Newbie 2105 | Game Over

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VC 2.4

Tapiocaphobe (3) Spartan117, Bellaphant, Elmo TeH AzN [E-1]

Bellaphant (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Elmo TeH AzN (1) Tapiocaphobe

Not Voting (2) BlueSnakelet, Looker

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Day 2 Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-25 19:58:43)

This is the only real wagon on either Tapio or Looker all game.

All town wagon on Tapio?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you feel should be happening right now, and what do you have against BBT and Tapio other than BBT's trying to gamesolve and Tapio's asking for more activity?

Looker, talk to me about how your read changed on me throughout the game.

You scum read me, then appeared to think I was game-solving and ergo town, then started D3 with BBT is scum again.

I'm not sure I've seen any reasoning from you at all on these read flips.

[Spartan117]

Will switch to Tapio if needed but much prefer Looker.

Can you do it now please while you are here, thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

One mafia found, one to go!

UNVOTE: Tapiocaphobe
VOTE: Spartan117

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This looks rather opportunistic/hedgey.
VOTE: Ghardi

choo choo VOTE: Ghardi

i think i'm also okay with a p6 vote

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

VOTE: Spartan117 I think you may also be due for a prod

pedit: nvm

what's the thinking behind this vote

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Youre voting the wrong Blue

He's voting the right blue.

BlueSnakelet

is town.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

where are these votes coming from

so the read I have on yesterday is that me and NK15 pushed a greeting wagon hard, a couple of people jumped on, and the rest of town was conflicted.
with the flips we know NK15 (the biggest pusher) was town, so I know the wagon was almost entirely town-aligned, which makes me think scum was playing reactively to d1 and probably hopped on to the greeting wagon.
so out of the wagon, that leaves me with bbt, spartan, looker, and p6 (elmo's slot). imo BBT is basically locktown with his play. he's aggressively prodding slots and trying to sort.

spartan was really scummy in d1. he had very little to say after RVS, talked repeatedly throughout the day about how unsure he was of greeting's slot (172, 175, 199, 226/227) without seemingly any interest in actually sorting the slot, but is very happy to vote him once town starts running out of time. he does, however, have a lot to say (and an OMGUS vote!) on blue for bringing up something I actually thought had some water to it: the idea that scum!spartan is happy to let greeting eliminate himself. spartan says himself in 175 that he has little influence on how the push goes (i think its also scummy he then goes on to imply there's scum voting him by "wondering" aloud without trying to sort). I'm honestly surprised blue backed off on this read today; NK15's flip should make that read

stronger,

considering we now know a big part of the push was town.

i think p6's vote on greeting was also scummy. what struck me as very odd yesterday was the fact that P6 stuck to his RVS reads and continued to push bella and greeting as scum throughout the day. I initially read him as being misguided town, but even in 165, he's

still pushing greeting

off of 16. I honestly thought 16 was just a joke vote for RVS. why is he still committed to it so close to the end of the day? it reads to me like he's scum trying to join a miselimination off of reads he started the game with.

i don't really know how to read looker at this point. i think he might be town. i TR most of ghardi's posts and it seems like he might be trying to sort the game. i want to investigate this slot more.

bella and blue i still sort of town-lean, i want to also look at these slots more but i'm running out of time right now. i'll get to it soon, maybe tonight or probably tomorrow if not.

VOTE: Spartan117

oh i also don't think the p6 wagon at the end of yesterday was scum-motivated, so i kind of think looker's/blue's play was town. i still need to look at it.

side note i know speculating on night kills is an exercise in futility but NK15 being killed is weird to me

also i can't proofread rn so sorry if there's any mistakes above

i don't like the posts they've made and i don't like the time it's taken to make them even with an excuse

How is this different from Greeting?

what do you mean?

i don't like the posts they've made and i don't like the time it's taken to make them even with an excuse

How is this different from Greeting?

what do you mean?

Spoiler:

Greeting has done

[...]

0 scum hunting

.

That's not a good look, chief.

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having

0 scum hunting

and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

Did you guys pre-decide this push and blatantly untrue argumentation, which can be easily proven by just looking into my ISO, in the scumchat?

Elmo already has two votes Spartan and they have contributed nothing as of yet.

Can't find time to post content but can find time to explain why they're not posting content.

Takes 30 seconds to make a post about what's going on irl then an hour reading this whole game.

The crime seems to be more about not being present than doing anything sneaky.

like i said in 297, i think the behavior of his slot was suspect in d1. i find 307 and 312 particularly disingenuous considering I had just given my reasons for suspecting the slot

in fact, where is 312 coming from after 303? if they themselves think their slot should be suspected then why do they go on to make a post discrediting the push on them?

VOTE: Tapio

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shit. Was ISO'ing and refreshed on diff tab.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There are very few interactions between Looker and Tapio throughout the game and exactly 0 alignment solving.

I don't usually do pre-flips but, like, this seems obvious.

Can anyone find a single post from either of them trying to solve each other's alignment?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, Tapio weirdly town reads Looker for weak reasons and literally never reevaluates the read

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i don't really know how to read looker at this point. i think he might be town. i TR most of ghardi's posts and it seems like he might be trying to sort the game. i want to investigate this slot more.

This 'investigation' never happens and the town read is NEVER reevaluated despite being based on some weak sauce.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Talk to me about your read progression on Looker.

it's a sixth sense

This was Tapio's response when I pushed him on the read and everyone else in the game is like 'Yeah, that seems legit'...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can anyone find a single post from either of them trying to solve each other's alignment?

Quoted again because this is key.

[Tapiocaphobe]

Outside of defending themselves, during D3 Tapio and Looker have offered very little.

ok

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And the rest?

[Looker]

You say that Spartan is being scummy, but the result is to vote me. Then you present a shit ton of information on Tapioca, but the result/preference was to vote me. Why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I think Tapio is goon and you're RB'er.

I said as much earlier.

[Looker]

But you didn't say what was scummy about me. Is it PoE?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Have you not read any of my recent posts?

[Looker]

Yeah, the ones about Tapioca

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you feel should be happening right now, and what do you have against BBT and Tapio other than BBT's trying to gamesolve and Tapio's asking for more activity?

Looker, talk to me about how your read changed on me throughout the game.

You scum read me, then appeared to think I was game-solving and ergo town, then started D3 with BBT is scum again.

I'm not sure I've seen any reasoning from you at all on these read flips.

[Looker]

Those weren't flips; I was clarifying what Elmo was saying because there wasn't much to go off. It didn't matter, though; they never responded. Also, I don't think I started D3 with "BBT is scum again" - I think we started D3 with Bellaphant saying she JK'd you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It does matter because if you think I was game-solving then that would imply you were town reading me. It's a convenient excuse to use 'you were jailed' as a reason for your read when in actual fact it's just a complete 50/50 as to whether I was protected or whether I was stopped from killing.

As an aside, after driving through what turned out to be two mislims, there is no way on this planet I put myself forward to do that kill as scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Again, you have both just been online and there is 0 interaction between the pair of you.

[Looker]

I didn't think you were gamesolving; I was clarifying Elmo's sentiments. I could've used quotation marks but that comes across rude sometimes and Elmo seemed upset as it was.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see, why would Elmo have a problem with me game-solving? That literally makes 0 sense

[Looker]

Is it that you think I don't read Tapioca's posts or responses to other players? Or is it that you feel I have unique, proprietary questions that only I can ask Tapioca?

[Looker]

Re:Elmo - I don't know, which is why I asked. Never got a response.