Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Isis]

I'd think defusing assembled indictment theories of what has happened is easier than developing them from scratch

Could it be that one is just more unpalatable than the other rather than harder to play than the other

[Isis]

Could it be the legendary +MV +EV?!?!?

[Faker]

I'm pretty curious about people taking demona-town at face value. Demona isn't deadweight and the pattern/style of questions is pretty typical.

The most town thing to me is just the "me-town" centric perspective that is akin to Slaughter Hour, but I view that with a very heavy dose of skepticism.

[Faker]

I also don't think giving up going to the Keep is a big L for demona-scum, if it's even an L at all.

[Isis]

(And am finding it really interesting that i'm getting vague nondescript opposition to that)

i am not opposed in case you thought my recent posts were voicing opposition to you joining the wall

like in theory i could maybe understand absinthe’s position that she was worried about scum!you potentially wanting to fool me but it seemed like she was saying that scum!absinthe would want to fool me because i am unfamiliar with absinthe but! i am not unfamiliar with you

but also like, if absinthe is worried about my ability to find the scums due to unfamiliarity with me, who would be the potential scums in this game that she wouldn’t be worried about coming to wall?

and i don’t fully understand isis’s objection you have correctly read me as town pretty consistently and i am town here and isis believes i am town so it’d just be one way threat

but also maybe i am not understanding

and like i said to faker we offer nice benefit of informed solving here at the wall

It's just a waste, anyone can find you town, dont use master ball on a pidgey

As much as I dont have great games with skitter i believe in the conventional stance about her general proficiency. And probably wall is mostly solved this game.
It may be a thought where if I zoomed out there's not actually room to include such a preference alongside my other preferences let alone other people having preferences

if i were swapped to keep who would you want to be the three players left at the wall? in terms of likelihood for town to win the wall

(also in the case of town!skitter, skitter’s proficiency would be a plus if noone was swapped because she would be able to solve the other two games knowing i was town and the third person at wall was therefore mafia)

I don't think playing around swap hypotheticals is ideal. There's a 22% chance you get swapped out of keep.
Also we need to win all 3 games. (As the general sentiment it's 2/3)
I just want to make all 3 games good games. At least one will be left untouched and maybe a second will have the swap not feel super material.

[demona]

just going to assume you’re doing the due diligence thing

(not that it was directed towards me anyway)

pedit: @faker

[skitter30]

Gate: Tempest, skitter, Coral

From my pov this is not my ideal placement

[skitter30]

Isis where do u think i should go?

Also ffery

Go fight Faker in Keep y'all both have big personalities.

I don't remember what the keep does

Also I read a couple posts ahead of this on catch-up but not more

This has apparently been taken

[skitter30]

If we're putting me at gate can it at least not be with 2 scumreads of mine? I think i get ic'd there and that won't be a fun time for me
I'm at a thing, will respond to the above later

If you scumread two people couldnt you do pretty well filtering between which one is better foundations? I'd think two townreads would be worse. Maybe I have it backwards though

I mean ideally i'd have one of each

Eh. I'll go if that's what's been decided

[absinthe]

Ffery - were you waiting until tomorrow to give your thoughts on that skitter/coral interaction I asked about or did I miss the response?

Also I’m not gonna worry about reassessing until tomorrow unless I see something that sticks out strongly.

I missed the question. If it's the area of thread I think you mean, I asked about skitter's Coral read on page 7 or 8. I didn't really like the answer, because I liked some of Coral's thoughts about the setup and how scum might approach it, particularly about scum wanting to lock in early. That happened in the first Fortress game. It could be a genuine thought process, though. Her early scumlean was based on different stuff from my early townlean.

"different stuff" isn't really accurate, I guess. My read was based on agreeing with some of the concerns Carol outlined and liking the thought process around them. skitter said she was thinking that looking at how scum might approach the setup indicates a scum mindset. That's kinda eh to me regardless of skitter's alignment. A player that's focusing on the setup will think about the scum approach regardless of whether they post about it. In this case, I thought posting about it might cause scum to proceed with caution, which gives up some of the opportunity to spread out as they prefer.

Thanks! I know I’m focusing a lot on that interaction but for me it seemed like a pretty important interaction wise, and I came out of it thinking coral was more likely town and either skitter or chara were more likely scum. So I was basically at does anybody else see what I see, and how I’m interpreting it or am I placing too much emphasis on a conversation that is not as important as i thought it was.

Yeah that whole section needs attention. Maybe tonight.

[Tempest]

Could be confirmation biasing here but this kinda sounds like a perspective slip. Like you know that we’re town and the gate will remain as is. From my point of view, with your stated scum reads, you should be expecting some changes. If coral and I are scum, one is leaving. If ffery and catboi are scum, one of them is moving. With your scum reads, you should be expecting movement, but you’re like ope gonna be the ic with two of my scum reads and it doesn’t sound very genuine.

[Faker]

Gate: Tempest, skitter, Coral

From my pov this is not my ideal placement

we're gonna make you WORK for the W skits, gotta use those hunting instincts where we need u

and also make ur life hard as mafia

[demona]

I'm pretty curious about people taking demona-town at face value. Demona isn't deadweight and the pattern/style of questions is pretty typical.

The most town thing to me is just the "me-town" centric perspective that is akin to Slaughter Hour, but I view that with a very heavy dose of skepticism.

I also don't think giving up going to the Keep is a big L for demona-scum, if it's even an L at all.

but also like

is there any point to this other than to say,

but wait everyone, demona is not altogether incompetent as a scums

are you

really

worried about me? do i

actually

feel the same there to you?

okayokayokay

sorry

[Faker]

1060 is about skitter right? I just spent a few minutes typing up how that didn't make sense for scum-fferyllt.

Even for skitter it ~might~ be a perspective slip but she knows that at least one of her scumreads has a good chance of being wrong. I think being worried about having to pick which to go with is natural, but also deal w/ it nerd.

P-Edit: It was inviting people to flesh out the read more, which didn't happen. I actually think this game looks more like Slaughter Hour than Trust Fall, where content was more scarce and reactive. I put little stock in that with low sample size.

I wouldn't really call it worry. The idea was to sow some doubt in anyone being lazy, but I was more curious if anyone would reply.

[Faker]

A simple way to put it is that 1052 is equally about you and about the players townreading you off of little.

[demona]

P-Edit: It was inviting people to flesh out the read more, which didn't happen. I actually think this game looks more like Slaughter Hour than Trust Fall, where content was more scarce and reactive. I put little stock in that with low sample size.

I wouldn't really call it worry. The idea was to sow some doubt in anyone being lazy, but I was more curious if anyone would reply.

A simple way to put it is that 1052 is equally about you and about the players townreading you off of little.

this is why i tried not to comment on it because like

like i can maybe see some value in this especially because it is sometimes difficult for me to tell the difference between town strongly townreading me and mafia who know i am town

but also

and you can yell at me for this,

but...



i am pretty okay with everyone being completely lazy about actually reading me here and just assuming i am town

[demona]

(and it seemed nearly impossible to me that town!you would have looked at that game and this game and reached the conclusion that they were exactly the same)

[Faker]

I'm trying not to yell at anyone this game, and I don't think that comment especially is worth getting upset about.

I think there's a lot of value in interrogating reads on you regardless of what they are, but you probably already know that and what you do is up to you. I'm someone who gets a lot of value out of seeing longer progressions.

[skitter30]

Could be confirmation biasing here but this kinda sounds like a perspective slip. Like you know that we’re town and the gate will remain as is. From my point of view, with your stated scum reads, you should be expecting some changes. If coral and I are scum, one is leaving. If ffery and catboi are scum, one of them is moving. With your scum reads, you should be expecting movement, but you’re like ope gonna be the ic with two of my scum reads and it doesn’t sound very genuine.

No, i just fear the scenario where i'm wrong and one of u *is* town and i have to decide which

[skitter30]

Gate: Tempest, skitter, Coral

From my pov this is not my ideal placement

we're gonna make you WORK for the W skits, gotta use those hunting instincts where we need u

and also make ur life hard as mafia

Apparently

[skitter30]

Should i just go to gate?

[Faker]

They're definitely not the same and I highlighted a difference

in that post

about the most important difference to me, which was the contrast with Slaughter Hour.

I don't really want to go too much further on this at the moment. If you believe that I should have you as hardtown because of the differences I've highlighted here (town-shiki centric perspective in Slaughter Hour, more reactive in Trust Fall) or some other thing I should have gleaned, then OK.

I'm a lot more curious to hear about other people's thoughts on why you're town than debate myself about why you're nulltown over hardtown when the answer is "I'm not confident in your range or in reading you at the current time."

[demona]

I think there's a lot of value in interrogating reads on you regardless of what they are, but you probably already know that and what you do is up to you.

me knowing that there is a lot of value in this is why i would understand that being a frustrating stance for me to take

sorry now i'm just thinking about this and i did not mean to imply that you do or should just yell at people

sigh sorry

[Faker]

If you're still confused over something I've explained I can go over it, but if the discussion is a sort of "Cross your arms and say you should be a hard townread" I'd rather agree to disagree and let time sort it out.

There's also no need to apologize, I've been pretty vicious before.

[Faker]

I'm having fun, I didn't mind the question, and I didn't mind the comment about yelling. I hope you're having fun too.