Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[innocentvillager]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

complacency is bad

can you elaborate on your answer? I'm genuinely very curious because this was not at all my feeling upon entering this Day 2. Do you just "reset" your reads every game day? I don't feel like you do.

I generally don't reset but that's because I'm generally very lazy and I realized after watching Ausuka crush it in pictures that letting a read build on itself is a good way to lose games.

[Scoliosis]

complacency is bad

can you elaborate on your answer? I'm genuinely very curious because this was not at all my feeling upon entering this Day 2. Do you just "reset" your reads every game day? I don't feel like you do.

I generally don't reset but that's because I'm generally very lazy and I realized after watching Ausuka crush it in pictures that letting a read build on itself is a good way to lose games.

Sounds pretty convenient for an excuse to just FoS whoever you want.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

I guess we disagree on how dead gera was and how close the vote was because multiple people were clamoring to vote for gera and I don't think scol had more than 4 votes at the end?

[Scoliosis]

In before someone subconsciously associates pookythebear telling the truth about ausuka winning Pictures with pookythebear telling the truth about why he is throwing reads around at random

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if anything I'd actually expect Scol's teammates to be on Scol's wagon because it

looks better

in post analysis? If we flip them both and Scol is S and Gera T then the natural push targets on D3 would be the Gera wagon.

Conversely if Scol does go through on D1 - there's no reason why Gera wouldn't be following him on D2 with the way he refused to vote for Scol.

[Scoliosis]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

I guess we disagree on how dead gera was and how close the vote was because multiple people were clamoring to vote for gera and I don't think scol had more than 4 votes at the end?

I think the only disagreement is that iv's conclusions are unhelpful toward pursuing your win con, and you wish that iv would help you pursue your own win con instead.

[Scoliosis]

In before someone subconsciously associates pookythebear guiding iv toward second guessing his position (just like he did d1 to unwnd) with pookythebear being genuinely trying to solve the game

[Scoliosis]

Like how the hell you dont think unwnd is naive and gullible and not scum trying to get you killed is beyond me.

I could ask you the same question about pookythebear. The difference is this:

No no I'm fine with playing this out actually and like your perspective (of all fucking things)

VOTE: Scolosis

hyyyyyype

VOTE: scol

It was pookythebear's vote who created the flashwagon, not unwnd. Pookythebear didn't vote me until he saw that unwnd was doing it first. I feel like you fail to understand the significance of this, toto.

They had spent the prior like 10 posts mutually moving towards voting you. I think reading through that sequence is more important than who actually placed tbe vote first, as it explains the leadup/motivations of the vote

They voted within a minute of each other, and i would actuallu characterize this sequence of posts as unwnd following pooky's lead on the wagon, even if unwnd technically voted first

I don't think we can rule out either svs or svt the other way here from that sequence at all.

Explain. Explain how pooky isn't the scum and unwnw isn't the town in that interaction, and explain how the exact same dynamic isn't happening now between pooky and iv.

[Scoliosis]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

Similar, I was thinking that your vote switch between me and gera makes no sense really from an informed perspective.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok scoli why am I mafia go.

[KittyTacky]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

He wasn't urgent... why would he be? A borderline gamethrowing townie took the bullet for him.

[Scoliosis]

scoli basically already claimed VT when he did his "this town is bad and you all know my reads alrdy shtick"

i have thought about this some more and i no longer want to vote out gera

i think you are right that i am letting my raw hatred for his playstyle cloud my judgement and that it is unfair for me to insist on yeeting someone simply because i find their playstyle and obstinance completely intolerable.

In before someone subconsciously associates pookythebear guiding iv toward second guessing his position (just like he did d1 to unwnd) with pookythebear being genuinely trying to solve the game

resetting all my reads

these are off the table for me today:

Toto, IV, KittyTacky.

I want to know what Dannflor/Ydrasse/Skitter want to kill

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to put words in there?

[innocentvillager]

The quotes speak for themselves

[Herta]

Day started not feeling it will see tomorrow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get it

[Freedom]

Here's a sneak peek of my reread of d1, in order from left = strong to right = weak

Town toto, iv, val,

Town lean unwnd, ydrasse, herta, freedom, dannflor,

Scum skitter, kt, pooky

I will vote whichever one of my scum reads will actually reach 7 votes. I think voting someone other than those three names might be a throw, unless I'm making another terrible mistake.

Sell me on scum!Kitty.
He seems all right to me.

[Scoliosis]

Sell me on scum!Kitty.
He seems all right to me.

He's scum hiding in a fake tunnel on me for the wifom. It's not super common but seems like an appealing niche for him considering:

My Scoliosis townread is kinda eroding ngl. The last 2 posts just seem to be looking to be made to start an early push (it's 2 pages in) on pretty flimsy reasoning.

Scoliosis is obviously town and i'm starting to scumread you

By meta I don't think kitty's scum.

That's all I got

@herta i was going to ask the exact question but i continued reading and saw toto did and didnt see a point in asking it twice

But when you didnt really explain when toto asked you (71) i decided to ask 74

Usually when someone says something like 'i don't think x is scum by meya' i expect them to (be able to) follow up that statement with a sentence or two of an explanation explaining their reasoning and how they got to that conclusion

You've made the claim, the onus is on you to back it up, not on me to start reading old kitty games

I don't have any particular reason to disbelieve that statement, but i don't have any reason to believe it either, and i want to know why you made it

And i asked cuz i was curious if you had any thoughts on it

Fair enough. Every game I've played with kitty that he's been reasonably engaged and stick-to-his-guns as in going deep on a hunch and apparent genuine curiosity he's been town. There's one difference but I'm going to sit on that right now and let it develop to help my read because I'm not sure about an aspect of it.

I have used this strategy as scum before by leaning into how town states I should be acting. Also notice how the player eliciting this information for kt to use is skitter herself.

[Scoliosis]

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

In my opinion, kt was free to go either way with his read on me as of this post. It wasn't until skitter got herta to elaborate what he townreads kt for in 93 that kt decided he would stick with his tunnel on me, since he realized that would get him townread and require little effort.

[unwnd]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

Reading this made me upset

[Freedom]

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

In my opinion, kt was free to go either way with his read on me as of this post. It wasn't until skitter got herta to elaborate what he townreads kt for in 93 that kt decided he would stick with his tunnel on me, since he realized that would get him townread and require little effort.

I see.
I think I get it now.

[Scoliosis]

I see.
I think I get it now.

Do you believe it though?

[KittyTacky]

The quotes speak for themselves

♔ ♕ ♖ ♗ ♘ ♙

[KittyTacky]

Sell me on scum!Kitty.
He seems all right to me.

He's scum hiding in a fake tunnel on me for the wifom. It's not super common but seems like an appealing niche for him considering:

I'm tunneled on you because YOU'RE the one hiding, behind dismissiveness of my request to clarify your reads.