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In post 4992, Firebringer wrote:i feel 90% of what furtiveglance posts is just trolling. What am i supposed to take seriously here
You have done nothing all game
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Post Post #4994 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:27 am

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hi pot meet kettle.
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Post Post #4995 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:29 am

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In post 4994, Firebringer wrote:hi pot meet kettle.
I have consistently given reads and been active. We are not the same
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Post Post #4996 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:30 am

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keep telling urself that.
feels like ur trying to start some fight or get me to be active. Either way, not interested.

do u have anything of substance to think im scum or just this "ur not doing anything"
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Post Post #4997 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:32 am

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In post 4996, Firebringer wrote:keep telling urself that.
feels like ur trying to start some fight or get me to be active. Either way, not interested.

do u have anything of substance to think im scum or just this "ur not doing anything"
1) So you're not even pretending to be interested in 'getting active'?

2) That is in itself a reason. Lack of contribution is scummy, and when we normalise (i.e. nullread) players who do nothing, site meta suffers as a result.
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Post Post #4998 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:32 am

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Is furtive a Solar Goon who wants to die to protect the Cult Leader?
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Post Post #4999 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:33 am

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In post 4989, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 4988, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 4987, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: furtive
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I hope for you're sake that you're some kind of Cultist with a day kill. Because if not, it's just embarrassing that you've voted me with the amount of scum I'm calling out.
Like I'm not sure how you can post this with any amount of seriousness as town

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