House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm not 100% sure on GL and VP being the same alignment. Why is that being assumed?

I don't believe GuiltyLion would fuck up enough on a read for him to be town and VPB scum. And GuiltyLion is high confidence town.

100%.

I’m glad someone other then me realizes it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I want to be commander but if I am not it, I'd rather GL.

No, it WILL be you.
You’re the for sure town.

[UNOwen]

This post by GL made me decide not to challenge.

But this post from GL which said the exact same thing you ignored completely:

I'm leaning town on UNOwen. When I was looking through my old games i took a glimpse at UNOwen ISO in Situation Room and people were mistakenly scumreading him for similar things as this game (asking questions that don't seem to lead anywhere, somewhat detached/aloof thread presence). I don't think it's alignment indicative for him and i don't think he's done anything this game overtly scummy, so I'm curious what the case on him is here

???

[furtiveglance]

Challenge: VP Baltar

[VP Baltar]

I can only fight one person at a time sweetie.

[Thestatusquo]

I'll fight you furtive.

[furtiveglance]

I'll fight you furtive.

Yeah challenge me you Dwlee apologist

[Thestatusquo]

Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

[VP Baltar]

Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

Lol

[furtiveglance]

Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

You might as well, I think the game's up for you

[furtiveglance]

Andres bottled it by protecting last night

[fireisredsir]

Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

You might as well, I think the game's up for you

Andres bottled it by protecting last night

what

[furtiveglance]

Nah I'll just respond to your challenge by shooting you.

You might as well, I think the game's up for you

Andres bottled it by protecting last night

what

what

[fireisredsir]

what do those posts mean i don't understand

[Thestatusquo]

so far the claim is that my night kills are the person who was most town reading me on day 1, the person who was my strongest town read who was town reading me strongly on n2 and now apparently I followed that up by NKing the person who was most strongly trying to stop me from being overthrown.

You'd think after more than a decade I'd be better at picking night kills but sure.

[Firebringer]

I don't know if I like that Firebringer didn't accept UNOwens challenge

Firebringer, why didn't you accept

because u said to reconsider so i want more from unown to show ur wrong instead of just doing a duel.
I haven't had time to review ur link but im considering ur argument that this is personality.

"want more from unown" what is this supposed to mean/how have you suggested that this is your desire at all?

i want more from u in that if ur town here. I think ur thoughts have been very lacking in thought. When did u start scumreading me and why how about we start from there. Because if i just take this day as a whole, ur arguments rested on my not accepting ur challenge and me being affraid to die which should make no sense to u because I CHALLENGED YOU yesterday. Instead its this nefarious thing today of me going 'naah gonna hold off'.

Then u suggest its my interactions with dwlee wagon and GL? I was voting Dwlee.

The whole argument seems to hinge on him not taking the challenge.

no, no, no.
The argument is his insidious behaviour on Day 2:

Spoiler:

Was he saying this in council PT? Cause he was clear yesterday he wanted Dwlee first

Ummm...why you concerned with who goes first because....i mean u would be next if thats the case? Also could we talk about ur comment on mastina trying to pocket people. I feel like the more i look at ur iso now, the more i see ur trying to spread either paranoia or poisoning the well for trust between players....

I feel by play u have been mostly town GL at least ur transitions and where ur going seems to make sense from town!u. I am a bit confused now having gone through Luke posts about u, rechecking ur iso and seeing the points ur making with a more critical lense.

idk i feel a more town!GL question to me response would have been 'why me over dwlee considering luke was focused on dwlee the last game day?" but the way u asked it made it feel less like u were looking for my reasoning more than pushing me towards dwlee over yourself.

that seems like exactly the same statement. Can you expand about what's different between the two?

its the way its framed... i know it sounds like its asking the same thing, but one is like looking for my reasoning (the one i just said would be more town!GL) the other is more pushing me to vote dwlee over himself (manipulative instead of searching for my reason)

GL theres no way im going to be paranoid of Shea in this game.
He gave me the power to control who acts or not in the PR game.
It would have to mean he stacked the council with scum to control the PRs, he doesn't fear any of the PRs, or thinks im so bad that me being in this position actually helps his alignment out the most (i guess this last one might be pretty possible ngl)

I really think if ur living in a world where u think Shea is scum. You would need to really access his council picks more than u are. Like I think u should suspect me of being scum if u think shea is scum.

this feels like trying to win an argument

"Oh geee I was only sheeping Luke but now it seems every word you say makes you look like scum!"

Do you not see the convenience of someone suddenly interpreting GuiltyLion posts in the scummiest way? It's not a mindset that switches on and off. If you scumread GL's posts - that should be consistent. If you townread GL's posts - that should also be consistent. Instead Firebringer started a mass reevaluation just when the possibility of GL becoming a counter wagon to Dwlee seemed plausible. This is strategic choice, not coincidence!

Then consider Firebringers convo with Andres, which I also keep talking about:
Andres: "I think GL is town"
Firberinger: "Why?"
Andres: "Reasons"
Firebringer: "Okay I think council should consolidate on non-councillor"
Andres: "I'm voting Dwlee"
Firebringer: "..."

What is town thought process here? Surely any town would have the natural reaction of "oh I think the dwlee wagon is a good idea/bad idea because of xxx"? This seems very obvious.

But i did vote dwlee.....what are we talking about im so confused what context for this ur even bringing to table of this convo of andres. Are u saying i defended dwlee at some point by not jumping on with andres at this point?

[Thestatusquo]

(worthwhile to note that math thought I was scum after replacing in, but that's not good hyperbole.)

[Firebringer]

I followed that up by NKing the person who was most strongly trying to stop me from being overthrown.

i feel like this was me the hardest outspoken about not overthrowing u. But i have no clue what andres said in the more important chat of kingsguard to deter overthrowing.
So theres that.

[Firebringer]

i really just want to talk to GL right now.

[Thestatusquo]

So do it.

[Firebringer]

I the Paramount of Reach challenge Lord furtiveglance
Tarly to a duel

[Firebringer]

So do it.

He not on

[furtiveglance]

Go on then

Accept Firebringer's challenge

[Firebringer]

Spicy

[Roden]

Spoiler:

Ok, so here is my actual concern and maybe i'm fucking crazy, but I don't care.

Datisi is traditionally extremely good at playing cop in my experience. In both those games linked, Datisi got guilties immediately on scum. Hell, first time I came back to the site, Datisi guiltied me without knowing my meta at all. So I'm just sitting here like, wtf is going on this game? That's not evidence alone, but it has me tweaked for sure because I was sort of expecting town!datisi to have proven himself by the second shot.

Datisi has also seemed very placating this game. He isn't really mixing it up with anyone (except dwlee) in a way that feels like Datisi when he wants someone dead. There's no paranoia about me being expressed, and I felt like the town read on me was abnormally easy. I've kind of set this aside because I was willing to trust in my datisi town read, but the results have me very concerned this was a ploy to keep me placated. I think scum!tisi knows I'm more willing to give him some leeway when I'm town.

I'm also bugged by the fact that both of Datisi's cop results are leading to people heading directly into council slots. Now, this makes a certain amount of sense if you trust Datisi, but it did occur to me this morning that the whole "kill Johnny and use that as a way to appoint Mastina prince" plan originated with Datisi. I felt like that was a very weird thought to just randomly have, especially when Datisi has been a little disengaged at times this game. Still, it felt like it could be real yesterday. Now, we have Andres dying (which feels like a weird scum shot to me despite him being widely townread), and the result just happens to be on Titus so she is the obvious choice to be Kingsguard Commander? That's a major fucking coincidence I do not like at all.

Titus is playing weird all game saying she wants chaos, and in the Kingsguard thread made a strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

I also started thinking about why the fuck the tracker keeps dying (seems worthwhile if you're hiding scum actions on council) and why Pooky would make a game that just results in follow the cop if town makes semi-reasonable choices on D1. There is just a lot of fuckey shit that's happening and I'm tinfoiling out of my brain that this is all a big risky scum play to sway or change council control.

Someone tell me I'm insane and have me committed.

Like of course that entire plan would crumble if Datisi ever flipped, but you'd have to be a paranoid maniac to flip the cop.

Hi.