Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Faker]

Sorry skitter but I think it's plausible you go into this matchup. You saw me whiff a spectate and saw me struggle in both 2181 and PYP. You haven't seen most of our private discussion around games I've spectated and Open House beyond the cursory mention earlier this game.

1-1-1 gives a lot of viable swaps but swapping you/absinthe looks favorable.

[Faker]

Actual sick things sending absinthe away

Did you have a hard scumread on her?

I also thought you'd be pretty excited to see skitter here given your extensive meta during Slaughter Hour.

[Faker]

The actual sick thing is clearing Tempest but that was always plausible to very likely and IMO still a W

[catboi]

Actual sick things sending absinthe away

Did you have a hard scumread on her?

I also thought you'd be pretty excited to see skitter here given your extensive meta during Slaughter Hour.

The opposite, I'd been increasingly believing she was town.

[catboi]

The only thing giving me pause is the configuration at the gate but I have had few moments that really led me to believe coral was town

[Faker]

Ohoho someone finally came out to play, let's hear the reasons even though I'm sure you have them ready

[skitter30]

Sorry skitter but I think it's plausible you go into this matchup. You saw me whiff a spectate and saw me struggle in both 2181 and PYP. You haven't seen most of our private discussion around games I've spectated and Open House beyond the cursory mention earlier this game.

1-1-1 gives a lot of viable swaps but swapping you/absinthe looks favorable.

There's a difference between 'seeing you struggle in prior games' and 'putting myself in a matchup that i know i'd hate'

I don't randomly gain motivation as scum, and this would make me a lot less motivated

Either way my guess is currently still catboi/coral/chara, and that post from chara on the prior page os quite icky

[demona]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is

really

going to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)

[skitter30]

I think voting for isis is a loss there for town

[catboi]

On a similar note my confidence in Faker in the first phase was mainly done to see how scum would react to it, my anticipation was that in a world where Faker truly is town, scum would basically never let us stay together because I'd all but promised a vote there.


Additionally it makes more or less perfect sense in a world where skitter is town for scum to move her here because she's highly unlikely to vote for me.

[demona]

I think voting for isis is a loss there for town

so you think i am mafia…?

[catboi]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

Elaborate for me?

[skitter30]

I think voting for isis is a loss there for town

so you think i am mafia…?

Sorry i got the minigames confused, nm
But i think chara is scum there

[Chara]

i think she's been playing defensively since we started. it'd be the easiest win in a minigame for her to miselim me, though i do think her desire to go where i go is also a genuine "i want to play with Chara" feeling and not a ploy, just one that happens to also work out with her goals.

i was really hoping for this outcome because i think if Isis and i

are

both town we can find each other, even if demona if scum is being exceedingly town to me and Isis both. unfortunately the game has in a way just started.

i got sidetracked but my main reasoning is this is an ideal situation for scum Isis. i started considering it seriously in 236, it feels like she's been playing to me to make me easier to handle. (and that Coral read is very... i don't know, obvious?)
when i said i didn't want to be in a minigame with her and i just hoped she was town, she brought up the time i was rightly suspicious of her as scum. a way to make me more confident i can read her.

i haven't reread with this in mind re: the timing of demona's locking in Wall.

[Faker]

On a similar note my confidence in Faker in the first phase was mainly done to see how scum would react to it, my anticipation was that in a world where Faker truly is town, scum would basically never let us stay together because

I'd all but promised a vote there.

FWIW this was not my impression

[catboi]

tbh i had twinges of demona/faker in terms of how they spoke about one another but it was one world of many

[Chara]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is

really

going to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)

i'm not going to just yet, i'd like to speak to Isis first.

[catboi]

On a similar note my confidence in Faker in the first phase was mainly done to see how scum would react to it, my anticipation was that in a world where Faker truly is town, scum would basically never let us stay together because

I'd all but promised a vote there.

FWIW this was not my impression

meh

I don't think faker is scum trying to ice me out

or whatever I just think his view of me is biased by my recent games to forget i can also get disinterested like this as town, e.g. mini normal 2181. No one stands out as super obviously scum to me, everyone has had some moments that felt towny to me, I don't have leads. The quantity of posts is less an exciting mystery to sift through and more of a chore.

Not super explicit, but. I was pretty content to shoot down doubts expressed toward you.

[Faker]

1258 is very specific to a behavior and is not at all a read of me, and you were very explicit about not having any reads you felt strongly about.

1359 also isn't really true. It's about who town has to pick between. skitter is probably more afraid of my scumplay than any other player at the table. I'm not good at reading her and have got it reversed basically every time.

[catboi]

30 posts into coral's ISO and I'm not really seeing anything town

[Faker]

i think she's been playing defensively since we started. it'd be the easiest win in a minigame for her to miselim me, though i do think her desire to go where i go is also a genuine "i want to play with Chara" feeling and not a ploy, just one that happens to also work out with her goals.

i was really hoping for this outcome because i think if Isis and i

are

both town we can find each other, ]b]even if demona if scum is being exceedingly town to me[/b] and Isis both. unfortunately the game has in a way just started.

i got sidetracked but my main reasoning is this is an ideal situation for scum Isis. i started considering it seriously in 236, it feels like she's been playing to me to make me easier to handle. (and that Coral read is very... i don't know, obvious?)
when i said i didn't want to be in a minigame with her and i just hoped she was town, she brought up the time i was rightly suspicious of her as scum. a way to make me more confident i can read her.

i haven't reread with this in mind re: the timing of demona's locking in Wall.

Isis playing defensively is in line with Scumsman, where I had to push her to be less afraid and more proactive when posting around Alyssa, but will have to review.

I was curious to see how much of this was scum-Isis v. town-demona. The bolded makes it seem like it's also the second. Complete the circle? Sorry to make you, like,

work

[Faker]

30 posts into coral's ISO and I'm not really seeing anything town

I don't disagree but how literal is this?

[Faker]

Aight I'm still sleepy and want to nap, TBD if I actually will b/c I'm me, but YEET

WE IN BUSINESS, THE PARTY HAS BEGUN

[Chara]

i am already at work, so playing mafia is technically less work.

a lot of it is town demona, if we were in Wall with Coral or something i'd be at a much lower confidence level, but in that scenario i think scum Isis's motivation would be to get me to vote with her rather than setting up a 1v1 between me and her.

[Chara]

i'd also like to point out that between Isis and demona at the wall vs. the configuration at the gate, does scum Chara choose to duke it out against Isis?