Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[KittyTacky]

replacing Testarossa.

This player was in the game?

[KittyTacky]

Hi Pooky.

[KittyTacky]

The string of derp-phase-like "nothing" posts surrounding that post is honestly NAI for everyone involved imo. Easy for scum to blend in but also town can naturally engage.

[KittyTacky]

this is an average game

No the normals I remember being in were not this... lackluster. This is like an open game lmao.

[Scoliosis]

VOTE: geraintm

I've decided I like my pookythebear/herta/geraintm solve the most, and I prefer this wagon because I feel reasonably confident geraintm is scum and it gives more time to figure out the other slots.

[KittyTacky]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

[KittyTacky]

Biggest change for me over the last few pages is that I townread val and innocent villager now. Val asked me some questions I'm going to answer later today, knock on wood.

Explain that change.

No sorry, I've decided you're a clueless town and Pookythebear is taking advantage of your vote, and I prefer not to waste my time answering your questions since it seems clear your mind is already made up.

OK ad hominem. My mind is only made up because of interactions like this one, if you cared for engaging with me, maybe I'd have changed it. Vote stays parked...

[KittyTacky]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

Yeah maybe this is the issue, like the way they interact with everyone is just... huh?

[KittyTacky]

Scol I'm 80% sure is scum, skitter 70% sure just wrong town.

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.

No it isn't.

[Scoliosis]

Boy i am not a fan of Scolosis style of play for day 1. day 1 i think is worthless, and they are reading so, so much into everything.

I feel like it's NAI as town!Scol does it because they want to solve while scum!Scol does it to create content.
I'm leaning towards town!Scol because he does seem to be trying to do some solving.

It's true that this is nai for me, and this comment is ai for geraintm as he's shading players for solving (under the pretense of disliking d1) instead of playing the game.

[Scoliosis]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.

No it isn't.

It's possible that it isn't. I think it could be unwnd instead of pookythebear who is taking advantage of your blind tunnel, I'm a bit conflicted between those two.

[Scoliosis]

My mind is only made up because of interactions like this one, if you cared for engaging with me, maybe I'd have changed it.

No it isn't, you are completely confbiased, it's very easy to see.

[Freedom]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

Pooky explained in 232.

[Freedom]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

Pooky explained in 532.

EBWOP

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.

No it isn't.

It's possible that it isn't. I think it could be unwnd instead of pookythebear who is taking advantage of your blind tunnel, I'm a bit conflicted between those two.

What's the e there. imo you're just doing the Mafia equivalent of r/iamverysmart by throwing out terminology while being dismissive of anyone who points out contradictions or asks you to explain a bit more.

My mind is only made up because of interactions like this one, if you cared for engaging with me, maybe I'd have changed it.

No it isn't, you are completely confbiased, it's very easy to see.

I have a quite open mind nowadays and am willing to admit to being wrong, I just think you are scum due to your dismissiveness here.

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

Pooky explained in 532.

EBWOP

Didn't get to it at the time, sorry. It makes sense but I'd rather Scol first.

[KittyTacky]

And the townread on me is a pocket/appeasement attempt. Not falling for that bait.

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

is this actually scummy?

Yes imo.

[Scoliosis]

while being dismissive of anyone who points out contradictions or asks you to explain a bit more.

That's not true, I answer questions when I think it will be worth it. Notice how I responded differently to val than I did to you, that was because you communicated that you were asking questions because you were looking for reasons to convince yourself that you're right (or just scum going through the motions) whereas it seemed with val that they were actually reconsidering their position.

[KittyTacky]

I've asked you to elaborate three times now and instead you want to throw potshots at me. I know this might seem like a impossible task, but get yourself straight

They're just scum who had people see through their bull and are floundering.

while being dismissive of anyone who points out contradictions or asks you to explain a bit more.

That's not true, I answer questions when I think it will be worth it. Notice how I responded differently to val than I did to you, that was because you communicated that you were asking questions because you were looking for reasons to convince yourself that you're right (or just scum going through the motions) whereas it seemed with val that they were actually reconsidering their position.

No, I asked questions to try and understand if you have a town motivation behind your pushes. I thought that much was obvious.

[KittyTacky]

You are being deeply unpleasant and I don't know if you're worth reasoning with.

Just eject them. It's openwolfing at this point lol.

[Scoliosis]

And the townread on me is a pocket/appeasement attempt. Not falling for that bait.

This is what confbias looks like. If I don't answer a question then it's my fault because I'm belligerent, if I answer a question then it's my fault because I'm trying to appease. This is why I choose not to interact with certain players, it's just a waste of my time.

[KittyTacky]

Shut the fuck up Flavor Leaf

Alt outting should be a crime.

Wait.
Are you actually FL?
I thought that you were TSE.

I don't remember FL being this... crungled.

And the townread on me is a pocket/appeasement attempt. Not falling for that bait.

This is what confbias looks like. If I don't answer a question then it's my fault because I'm belligerent, if I answer a question then it's my fault because I'm trying to appease. This is why I choose not to interact with certain players, it's just a waste of my time.

When did I say you answer questions because you want to appease? Now you're misrepping me.

[Scoliosis]

When did I say you answer questions because you want to appease? Now you're misrepping me.

Okay champ.

[KittyTacky]

Okay bent spine.