House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Execution Vote Day Five

With thirteen players alive - it will require seven votes to eliminate a player.

FurtiveGlance [6]:

Firebringer, Datisi, fireisredsir, mastina, ProfessorDrapion, Titus

Datisi [3]:

Lady Lambdadelta, GuiltyLion, Unowen

Roden [1]:

furtiveglance

Not Voting [3]:

Enchant, Roden, thestatusquo,

Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-22 21:58:35)

[furtiveglance]

I actually think this has been one of my towniest games - I've voted both Mafia, I've challenged multiple times putting my life at risk, I've had controversial opinions, I've been *somewhat* active

Literally don't know what you want from me anymore, unless the meta has gone back to townreading massive wall cases and lists

My other theory is that people on the council tend to trust people on the council, so if you're trusted to be on the council in the first place it just spirals from there and everything gets really stagnant

Either way it's a bummer

[furtiveglance]

Roden about to come in and hammer me

[furtiveglance]

1) The flip that yields the most information and averts disaster in the scenario of scum!Cop is Datisi's flip.

2) There is no way that the entire council is *mechanically* cleared, that's not possible. I as a scum!council member would use the information I got in the way that benefited me the most, INCLUDING falsely clearing myself by playing suboptimally.

[Titus]

E minus 1

[furtiveglance]

Anyway, it would be cool if TSQ randomly executed Mafia out of nowhere at this point

[furtiveglance]

E minus 1

ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet

Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm unclear on why today over a later day?

I'm pitching this to you in the most humble way I can.

I don't have the votes to kill Datisi today, I don't think. So at this point you understanding why this is valuable is key.

If anything I argue here does not parse for you let me know.

We live in one of two worlds, a world where Datisi is town and the game is more or less locked down.

And a world where Datisi is scum and we are in danger.

If Datisi is town and I am wrong to worry, what do we lose? We lose Datisi, obviously, but the cop goes to Titus and we can protect Titus so we continue to get results.

Additionally in this world there is no paranoia. All Datisi and Titus results are confirmed.

So that is the outcome if Datisi is town. If Datisi is scum, we never had a good cop to begin with so extra Datisi checks are useless, and knowing this in advance ans switching the cop to FireRed is advantageous for town. Provides actual checks.

Additionally, it gives us extra days to solve this problem we wouldn't otherwise have. Right now we are 10-3 which means we have 3 MLs minus duels. Each round we delay, the math looks worse.

I understand thar Datisi is a valuable resource but we are currently puttinf our eggs in one basket. We are best diversifying now and using that advantage ee gained by virtue of the lack of kill last night

[furtiveglance]

I think there's many erroneous Town votes on me at the moment, I'd like some feedback either now or in postgame as to what I've done wrong in my playstyle this game. I genuinely think I'm really obvious Town (yeah I kind of always do but this game especially, with the challenge mechanic for instance)

[GuiltyLion]

Titus posts are so bad it's making me wonder if FB is the pocketed townie and both mastina/Titus were miscleared, possibly because "no way scum!cop clears TWO buddies"

LLD is confirmed town to anyone who thinks Datisi is town, and is making a basic mechanics based argument for why flipping Datisi is correct. Titus should understand the mechanics at play here, yet she instead discredits LLD to dismiss her argument and doesn't seem interested or engaged with the underlying mechanics of it at all. Hard for me to see that as town motivated

[furtiveglance]

Titus posts are so bad it's making me wonder if FB is the pocketed townie and both mastina/Titus were miscleared, possibly because "no way scum!cop clears TWO buddies"

LLD is confirmed town to anyone who thinks Datisi is town, and is making a basic mechanics based argument for why flipping Datisi is correct. Titus should understand the mechanics at play here, yet she instead discredits LLD to dismiss her argument and doesn't seem interested or engaged with the underlying mechanics of it at all. Hard for me to see that as town motivated

Thank you, you need to lead on Datisi tomorrow and not roll with his fake guilty which he will magically find

[Titus]

E minus 1

ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet

Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present

I have a chicago cubs hat. This game is just on mech solve unless Datisi scum.

We test that world at elo plus 1 day.

Game is just simple follow the cop. I don't need to think. There's no VCA to do. I'm just bored. Not going to help scum though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah people need to understand that scum Datisi will make the following play.

Not die today.

Kill LLD tonight.

Get a red check on GL tomorrow.

Flip GL as town

And then Datisi dies and we have 1 ML and no info beyond Datisi clesred some people falsely which ones are bad.

That is a huge loss for us, more or less.

[GuiltyLion]

So its a simple follow the cop world with a town cop, and scum have been leaving the cop and all of his checks alive, instead trying to shoot FB or fireisred last night

Give them a scummy, that team sure is doing a great job trying to win the game

[Titus]

Yeah people need to understand that scum Datisi will make the following play.

Not die today.

Kill LLD tonight.

Get a red check on GL tomorrow.

Flip GL as town

And then Datisi dies and we have 1 ML and no info beyond Datisi clesred some people falsely which ones are bad.

That is a huge loss for us, more or less.

Then we doc you if furtiveglance is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

E minus 1

ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet

Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present

I have a chicago cubs hat. This game is just on mech solve unless Datisi scum.

We test that world at elo plus 1 day.

Game is just simple follow the cop. I don't need to think. There's no VCA to do. I'm just bored. Not going to help scum though.

It's a mech solve if Datisi is town and we check Datisi today too.

The only difference between doing it today and TWO DAYS FROM NOW lile Titus is suggesting is the world where Datisi is scum becomes WAY harder for town to win in.

[fireisredsir]

UNVOTE:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shea

It's a mech solve for the win if Datisi flips town today.

It's a mech solve for the win if Datisi is town in ALL worlds.

But we lose out if Datisi is scum and we wait on it.

[Titus]

E minus 1

ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet

Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present

I have a chicago cubs hat. This game is just on mech solve unless Datisi scum.

We test that world at elo plus 1 day.

Game is just simple follow the cop. I don't need to think. There's no VCA to do. I'm just bored. Not going to help scum though.

It's a mech solve if Datisi is town and we check Datisi today too.

The only difference between doing it today and TWO DAYS FROM NOW lile Titus is suggesting is the world where Datisi is scum becomes WAY harder for town to win in.

Who said two days from now? Unless my math is off, that's tomorrow...

[GuiltyLion]

I'm starting to think we fucked up bad by putting Titus as LC

Imagine the world where Datisi/Titus/mastina are scum. They are close to a scum king, a fake guilty tomorrow may be game winning already

[GuiltyLion]

Scum LC can prob unilaterally overthrow

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not tomorrow.

We are 10-3.

If furtive flips town and scum shoots, 8-3.

If we flip another townie and then scum shoots, 6-3

One more is 4-3

And then we are in ELO.

3 missed eliminations with no duels is what we currently have.

[furtiveglance]

E minus 1

ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet

Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present

I have a chicago cubs hat. This game is just on mech solve unless Datisi scum.

We test that world at elo plus 1 day.

Game is just simple follow the cop. I don't need to think. There's no VCA to do. I'm just bored. Not going to help scum though.

No hold on. Let's say at 9 after miscondeming me and UNOwen/whoever is town but sus, Datisi then comes up with a red check on someone like Enchant. What do you do then? Your plan can easily be disrupted by scum antics. And once you do successfully condemn a scum!Datisi, that doesn't out the remaining Mafia at all. At least one teammate is probably green checked right now, but how many? That would be insane confusion in late game. It's better to change up the Cop now, so we can either confirm our current green checks or get a Mafia out.

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: datisi

[furtiveglance]

New Cop pls

VOTE: Datisi