Gnosia Game over!

[Freedom]

Reminder:

1. The Guardian Angel is not allowed to claim.
   Only the people on Guard Duty can claim Guard Duty.
   The Bug cannot be killed by Gnosia, however they will die if investigated by the Engineer.
   Gnosia do not have day talk.
   All character abilities are one-shot unless stated otherwise.

All Role PMs are out! Waiting for 14/15 to confirm.

(13/15)

So I think we really need to keep the cop alive at all costs because if they die, that will just lead to misims trying to lim the bug.

This is a good point.
I had forgotten that Bug can only be eliminated or killed by the Engineer.
This does make Marashu a bit suspicious.

[shiki]

Reminder:

1. The Guardian Angel is not allowed to claim.
   Only the people on Guard Duty can claim Guard Duty.
   The Bug cannot be killed by Gnosia, however they will die if investigated by the Engineer.
   Gnosia do not have day talk.
   All character abilities are one-shot unless stated otherwise.

All Role PMs are out! Waiting for 14/15 to confirm.

(13/15)

So I think we really need to keep the cop alive at all costs because if they die, that will just lead to misims trying to lim the bug.

noone is saying we should sacrifice the cop or anything like that;

but yeah the engineer killing the bug gives us more room as well

[Roden]

Shiki I don't think they're gonna understand why Doctor needs to claim now until it's too late AKA tomorrow when it finally sets in what a flipless setup means

[Freedom]

Wait.
The Doctor can't claim, remember?

[shiki]

Wait.
The Doctor can't claim, remember?

doctor is coroner

guardian angel can’t claim which is functionally doctor

[Freedom]

Wait.
The Doctor can't claim, remember?

doctor is coroner

guardian angel can’t claim which is functionally doctor

My bad.
I got confused on the roles.
They should probably claim then.
Though because we already have a claimed Engineer, it might make the Guardian Angel's job harder.

[shiki]

Shiki I don't think they're gonna understand why Doctor needs to claim now until it's too late AKA tomorrow when it finally sets in what a flipless setup means

idk feel like my thoughts on mech / claims and such have done little other than create a mess even if i still think they make sense so i’m probably just going to focus on finding a mafia when i wake up and hope anyone who has any questions / doubts with regards to me takes me up on my offer to talk / be sorted in whatever way

[Roden]

Shiki I don't think they're gonna understand why Doctor needs to claim now until it's too late AKA tomorrow when it finally sets in what a flipless setup means

idk feel like my thoughts on mech / claims and such have done little other than create a mess even if i still think they make sense so i’m probably just going to focus on finding a mafia when i wake up and hope anyone who has any questions / doubts with regards to me takes me up on my offer to talk / be sorted in whatever way

That's probably the only thing we can do tbh. I think everything you've said WRT mech makes sense and is the most effective way to play this set up, I just don't think most people will understand that if they don't have experience with this set up/the game beforehand.

What are your reads looking like right now?

[Freedom]

I just had a random thought.
How would we know if the Gnosia doesn't pretend to be Doctor?
I mean if they wanted to divert the protection of the Guardian Angel so they could NK the Engineer.

[Roden]

If Gnosia tries to fake claim being the Doctor, the real Doctor needs to step forward.

[Freedom]

If Gnosia tries to fake claim being the Doctor, the real Doctor needs to step forward.

I see.

[Ranger]

how can u possibly take enchant out of conf scum after that reveal?

Enchant was confscum via counterclaiming the town-NK15. His retraction demoted him from confscum to scumread.

I think Ranger is town who is townreading scum.

I think Ranger is town who is townreading scum.

I like this take while feeling agnostic about my own Ranger read

Please specify: which townreads?

{Not Known 15}
--
{Roden}
{Autere, shiki, JunkoChan}
{Scoliosis}
{Jessica Rabbit, Klick}

NK15 is coftown. To Klick, {Jessica Rabbit, Klick} should be both town. To Scoliosis, {Scoliosis} should be town.

Please elaborate. My townreads are fluid enough where if you make your case, you'll likely sway me. Which ones do you think are wrong?

[Freedom]

I think that Scol was probably talking about shiki as it seems to me that Scol was SRing her at that time.

[Ranger]

A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?

I wasn't alone; there were 2-3 others. However, 1-2 of them changed their mind.

Engineer best role we have. We not spreading protections on anyone else. End of discussion.

Agreed. Scum need to kill every non-scum invest target due to inability to kill Engineer. I'd actually recommend claiming only after an inno, so scum have split prio (can't target both inno and claim). Leaves open chance of scum claiming PR, but if we're truly worried, Engineer can invest claim.

[Ranger]

I think that Scol was probably talking about shiki as it seems to me that Scol was SRing her at that time.

That's fair enough, albeit that scumread feels like nonsense.

What's Klick's takes tho? And why? I want reasons for their belief I'm wrong; I can't be convinced without cases.

[Freedom]

I think that Scol was probably talking about shiki as it seems to me that Scol was SRing her at that time.

That's fair enough, albeit that scumread feels like nonsense.

What's Klick's takes tho? And why? I want reasons for their belief I'm wrong; I can't be convinced without cases.

I don't remember Klick's reads.
For Scol, I think that he explained it in 591, 596 and 602.
I don't remember either Klick or Scol making any cases, though.

[Enchant]

You probably misunderstood my words.

If Coroner or GD want to claim, I don't mind, go ahead. They will die though.

From my POV, there's 11 suspects and 5 of them are scum. Like, 45% of you are evil. If Coroner claim and somehow not CCed, then 10 suspects and 50% evil. If GD both claim: 8 people, 70% evil. With Engineer alive it not really hurt to not know alignment of who die. Let me demonstrate.


If Town/AC Follower die, Coroner will see them as Innocent (i think?). Engineer as well checks them as Innocent.
Bug can only die due elimination or Engineering. Idk if Coroner will see that (most likely not, i will clarify). Important that Bug can't be healed from being engineered and shows as Innocent to Engineer. You prob ask "wdm" but yep, Engineer sees Bug as Innocent and then kills them like strongman.
Gnosia will not kill self. Probably. Idk? Both Coroner and Engineer will see them as Evil.

Coroner is worse counterpart for Engineer. Only difference is that he can check only dead and can't do anything to bug.

TLDR: Coroner can claim. Just don't expect him to be healed.
I am against GD or GA claims.

[narrow parking]

don't think im taking my vote off enchant barring some damning case

[Enchant]

I had you as caught scum from point where you tried to prepare CC just in case.

[JunkoChan]

I had you as caught scum from point where you tried to prepare CC just in case.

"prepare safe parking space"

[Enchant]

I had you as caught scum from point where you tried to prepare CC just in case.

"prepare safe parking space"

wroom wroom

[Freedom]

You probably misunderstood my words.

If Coroner or GD want to claim, I don't mind, go ahead. They will die though.

From my POV, there's 11 suspects and 5 of them are scum. Like, 45% of you are evil. If Coroner claim and somehow not CCed, then 10 suspects and 50% evil. If GD both claim: 8 people, 70% evil. With Engineer alive it not really hurt to not know alignment of who die. Let me demonstrate.


If Town/AC Follower die, Coroner will see them as Innocent (i think?). Engineer as well checks them as Innocent.
Bug can only die due elimination or Engineering. Idk if Coroner will see that (most likely not, i will clarify). Important that Bug can't be healed from being engineered and shows as Innocent to Engineer. You prob ask "wdm" but yep, Engineer sees Bug as Innocent and then kills them like strongman.
Gnosia will not kill self. Probably. Idk? Both Coroner and Engineer will see them as Evil.

Coroner is worse counterpart for Engineer. Only difference is that he can check only dead and can't do anything to bug.

TLDR: Coroner can claim. Just don't expect him to be healed.
I am against GD or GA claims.

I see.
Though, GA can't claim anyways.
I do feel like you're making a good point but I think that GA should heal Doctor if Engineer dies.

[shiki]

Shiki I don't think they're gonna understand why Doctor needs to claim now until it's too late AKA tomorrow when it finally sets in what a flipless setup means

idk feel like my thoughts on mech / claims and such have done little other than create a mess even if i still think they make sense so i’m probably just going to focus on finding a mafia when i wake up and hope anyone who has any questions / doubts with regards to me takes me up on my offer to talk / be sorted in whatever way

That's probably the only thing we can do tbh. I think everything you've said WRT mech makes sense and is the most effective way to play this set up, I just don't think most people will understand that if they don't have experience with this set up/the game beforehand.

What are your reads looking like right now?

i don't really know how to weigh some of the things against eachother but will go slot by slot and compile thoughts

i think part of the difficulty is that some of the things are based on a very low volume of posts;

like my main thought with regards to marashu is that marashu felt like present in a towny way very early in the game but that wasn't really maintained and little else; don't know what to make of recent posts

[shiki]

for scoliosis it is like,

doesn't always feels like scoliosis believes in push but like i said earlier could just be a playstyle thing

like it's very hard to tell the difference between

exaggerated because scoliosis feels that is best way to present thoughts to sort whoever is on receiving end

and

missing on trying to have the right amount of conviction

but because it's consistent willing to give benefit of doubt and say that it's playstyle

have thought a few times that scoliosis could be like, reapplying things from the thread to other situations - my saying scoliosis may have been doing something with the sole purpose of generating content -> scoliosis then saying that my explaining why i was asking about ranger's claim was me falsely saying i was trying to generate content for example - but it is like, do mafia really do that sort of thing very often? probably not

[shiki]

for marashu most of my thoughts are above other than like,

recent interactions could be angled towards me

but i have posted a lot and it's a very small sample size, so