House of the Dragon - Game Over!

Firebringer · Post Post #4775 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:56 pm

Okay i see. That makes sense.
Not gonna vote there but ur pov makes sense.

I did say in council chat as crazy theory talk if dats played the game to get mastina as prince with fake clear and then had somehow organized the kingsguard to kill Shea i would nom him for a scummy for brilliant scum play.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4776 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:57 pm

In post 4773, GuiltyLion wrote:My hero solve is FB/Datisi/Mastina

Quote this post-game my friends

I mean FB does fit the slot, right?

In a town enough position to be able to endgame once Datisi and Mastina are caught

Resiliant to the Datisi death, wants to delay it as long as possible...

It fits. Not sure that means it's TRUE but it fits.

Anyway if you want to be an actual hero kill Datisi with me.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4777 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:57 pm

@Shea, did anyone encourage you to make Mastina Prince in the council PT? I know I was advocating for it but I was still surprised when you did it, who else encouraged that idea?

fireisredsir · Post Post #4778 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:57 pm

In post 4694, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 4668, furtiveglance wrote:Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next
I actually vibe with the thought process here and I don't see any scum!incentive to post this? like this is not survivalist, this will not net scum!furtive anything in the town!Datisi world, this strikes me as an unintuitive post to make as scum.

fireisred, do you really think "forgetting his read" is more likely to come from scum here specifically, I don't see that as a contradiction or indicative of scum mindset. I can believe a town!furtiive had a read on LLD decay over the course of ~2000 posts.

mmm this is somewhat convincing maybe you're right

i definitely agree that i found the LLD green check to be hard to believe. it just felt to me like furtive was trying to mimic that general town sentiment that was clearly hovering around in order to fit in, and it wasn't a natural evolution of thought from him

thats the motivation i had in mind at least

Firebringer · Post Post #4779 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:58 pm

In post 4773, GuiltyLion wrote:My hero solve is FB/Datisi/Mastina

Quote this post-game my friends

did u notice i never did my early game hero solve this game.
Should have done it. I kept going back yesterday being like "didn't i do this?" and didn't have one. I am very disappointed in day 1 firebringer

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4780 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:58 pm

In post 4775, Firebringer wrote:Okay i see. That makes sense.
Not gonna vote there but ur pov makes sense.

I did say in council chat as crazy theory talk if dats played the game to get mastina as prince with fake clear and then had somehow organized the kingsguard to kill Shea i would nom him for a scummy for brilliant scum play.

I won't ever allow a King execution that does not also execute the Prince. Right now it's 3+leader right?

If it comes 2-1 to me, I'll be the 2 that forces no kill.

If it comes 3-0 to me, I'll be the 4 that kills BOTH.

No other outcome will occur under my watch.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4781 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:59 pm

VOTE: Datisi

fireisredsir · Post Post #4782 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:00 pm

i do actually find furtive's recent posts to be somewhat towny tbh

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4783 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:01 pm

In post 4782, fireisredsir wrote:i do actually find furtive's recent posts to be somewhat towny tbh

Then come kill Datisi with me.

Firebringer · Post Post #4784 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:01 pm

even in a dats scum world. The only scummy thing ive found about mastina is she townreads me.
That is just bizarre.

Firebringer · Post Post #4785 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:02 pm

In post 4782, fireisredsir wrote:i do actually find furtive's recent posts to be somewhat towny tbh

Council Strong Together, Fire

Firebringer · Post Post #4786 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:03 pm

u know what im going to be most upset about if dats flips scum and then we find out he lied about how much ability costs and been embezzling from the royal treasury with all these fake receipts. Truly the most heinous crime.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4787 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:03 pm

Mastina being erroneously cleared would actually make a lot of this game make more sense for me

I really don't like how she's insisting council is all town, and that FB was shot. I get that we very much may still be in a world where that happened, but her confidence rings hollow.

FB did you answer my question about whether you believe you were shot last night

Firebringer · Post Post #4788 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:04 pm

i think fireisredsir was actually shot not me.
to be clear on actions:
fireisred jailkept me
mastina healed fireisred.

dats/mastina/titus were unprotected

fireisredsir · Post Post #4789 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:04 pm

In post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.

Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO

this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to me

the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4790 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:05 pm

In post 4784, Firebringer wrote:even in a dats scum world. The only scummy thing ive found about mastina is she townreads me.
That is just bizarre.

Sorry, and I do mean no offense by this, but your opinion need not apply in this circumstance. You're so locked in on the secret circle of the council that ANY opinion you hold will favour them.

You could be scum or just town who is completely fooled. You said it yourself, that you would rather lose without changing your mind than win.

I'm not like that, I want to take the guarantee. Datisi must die for information.

ISO · Post Post #4791 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:05 pm

In post 4639, Enchant wrote:I think it's convient how mafia killed all trackers beforehand and when it was in firebringer hands they SUDDENLY got gigaplan to perform save.

What a coincidence.

I also think it's convenient how after the scum's kill failed last night, for SOME reason, we have players pushing Firebringer! (Or fireisredsir.)

It's almost like maybe, just maybe, the scum are upset at not getting their kill on the tracker

this

time.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4792 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:06 pm

In post 4789, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.

Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to me

the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles

The plan is already confirmed.

If Datisi is town, it goes to Titus.

If Datisi is scum, it goes to you.

We have the space to make this play, it's BETTER to make this play now.

Firebringer · Post Post #4793 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:06 pm

In post 4790, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4784, Firebringer wrote:even in a dats scum world. The only scummy thing ive found about mastina is she townreads me.
That is just bizarre.
Sorry, and I do mean no offense by this, but your opinion need not apply in this circumstance. You're so locked in on the secret circle of the council that ANY opinion you hold will favour them.

You could be scum or just town who is completely fooled. You said it yourself, that you would rather lose without changing your mind than win.

I'm not like that, I want to take the guarantee. Datisi must die for information.

i mean...i townread her before she even was checked or was on the council....but okay.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #4794 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:07 pm

In post 4788, Firebringer wrote:dats/mastina/titus were unprotected

This actually made me think on something

Say there is scum on the council but Datisi/Mastina/Titus are all town - they actually

can't

kill Datisi without outing themselves, right? Maybe you kill Titus or Mastina and pass that off, but knowing that these were the slots that went unprotected actually kinda just reinforced my recent thinking that scum on the council does have incentive to gambit

Roden I apologize for my pre-emptive snark last night, I was high and a fool

fireisredsir · Post Post #4795 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:08 pm

In post 4792, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4789, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.

Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to me

the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles
The plan is already confirmed.

If Datisi is town, it goes to Titus.

If Datisi is scum, it goes to you.

We have the space to make this play, it's BETTER to make this play now.

why is it better now? i don't get what we gain

Firebringer · Post Post #4796 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:08 pm

The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that.
Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4797 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:09 pm

In post 4791, mastina wrote:
In post 4639, Enchant wrote:I think it's convient how mafia killed all trackers beforehand and when it was in firebringer hands they SUDDENLY got gigaplan to perform save.
What a coincidence.

I also think it's convenient how after the scum's kill failed last night, for SOME reason, we have players pushing Firebringer! (Or fireisredsir.)

It's almost like maybe, just maybe, the scum are upset at not getting their kill on the tracker
this
time.

Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,

Come on. I dare you. I just got cop cleared. I've been pushing against FireRed for days. I've been calling the tracker deaths sus for as long too.

Tell me I'm scum who is using this from convenience.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4798 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:10 pm

In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that.
Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books

yeah this is 100% logical. As long as we have space to assign another cop (we do) there's 0 sense in killing dats and doing the work for the town. of course if dats is scum that's also a great cover but yes, this is logical

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #4799 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:12 pm

In post 4795, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 4792, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4789, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.

Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to me

the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles
The plan is already confirmed.

If Datisi is town, it goes to Titus.

If Datisi is scum, it goes to you.

We have the space to make this play, it's BETTER to make this play now.
why is it better now? i don't get what we gain

More space to operate with the same amount of information.

Like, what happens when we wait for tomorrow? How is that better? As it stands once we kill Datisi we have MORE information that the person we hand cop to will be town than ever before, we have MORE space to act on that information and decide if furtive or tohers are good elimiantions.

Killing Datisi first costs us 0 cop checks, it HAS to happen anyway, and gives us more info faster.

What's the DOWNSIDE here?