Gnosia Game over!

[JunkoChan]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

[Klick]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Not everyone you play against is actually a mastermind trying to 3d chess their way into your town list

[Marashu]

My only concern was that your ability is a One shot. Which I'm assuming it's not by how you are talking. That's my biggest concern with this game

Abilities in the source material(yes I know it) are usually

not

one-shot. I'll explain later. For now please follow the instructions.

This has me a bit concerned to be honest, because you're bringing up source, but in source the ability you are using is one of the few that IS one-shot per cycle. I think by now the people who would do it without needing explanation have already done so. I would love to hear some sort of explanation.

[Not Known 15]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Not everyone you play against is actually a mastermind trying to 3d chess their way into your town list

Not everyone is capable of preventing themselves from making a terrible entrance as scum.

[Not Known 15]

My only concern was that your ability is a One shot. Which I'm assuming it's not by how you are talking. That's my biggest concern with this game

Abilities in the source material(yes I know it) are usually

not

one-shot. I'll explain later. For now please follow the instructions.

This has me a bit concerned to be honest, because you're bringing up source, but in source the ability you are using is one of the few that IS one-shot per cycle. I think by now the people who would do it without needing explanation have already done so. I would love to hear some sort of explanation.

Per cycle, yes.
Which is, in MS terms,

per day

.

[Not Known 15]

My only concern was that your ability is a One shot. Which I'm assuming it's not by how you are talking. That's my biggest concern with this game

Abilities in the source material(yes I know it) are usually

not

one-shot. I'll explain later. For now please follow the instructions.

This has me a bit concerned to be honest, because you're bringing up source, but in source the ability you are using is one of the few that IS one-shot per cycle. I think by now the people who would do it without needing explanation have already done so. I would love to hear some sort of explanation.

Per cycle, yes.
Which is, in MS terms,

per day

.

Actually no, scrap that.
It isn't.
Yes, but the reason will become very clear when I explain.

[Not Known 15]

Actually, I think I can explain it now.

[Not Known 15]

Ok. My ability was activated.... and although it isn't strictly one-shot it is de-facto.
What my ability does is to inform Gnosia about their chances to get caught in a lie...
which means that the Gnosia have the information that my ability is real and the rest of the players has not.

What my ability does NOT do is to actually detect lies. That's probably someone else.

Which means it's mainly a TMI trap.

[JunkoChan]

Ok. My ability was activated.... and although it isn't strictly one-shot it is de-facto.
What my ability does is to inform Gnosia about their chances to get caught in a lie...
which means that the Gnosia have the information that my ability is real and the rest of the players has not.

What my ability does NOT do is to actually detect lies. That's probably someone else.

Which means it's mainly a TMI trap.

so why you decided to out this now?

[Roden]

I feel like people often get caught up in how

easy

something is to fake to the neglect of considering how likely a scum is to

choose

to fake something

I think there's a ton of scumhunting potential in figuring out what kind of people players are, how they're likely to make decisions, especially because lots of people have a much narrower range of behaviour than is usually expected when playing Mafia

But like, that's just my opinion, man

Heavily agree with this post on principle alone. Looking at motivation behind a decision or choice of words is is the best way to read certain players if they aren't a straight forward read.

[Roden]

What motive does town have in making insincere reads??

You've played with mastina; you should know.
She's not alone in forced reasons/faked confidence.
It's a valid tactic especially earlygame for generating a higher volume of valuable content.
VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN

Fair point.

[Not Known 15]

so why you decided to out this now?

I realized that there is no more use for it; it has been talked about extensively. People have already made their stance regarding my ability.
But it's also that you somehow trust Enchant, even after this reaction:

Don't do it.

It's bait. He will say "Scoliosis lied!!!!" and push you afterwards.

That's not a town thought progress(yes, I know, I am biased. It's still not.

[JunkoChan]

so why you decided to out this now?

I realized that there is no more use for it; it has been talked about extensively. People have already made their stance regarding my ability.
But it's also that you somehow trust Enchant, even after this reaction:

Don't do it.

It's bait. He will say "Scoliosis lied!!!!" and push you afterwards.

That's not a town thought progress(yes, I know, I am biased. It's still not.

hear me out for a second, imagine that I'm scum and I receive your message (I didn't)

what makes you think I go for the cop that has an ability that "told me" I could be caught lying or something

it's also pretty convinient or maybe inconvinient for you that your ability can only be verified by mafia

I think I'm sticking with convinient

[JunkoChan]

I thought maybe you caught someone trying to get in your good side or something, also I still see no reason for you to out this, without campaigning for people to answer to your post, how many of us did? like 3-4? this is page 15 on a large game, so saying that there's nothing more to gain from it is an understatement

[Roden]

Ok. My ability was activated.... and although it isn't strictly one-shot it is de-facto.
What my ability does is to inform Gnosia about their chances to get caught in a lie...
which means that the Gnosia have the information that my ability is real and the rest of the players has not.

What my ability does NOT do is to actually detect lies. That's probably someone else.

Which means it's mainly a TMI trap.

so why you decided to out this now?

Well, people

were

pestering him to do so.

Regardless of his alignment, I think the claim is true. It sounds more balanced than being able to just use RNG to catch Gnosia. I'd say whoever claimed to be Human is likely to be town, but if he isn't AC or Bug but is Gnosia, he could've talked about using his ability to try to clear his buddies during the pre-game.

My main concern is that he should've done a roll call or really just anything to try to get everyone to participate. Right now his ability is mostly ineffective.

[JunkoChan]

My main concern is that he should've done a roll call or really just anything to try to get everyone to participate. Right now his ability is mostly ineffective.

this is exactly my point

[Roden]

I'm thinking about the odds of Crew/Gnosia/AC/Bug I think he's just AC here. Crew would want to use the skill effectively and make it clear it only works if everyone participates, maybe even trying to appeal to those with flavor knowledge since they would understand how OP the skill usually is. Gnosia would use it to clear allies and make the ability seem more believable. AC probably quickly realizes that it can backfire and make his allies look suspicious if they don't answer, so cutting it off short is the better play. Bug wants all of the Gnosia to get caught ASAP, so he would want it to play out and hope the Gnosia get caught.

So yeah, I think AC makes the most sense in this situation.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

My only concern was that your ability is a One shot. Which I'm assuming it's not by how you are talking. That's my biggest concern with this game

Abilities in the source material(yes I know it) are usually

not

one-shot. I'll explain later. For now please follow the instructions.

But thats just it Ive learned about the source material and understand that they aren't one shot but we're not playing the actual game just a thing that its based off of.

[JunkoChan]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

[Elmo TeH AzN]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

[MariaR]

VC 1.2

narrow parking (3): Enchant, Marashu, Not Known 15
Elmo TeH AzN (2): JunkoChan, Ranger
JunkoChan (1): Klick
shiki (1): narrow parking
FakeGod (1): Roden
Ranger (1): Scoliosis
Not Known 15 (1): Autere

Not voting: (6) Jessica Rabbit, Elmo TeH AzN, Yume, FakeGod, shiki, Not Known 15

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-12-16 04:39:24)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

[narrow parking]

why would a town player fake a cop claim?

They wouldn't, because the real cop would counterclaim and town would be thrown into a shitshow.

This isn't a role madness game. The setup is open, and there is no 1-shot lightning rod kamikaze.

we have no knowledge of character abilities and how swingy they can be so idk how u can make this claim

[shiki]

VC 1.2

narrow parking (3): Enchant, Marashu, Not Known 15

yupyup both our engineer claims still voting together excellent

[Not Known 15]

VC 1.2

narrow parking (3): Enchant, Marashu, Not Known 15

yupyup both our engineer claims still voting together excellent

Why's that a problem?