Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Val89]

whereas it seemed with val that they were actually reconsidering their position.

That analysis is correct, but all it's done if left me in a spot where I really don't know how to move forwards.

I'm reading the answers in 280 and there are a few things that don't seem to make sense and it takes extremely liberal doses of benefit-of-the-doubt with regardless to things left unexplained for me to get to a place where I can see #20 and the following explanations being genuine town thoughts with a genuine town derp.

One the other hand, I was surprised to see what appears to be an decent attempt at

trying

to explain that process; and I'm willing to believe you don't have to be intimately familiar with me to figure out even from my play so far that I am the type of player who is going to pick over those answers and evaluate carefully if they make sense - I was starting to get the idea Sco was hoping to dodge having to explain and not make an attempt; and he has proven himself willing to say "fuck you, not answering", even to claimed TRs - and I also think there is obvious negative scum utility to charging about pissing everyone off.

My take-away is that I'm only further convinced that, regardless of alignment, Sco is nowhere near the easy obvious townread skitter wants to believe he is - I still don't get there if I try and think about if from skitter's assumption that they are an experienced mafia player but unfamiliar with MS site meta; and if skitter had such a strong read that colours the way she is reading the rest of the game (cf: her read on KT at 65) that as predicated on such an assumption - and the fact we are told that read is suddenly null as soon as that assumption is challenged - why not evaluate that herself?

I stand by my evaluation that I don't think the two are paired but I think there are reasons to think both of them scummy enough I don't know which flip would be better today.

Anyone else who is TRing skitter want to explain to me why my vote is in the wrong place right now? Pookies "scum!skitter has a tendency to flake" doesn't cut it for me.

[Val89]

[i have not been very engaged so far this game, can you tell?]

Yes, unfortunately, you can.

I'm asking myself if scum!geraintm makes that post. My initial thoughts are that geraintm smells like LHF here - if scum!geraintm's game plan is to hang back and lurk it down, they could have done a better job without this. This "page 17 was a bunch of crap and that's important to note"; "my RVS vote is being shading by scum" etc seem like they could well be surface-level thoughts by town not really enganing.

Actually what is this your I'm an inept clown scum game? I've seen that before.

I have seen some hints scattered around that indicate perhaps those initial thoughts aren't to be trusted with geraintm in particular. I'm feeling a touch on the lazy side, so if someone who thinks there are meta reasons to be reading geraintm differently then pointers will be gratefully received.

[innocentvillager]

Jesus this game went fast

[Val89]

Pookies 532 speaks to me; and I think Sco-Dann does have some equity.

That said; the Dann wallpost is

reasonable

and Herta is in fact a player I've been struggling to get a read on. Independently of that associative read with Sco, both Dann and Herta sit around null for me currently; and I can see both "Herta town on tone interacting with skitter" and "Herta scum because they are generally non-committal and vague" are both thoughts I can see town having, as is moving between them, although neither are particularly convincing to me. Given how I feel about this game right now, I don't think being non-committal and not really having a whole heap of outted opinions is particularly scummy here.

For the record, I'm also not one who thinks Tetra's pre-replacement ISO is anything that looks scummy and I find myself leaning town on Pooky.

[innocentvillager]

I have no idea on Scol anymore
Pooky very engaged from get go which is interesting seems like good content at least, still no idea what my read there is

very briefly skimmed some catch-up stuff

[innocentvillager]

I still kinda think herta is town and geraint is scum

[Ydrasse]

Ivy

[unwnd]

unwnd are you bad ;-;

i’m loathe to give the temper tantrum classic (a skill of mine) any towniness but i think scol’s reactions feel towny because it’s just like fuck you fuck you fuck you do this and then that and i don’t think at wha

Scol's behavior means nothing towards his alignment. I know this isn't what you directly posted but skitter saying 'why did you do that' and my only answer is that I was fed up. Then I put two and two together. I'm not going to address the emotions that came from that situation, but I do think that skitter's takeaway is missing some details.

First off, I'm confused by how she says that I got 'talked to' into scol vote but at the same time I'm just leveraging from pooky's push? I think that I've given a solid outlook on my diposition. I wanted to pressure Scol for various reasons and then shit happened and now we're here. I've been in contention with Pooky's read on Herta and I still am. I absolutely agree that his vote on scol was, to be blunt, quite bad. This is why I kneejerk unvoted in the first place.

[Dannflor]

Pooky, I'm deliberately playing less high impact than I normally would

[innocentvillager]

Y dann?

[Dannflor]

because I think it's +winrate for me to do that this game

[Ydrasse]

[Dannflor]

Also, like, if I had a fairly high profile scum partner in scoliosis I would not be *avoiding* interacting with them

If we were scum buddies you'd see some attempts at interactions at this point in the game

I guess that's not a very useful point as self meta but I'm surprised you think I would avoid interacting with scoliosis as scum with them

[Ydrasse]

why are you avoiding me the n...

[Dannflor]

your takes this game feel like the lack the kind of depth and precision I'd expect from you if you're town -

He said he was sick, basically your whole post can be explained by how he was feeling in thr last few days

(Also feel better dann!!)

I think Pooky is more referring to what I'm doing and saying when I am here

and it's true that I'm playing in a casual way and not trying to put too much weight on the direction of the game

but it's not because I'm scum

[Dannflor]

why are you avoiding me the n...

shh

[Dannflor]

if scoliosis is actually Flavor Leaf then I am maybe wrong to dissuade a wagon there

[innocentvillager]

Dann do you think you are readable atp

[unwnd]

Giving him any sort of attention is unwise

I'm fine with relegating him to a hypothetical investigation. He's just going to continue to be uncharitable and mostly flippant in reads. It's not worth dealing with and I empathize with pooky 100%

[innocentvillager]

because I think it's +winrate for me to do that this game

But y

Or would you just prefer not to answer

[innocentvillager]

Are we 100% sure it’s Flavor Leaf?

[Dannflor]

although I still feel like if Scoliosis v Pooky is TvT

which has been my gut feeling

Herta's hop on is pretty textbook scummy, plus like the rest of the stuff I mentioned, so that feels like an easier egg to fry

I'm not sure whether that looks like a bus vote though

[unwnd]

Yeah I'm very confident and the fact he pretty much responded to my callout

[Toto]

The guys pretty much scumclaimed at this point. Not sure whats the debate about.

[Dannflor]

Dann do you think you are readable atp

I think a select few people who are really good at the game could probably read me at this point

but for most people no

if it is needed for me to play more obv town I will do that but it doesn't seem necessary right now