OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[MathBlade]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

I don’t like how you’re locking this in though
It’s most likely but I think town you would be paranoid of the edge cases and still hunt.

The only edge case I can think of making sense involves me not being town (that being Me/Herta as the scumteam and PBE as DA) I know this isn't true
And it's not like this statement is super reflective of my play in general, it's justifying the reason I have to give reads since my previous post about how I did actually want to sort was misinterpreted. The fact I shouldn't be sorting was not given by me, but PBE

Why do you say you and Herta can’t be scum, PBE being DA trying to ensure their death overnight and scum in lurkers?

I don’t believe in this world to be clear but I fail to see why town!you doesn’t consider it.

[MathBlade]

Can’t be town*

[MegAzumarill]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

I don’t like how you’re locking this in though
It’s most likely but I think town you would be paranoid of the edge cases and still hunt.

The only edge case I can think of making sense involves me not being town (that being Me/Herta as the scumteam and PBE as DA) I know this isn't true
And it's not like this statement is super reflective of my play in general, it's justifying the reason I have to give reads since my previous post about how I did actually want to sort was misinterpreted. The fact I shouldn't be sorting was not given by me, but PBE

Why do you say you and Herta can’t be scum, PBE being DA trying to ensure their death overnight and scum in lurkers?

I don’t believe in this world to be clear but I fail to see why town!you doesn’t consider it.

Doesn't PBE always get CCed in that case? Like who's the HN in that scenario?

[MegAzumarill]

And don't say N_M because they've made it clear their HN claims are in jest

[MegAzumarill]

I guess in that scenario scum are HNing themself and are outside of the DA pool. But that doesn't really make sense with a Toto kill, lowering the DA pool for town without shooting for the dayvig themself.

Sure it's possible

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

[MegAzumarill]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

I'm referring to Math's statements not my own. Why would I say something then immediately say my own words make no sense? Like do you genuinely think I'm actively discrediting myself?

Also what about automatically losing the game is not an autolose. Like.... that's the definition.

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

I don’t like how you’re locking this in though
It’s most likely but I think town you would be paranoid of the edge cases and still hunt.

If I’m town in whichever between Mega and Herta who’s not DA, I 100% self vote here and not only that, actively encourage votes on me. Because as town I obviously want autowin. This makes me think we’re likely looking at a DA/mafia scenario as opposed to DA town because the clear townie response is to elim me and nobilize the other.

[Polar Bear Express]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

I'm referring to Math's statements not my own. Why would I say something then immediately say my own words make no sense? Like do you genuinely think I'm actively discrediting myself?

Also what about automatically losing the game is not an autolose. Like.... that's the definition.

Oh sorry then. I’m really out of it. What exactly is your stance then?

[MegAzumarill]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

If I am scum being elimmed I immediately lose since DA is nobled

First one clearly does make sense because that is in the OP. What????

2nd one only puts scum at a great disadvantage but not autolose.

C’mon Mega we know you’re not this terrible at mech. Even I’m better than this at mech and I basically suck at it in general.

I'm referring to Math's statements not my own. Why would I say something then immediately say my own words make no sense? Like do you genuinely think I'm actively discrediting myself?

Also what about automatically losing the game is not an autolose. Like.... that's the definition.

Oh sorry then. I’m really out of it. What exactly is your stance then?

On what exactly?

[MegAzumarill]

My stance is the best course of action today is to elim me and noble herta, speaking of

HEAL: Herta

I'm fairly sure I should've been doing this already/ was intending to but I'm not according to last VC

[MegAzumarill]

If I'm town being eliminated in this context I win since DA is nobled

I don’t like how you’re locking this in though
It’s most likely but I think town you would be paranoid of the edge cases and still hunt.

If I’m town in whichever between Mega and Herta who’s not DA, I 100% self vote here and not only that, actively encourage votes on me. Because as town I obviously want autowin. This makes me think we’re likely looking at a DA/mafia scenario as opposed to DA town because the clear townie response is to elim me and nobilize the other.

Also I will give fair warning I will selfhammer if it would leave Herta as noble. I will not self vote without hammer given that scum could change plurality to another player and win. (Especially since my vote is the only one that would be counted for herta)



Should be a given but wanted to mention

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

[MathBlade]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

See I think Herta is trying so hard to seem like DA because Herta is mafia.

[Polar Bear Express]

My stance is the best course of action today is to elim me and noble herta, speaking of

HEAL: Herta

I'm fairly sure I should've been doing this already/ was intending to but I'm not according to last VC

Yeah I don’t think my heal is moving. but still would like your reads before I vote but yeah I think that’s the right course of action.

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

See I think Herta is trying so hard to seem like DA because Herta is mafia.

I just don’t think Mega sounds like DA to me but I’ll wait. Herta’s not town is my most salient take away. So my problem with your reasons is what necessarily makes Mega DA?

Why can’t Herta be DA?

[MegAzumarill]

Alright so I've caught up

Initial thoughts are that it feels like PBE/ Eirolox contains 1 scum, and the rest contains the other. The slot's have some good, some bad moments but mostly feel somewhat evasive and defensive at points (day 3). I also think considering a PBE HN, the NK tonight makes little sense.

Some of the interactions between the two feel natural which of course "can" be faked but feels unlikely. So probably only one of the two.

Tapioca/Mathblade feels like they could be the partner, but I feel like math/PBE handle this phase differently than they have as a scumteam with 4 votes. Considering they could have ended the day already provided the votes on me AND they would be reading me as DA if they were scum] (because they are pushing the opposite) this combination feels impossible as those would be incompatible.

Other options for the partner include

Not_Mafia - Token here for difficulty reading yada yada and so on. My default choice when I can't find a partner that'd make sense if they are in the game. Unlikely with Eira compared to PBE, due to HN thing, PBE maybe but this feels more town N_M than scum N_M for all that feels are worth.

I believe Enchant is town, in my experience with him he is more reserved in his scum game and this doesn't feel or look like it.

Scum almost certainly will push on the same side of me/Herta as DA today (whichever they think isn't the DA, they do the opposite. If they think DA isn't being nobled they mmay split, so depends I suppose on how close it ends up being.)

This derives my following solves (in order of probability) of
(PBE, N_M) (Mathblade, Eira) (PBE, Eira)

Eira is a bit townier than PBE in my eyes because of a particular post about my slot/ PBE that while false was fairly in line with my thinking reading through about how it was strange.


In either case Herta is DA. I could case reasons why but I don't really wanna so I'm not gonna unless push comes to shove.

Mostly still sticking by this currently

[MathBlade]

I think Herta is very likely DA here. I’m trying to decide if Mega’s town or mafia but we probably need to lim her just in case regardless.

Herta’s response is not townie, so if he’s not DA, he’s very likely mafia but I also think he’s trying to look like mafia, which means that gth he’s most likely DA.

If there were any other likely DA candidates left, I’d lean to thinking Herta’s just scum but because it really isn’t, I think he’s most likely DA here. He’s trying way too hard to not sound like DA here.

I would still like to solve Mega before I vote, eventhough I think she needs to be limmed just in case but rn leaning to nobilize obv DA Herta and lim Mega.

I don’t see how Herta isn’t DA after that last post.

See I think Herta is trying so hard to seem like DA because Herta is mafia.

I just don’t think Mega sounds like DA to me but I’ll wait. Herta’s not town is my most salient take away. So my problem with your reasons is what necessarily makes Mega DA?

Why can’t Herta be DA?

It’s too neat. If Herta is scum their only option is to sound like the DA. If they sound town or scum then we noble DA!Meg. So Herta has to sound like the DA or lose.

[Polar Bear Express]

I don’t understand Math why your take is that Herta’s trying to sound like DA because he’s mafia as opposed to DA trying to look like mafia?

Also why is Mega DA?

[MathBlade]

I don’t understand Math why your take is that Herta’s trying to sound like DA because he’s mafia as opposed to DA trying to look like mafia?

Also why is Mega DA?

Imagine Herta is mafia for a minute. In that world, Herta likely knows that Meg is the DA. Herta can’t openly argue that Meg isn’t the DA so he/they(I am unsure of your pronouns sorry) has to argue that maybe it’s elsewhere but really they’re the better DA candidate. If we noble Meg, Herta’s team loses. So Herta has no choice but to look more of a DA than the actual DA of Meg.

Meg is DA by gut and PoE.

I just think that Herta is too blatantly DA to be the DA. It reeks of desperation when the actual DA wins either way.

[MathBlade]

Actual DA wins either way of Meg’s alignment*

[Polar Bear Express]

While Mega obviously has to be DA if Herta isn’t, why is she DA by gut? If it weren’t for PoE what else points to her being DA?

Also, who’s Herta’s buddy here?

Yeah I agree Herta sounds desperate but Mega actually doesn’t, so there’s two sides to this equation, which obviously is why is Mega DA?

I’m going to ISO both of their heals yesterday. Junko waffled a lot on healing your slot, so why did she do that if DA?

[MathBlade]

You can ISO me for details as I have a headache but it’s more lots of little things that ping me. It’s more a collection of little pings not a case itself.

The DA itself doesn’t have the same desperation except to not be nobled. Herta is putting a lot of reads for someone who doesn’t care.

As for who is Herta’s buddy I have no idea. I honestly have a headache and haven’t done anything vote related here because it’s a 50/50. If there is a tomorrow then I will focus on it. As I said too much setup spec is white noise.

The amount of people on the Herta wagon is sus.

[Polar Bear Express]

You can ISO me for details as I have a headache but it’s more lots of little things that ping me. It’s more a collection of little pings not a case itself.

The DA itself doesn’t have the same desperation except to not be nobled. Herta is putting a lot of reads for someone who doesn’t care.

As for who is Herta’s buddy I have no idea. I honestly have a headache and haven’t done anything vote related here because it’s a 50/50. If there is a tomorrow then I will focus on it. As I said too much setup spec is white noise.

The amount of people on the Herta wagon is sus.

I’m sorry you have a headache but I need a lot more than this to convince me. And of course DA is going to be desperate here, both scum and DA stand to autolose here. Only town wouldn’t be desperate because wrong decision is bad but not necessarily autolose for town.
Also, how can the wagon be suss? If Herta’s mafia here than only one heal can be suss.


I wouldn’t say the amount of people on Herta is necessarily suss but perhaps a sign that I’m actually right because if Herta’s mafia and Mega DA, then most of his wagon is town. And no the setup spec in THIS particular case is absolutely NOT “white noise”.

and considering town can autowin today based on the decision, I don’t understand how you can even say that?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

So Mega put in even more reads, so what’s your point? DA’s objecive is to endgame but as long as they can acheive that, it doesn’t necessarily follow that putting in reads makes someone not DA. And what happened to you being fine with sheeping me? I thought your prior stance is we shouldn’t overthink it?