Here are some quotes for you if you're interested in sort of where my head was at throughout the night
I guess the thing I'm most thinking about is in fact what GL asked me to revaluate. One of my biggest load bearing pillars of this game was that one of vpb and gl was scum, based on similar ideas with the kings wagons to the ones that are being discussed and my strong town read of Junko. This is also a huge part of my dwlee read in addition to the wagon thoughts and the just general i think slots that act like this in response to pressure are way more likely to flip town, which i still believe and i will take to my grave as a Mafia player.
Both GL and VPB just became way more likely to be town in my mind which means that if i have to think one of those wagons was scum it might have to be Junko. Plus i don't think math has made one lick of sense since he's replaced in.
That shift of Junko counter pushing gl and soft defending dwlee with me to get replacement voting them immediately in a more "they're definitely going to be limmed" game state matches how i would expect scum to act and the replacement shines a sharp focus on it.
Unwnd started to squick me out at the end of day 1 and johnny has done exactly nothing to reassure me. My read on rhae was based on them not likely to be acting that way as scum but i can definitely be wrong about that.
I agree with everything said about mastina.
In response to VPB asking me what I thought about my king election being quick
I was kind of surprised it happened so quickly, and at that time i thought it was scum controlled because I was extremely skeptical of what at that time I was thinking of as a group of four with you datisi gl and dannflor. You can see me expressing that in post 83 in this thread. Also in post 1741 in the main thread. I was going to put Dann on the council but decided against it because multiple people in this thread expressed skepticism and I decided to hedge against my VPB and GL paranoia by listening to them.
I put Datisi on the council because I felt the best about him of that group of players I was feeling extremely iffy about due to his contributions in trying to town case GL VPB and Dann even though I found those cases not really useful for me because I felt like they felt real fhpov.
My worldview was extremely shaped by thinking LLD was scum at that time, too. Those two things were pretty strongly influencing my council picks.
I guess my real question with mastina/unwnd boils down to: Does scum mastina react that positively to her buddy openly lobbying for her to be king to the exclusion of doing anything else at all? I don't know, but I kind of have a hard time seeing it.
So its difficult for me to see a mastina/johnny buddies world.
Not impossible but like...is that really how they play it in that spot? Feels like one or the other is scum not both the more that I think about it.
Theres more, but here's just a sample of where I was at about the game over the night.
