Gnosia Game over!

[Klick]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

Faaaaaaake

Not fake.

[Scoliosis]

Klick, please let me try asking one more time in a slightly different way:

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

no talk ongoing game please

Point still stands. Even then you haven't liked anything I've had to say and honestly it takes a toll. Either way have a good weekend.

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

Do the above resemble any posts you've seen elmo make when they were angry as either alignment?

[Klick]

I think Ranger is town who is townreading scum.

I like this take while feeling agnostic about my own Ranger read

[Klick]

Klick, please let me try asking one more time in a slightly different way:

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

no talk ongoing game please

Point still stands. Even then you haven't liked anything I've had to say and honestly it takes a toll. Either way have a good weekend.

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

Do the above resemble any posts you've seen elmo make when they were angry as either alignment?

Yes. This is characteristic of Elmo.

[Freedom]

I can sadly say that this is NAI for freedom

(sorry freedom)

I think there's a difference between being nai and having a vague resemblance to how freedom plays as town. I feel like if I look at freedom's completed games I will see they always ask a lot of questions but in their town game there will also be some actual thought behind them. I don't think freedom should be allowed to survive this day phase without a substantial improvement in their play. Looking back through their posts, I can find no reason-not a single reason-to think the slot freedom replaced into is town.

Well.
I haven't read half the game yet.

Okay..
VOTE: freedom

What do you define as actual thought?

[Scoliosis]

I'd like some further clarification then.

"pointing out VT crumb = Bug",

This was never a point that I made and I don't completely understand why you keep repeating it unless you are trying to infer what I'm saying based mostly off of shiki. I think this because I made one throw away line about shiki being a possible bug and never mentioned it again. After I brought it up though, shiki reintroduced the idea of being bug several times and framed it misleadingly to be the entire point of what I was saying, which it never really was at all. Therefore, I believe the underlying issue is that you are presenting yourself as an objective third party who has listened to both shiki and I, when in reality you have only considered shiki's point of view and are engaging me in bad faith.

[Klick]

Well. Everyone reacted, so i can admit.

I am not Engineer.

That was fakeclaim.

I'm disappointed but think your shenanigans are likely town anyways

the way they played around it is not.

me and fakegod (and someone else i forget) going back and forth about whether town/scum would cc and fam literally did not interact with that discussion once! even as a info play u wanna SPECIFICALLY interact with ppl discussing what alignment ur play comes from. enchant definitely saw nk15's claim, thought it was fake, and cc'd hoping to see who would vote him with not enough justification to figure out the real engineer. 100% scum info play.

If I were making the play Enchant made as town, I would tend towards ignoring the discussion about alignment. I'd want the claim to be legitimised and ignoring the idea that it's anything but TvS is how I'd approach it.

[Freedom]

By the way, my character ability can save me from being the majority vote if I win a dice roll.

[Freedom]

I'm not sure if claiming this is a good idea but I thought I'd let people know.

[Klick]

I DO think the play makes Enchant significantly +bug.

[JunkoChan]

A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?

[Freedom]

A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?

I think you're reading correctly because Ranger was the only one who I saw put NK15 above everybody in their reads.

[Scoliosis]

A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?

I think you're reading correctly because Ranger was the only one who I saw put NK15 above everybody in their reads.

Thought you hadn't read half the game

[Freedom]

I was basing it off what I read.

[narrow parking]

Enchant, why did you do that?

Also, 474 is pretty damn ai.

How do you even activate one?

Jessica Rabbit will almost certainly be readable over time at this rate

Do you have a read on rabbit yet?

Most likely town

this is statistically correct

[narrow parking]

idk where those other quotes came from

[Scoliosis]

(shiki pointing out vt crumbs is extremely anti town in a setup without day talk)

...nothing to do with shiki being a bug...again...very consistently do I not mention shiki being a bug as any part of my theory...

This is just confbias, it only serves as a point if I agree with the argument "pointing out VT crumb = Bug", which I don't.

I offered some additional clarification in 558 on the one point I thought you actually understood and in 573 you keep going on about a bug. I wonder why that is.

Scoliosis mentions shiki could be bug:

Shiki is the bug I think?

...sounds of chirping crickets ...

Shiki mentions that scoliosis mentioned they could be the bug:

Shiki is the bug I think?

i am not though i am interested in your reasoning

(unless you’re gnosia in which case sure shoot me and find out)

Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.

? you bugread me for suggesting that ranger may be bug / generate discussion regarding then say this

like

…

i think information benefits town obvious don’t really get it

Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.

? you bugread me for suggesting that ranger may be bug / generate discussion regarding then say this

like

…

i think information benefits town obvious don’t really get it

like

i think ranger makes sense as bug based on claim (which i am still thinking about ranger’s response to) and think investigation there makes sense and you’re like shiki is the bug! also ranger makes sense as the bug

which is rather

…

Shiki fos. Their reaction continues to be terrible (530)

IMO get shiki first for pointing out tpr tell in a game without daytalk. 464

Explanation for their behavior is lamist because it's basically an excuse of "trying to generate information." 498

Autere fos.

484, 495, 496 point out what I dislike about autere. I fos autere now.

I also fos freedom for having a bad iso, elmo I guess because their reaction to junko, and idk jessica rabbit as the last one I guess for being a wallflower.

she please

or it

if you need/want to use a pronoun to refer to me

——

still don’t get what you think is terrible about my reaction nor what you’re even bugreading me for in the first place since you agree with me

but eh

still don’t get what you think is terrible about my reaction nor what you’re even bugreading me for in the first place since you agree with me

but eh

I think you keep stating this over and over again as a way to actively avoid the issues I clearly explained in 519, which have nothing to do with whether or not you are the bug.

you said you thought i was the bug so i thought you were providing reasoning for that?

i didn’t point out a pr claim i pointed out what i thought to be a vt claim which seemed odd to me and possibly bug indicative

and i am human and that’s what i was doing - does that make it lamist? i dunno

Shiki is the bug I think?

you had just said this…

Shiki is the bug I think?

you had just said this…

Yes and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

so my thinking you were bugreading me because you said you thought i was the bug is somehow scum indicative?

like if you’re trying to establish that you’re smarter than me sure you probably are but that doesn’t make me mafia

It's obvious that you're weighting shiki's words in good faith and then using that as a baseline to derive what I'm saying, rather than actually listening to both sides.

[FakeGod]

Autere, I assure you I haven't engaged in any fakeclaiming or reacting testing.

My ability is real, and I used it because I thought there was a good chance that I may catch the traitor with it.

As much as I hate town players who lie, I think Enchant's post-claim position of telling the Coroner NOT to claim speaks for his towniness. (Because he knows that he's going to retract his claim at some point and Guardian Angel can only protect the Cop claim, and won't be able to defend a Coroner claim as well)

I thought his position was odd at the time, because as many people have pointed out, mafia will likely not shoot in the cop claims and Coroner claiming would have been the optimal play post cop claims.

Now, it makes sense.

[FakeGod]

We are in good position. We managed to get an uncontested cop claim through on day 1, and we can proceed to game solve using the Follow-the-Cop strategy.

Executing Enchant would be a low risk, low reward move I think, as he's likely a VT with a off chance of traitor, probably not groupscum, and certainly not Bug.

[JunkoChan]

We are in good position. We managed to get an uncontested cop claim through on day 1, and we can proceed to game solve using the Follow-the-Cop strategy.

Executing Enchant would be a low risk, low reward move I think, as he's likely a VT with a off chance of traitor, probably not groupscum, and certainly not Bug.

we should cop enchant somewhere down the line I think, maybe in 2-3 days

[JunkoChan]

gnosia won't know when the GA died, even if they kill them unless we massclaim roles, so the cop is free to check

[Scoliosis]

Hey fakegod, considering this is a follow-the-cop game where scum have no day chat for tpr hunting, I thought it might be especially pro town of me if I pointed out that I noticed you are probably a vt. I encourage everyone to voice in on this so we can "generate" some "information."

Don't mind me, just engaging in regular pro town behavior.

Right now i am motivated by pressuring narrow so he claims he is Not Engineer, so he won't pull claim from his ass if/after NK15 die.

i would be fine with everyone claiming everything today but everytime i’ve suggested that day one in the past there was a lot of pushback i think people find it to be Not Fun which is fine i get it

i

what do you

make of klick

seemingly being unaware that gnosia don’t have daytalk

while discussing what elmo would be likely/unlikely to fake as mafia

ie do you think klick would be likely to fake this as mafia

/

cheeky enough to do so while talking about what mafia would be likely to fake?

question also open to others i suppose

do you

make anything of

ranger basically claiming vanilla town?

do you

make anything of

ranger basically claiming vanilla town?

Why would you point this out?

would rather discuss it with regards to ranger alignment than ignore

it is like, if ranger town, sure mafia might have missed it though not very likely

but if ranger mafia, town might have missed and she might be able to claim later et cetera

and also like, ranger good investigation target because of claim

and it seemed odd to me that ranger would make that post outside of potential wifom and if the purpose is wifom then discussing adds to anyway, so

;

do you make anything of it?

[FakeGod]

Not sure.

I thought Shiki's 373 was fairly insightful.

[Freedom]

We are in good position. We managed to get an uncontested cop claim through on day 1, and we can proceed to game solve using the Follow-the-Cop strategy.

Executing Enchant would be a low risk, low reward move I think, as he's likely a VT with a off chance of traitor, probably not groupscum, and certainly not Bug.

we should cop enchant somewhere down the line I think, maybe in 2-3 days

I agree.

[Roden]

@Scoliosis

Shiki is the bug I think?

i am not though i am interested in your reasoning

(unless you’re gnosia in which case sure shoot me and find out)

VOTE: shiki

You know why..

After you make this post, you start casing her further. You don't walk back the Bug accusation at any point. There is zero reason for me to believe you're not casing her as the Bug.

still don’t get what you think is terrible about my reaction nor what you’re even bugreading me for in the first place since you agree with me

but eh

I think you keep stating this over and over again as a way to actively avoid the issues I clearly explained in 519, which have nothing to do with whether or not you are the bug.

This here just turns into a general suspicion towards Shiki, and I already gave my take on post 519.

I understand what your points are, I just don't agree.

540 and 557 indicate to me that you understand and disagree with exactly one of the points I made (shiki pointing out vt crumbs is extremely anti town in a setup without day talk) and you did not understand the points I made following that.

This is the only point where you call the VT crumb thing anti-town, and it's after I already made it clear that I think that you're casing Shiki as the Bug. And even then you still don't make it clear that you don't think Shiki is the Bug anymore. You never actually say that and you're just assuming that I'm not taking anything you say in good faith, when the problem is that your follow up posts to your "Shiki is Bug" post don't explicitly say otherwise.