Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[catboi]

1258 is very specific to a behavior and is not at all a read of me, and you were very explicit about not having any reads you felt strongly about.

I mean, whatever, I meant for it to look that way

1359 also isn't really true. It's about who town has to pick between. skitter is probably more afraid of my scumplay than any other player at the table. I'm not good at reading her and have got it reversed basically every time.

I don't follow. Skitter had explicitly stated a scumread on me at multiple points in the previous phase. I'm speaking from the perspective of knowing I am town (obviously).

skitter swapping to keep as scum with absinthe is borderline nonsensical in my eyes unless you think they did it hoping people level themselves, but it'd be probably outright -EV in both instances. skitter being scum with coral also feels fairly unlikely. She's not averse to extended theater with teammates but typically she'd need rapport with the teammate and the way the back and forth with coral went didn't feel s/s

[skitter30]

i was really hoping for this outcome because i think if Isis and i are both town we can find each other, even if demona if scum is being exceedingly town to me and Isis both. unfortunately the game has in a way just started.

This doesnf make sense to me

[skitter30]

It's about who town has to pick between. skitter is probably more afraid of my scumplay than any other player at the table. I'm not good at reading her and have got it reversed basically every time.

You and catboi are tied
Which is why i'm not thrilled to be here

[Chara]

not a lot of what i say tends to make sense to you, skitter.
what doesn't make sense about it?

[catboi]

i think she's been playing defensively since we started. it'd be the easiest win in a minigame for her to miselim me, though i do think her desire to go where i go is also a genuine "i want to play with Chara" feeling and not a ploy, just one that happens to also work out with her goals.

i was really hoping for this outcome because i think if Isis and i

are

both town we can find each other, even if demona if scum is being exceedingly town to me and Isis both. unfortunately the game has in a way just started.

i got sidetracked but my main reasoning is this is an ideal situation for scum Isis. i started considering it seriously in 236, it feels like she's been playing to me to make me easier to handle. (and that Coral read is very... i don't know, obvious?)
when i said i didn't want to be in a minigame with her and i just hoped she was town, she brought up the time i was rightly suspicious of her as scum. a way to make me more confident i can read her.

i haven't reread with this in mind re: the timing of demona's locking in Wall.

"defensive" wouldn't really be a word that comes to mind to describe Isis's play although I see your point about 236 I guess, will review it at some point. Had lingering suspicion of Isis for gut reasons but with the clarity of distributions things are coming into focus more so not as sure.

[catboi]

30 posts into coral's ISO and I'm not really seeing anything town

I don't disagree but how literal is this?

what

[Chara]

I think voting for isis is a loss there for town

so you think i am mafia…?

Sorry i got the minigames confused, nm
But i think chara is scum there

i'm confused about this whole post, how does voting for Isis being a loss for town make demona mafia? the wall wincon is voting scum, if voting is a loss that means she's town to skitter, not that demona is scum.
what do you mean by getting the minigames confused?

[Faker]

I don't follow. Skitter had explicitly stated a scumread on me at multiple points in the previous phase. I'm speaking from the perspective of knowing I am town (obviously).

skitter swapping to keep as scum with absinthe is borderline nonsensical in my eyes unless you think they did it hoping people level themselves, but it'd be probably outright -EV in both instances. skitter being scum with coral also feels fairly unlikely. She's not averse to extended theater with teammates but typically she'd need rapport with the teammate and the way the back and forth with coral went didn't feel s/s

So step one of this setup as scum is that in the Keep, scum has to be voted as town. This means they have to convince at a player they are town, and do so before another player finds the other town player as town. I hope this helps!

[Chara]

"defensive" wouldn't really be a word that comes to mind to describe Isis's play although I see your point about 236 I guess, will review it at some point. Had lingering suspicion of Isis for gut reasons but with the clarity of distributions things are coming into focus more so not as sure.

i'm using defensive to mean cautious, not to mean defending herself. like setting up defenses around oneself, not showing weak points or taking risks.

[catboi]

I think absinthe's whole spiel about being okay with going to the keep and being able to control her own destiny there was very town and strongly favor her being town over coral

[Chara]

It's about who town has to pick between. skitter is probably more afraid of my scumplay than any other player at the table. I'm not good at reading her and have got it reversed basically every time.

You and catboi are tied
Which is why i'm not thrilled to be here

how about the third option?

[catboi]

I like absinthe in Keep with catboi and Faker.

Why is that, exactly?

I like Faker's plan for it, mostly. I'm currently leaning towards feeling trusting of Faker (rookie mistake), and at the same time not feeling town on absinthe. So that + Faker wanting to pair up + absinthe feeling a little resistant towards accepting that arrangement = me wanting to voice support of it.

[catboi]

I don't follow. Skitter had explicitly stated a scumread on me at multiple points in the previous phase. I'm speaking from the perspective of knowing I am town (obviously).

skitter swapping to keep as scum with absinthe is borderline nonsensical in my eyes unless you think they did it hoping people level themselves, but it'd be probably outright -EV in both instances. skitter being scum with coral also feels fairly unlikely. She's not averse to extended theater with teammates but typically she'd need rapport with the teammate and the way the back and forth with coral went didn't feel s/s

So step one of this setup as scum is that in the Keep, scum has to be voted as town. This means they have to convince at a player they are town, and do so before another player finds the other town player as town. I hope this helps!

who's town with you here

[Faker]

I think absinthe's whole spiel about being okay with going to the keep and being able to control her own destiny there was very town and strongly favor her being town over coral

Strongly disagree. I don't think it made sense to go to the Keep with me under those circumstances, and she hit the wrong notes with me literally from start to finish yesterday.

Start was very awkward/wonky and she went full deer in the headlights when I got started. She similarly got caught off when the switchup to the narrative you're describing had essentially no effect.

[Faker]

I don't follow. Skitter had explicitly stated a scumread on me at multiple points in the previous phase. I'm speaking from the perspective of knowing I am town (obviously).

skitter swapping to keep as scum with absinthe is borderline nonsensical in my eyes unless you think they did it hoping people level themselves, but it'd be probably outright -EV in both instances. skitter being scum with coral also feels fairly unlikely. She's not averse to extended theater with teammates but typically she'd need rapport with the teammate and the way the back and forth with coral went didn't feel s/s

So step one of this setup as scum is that in the Keep, scum has to be voted as town. This means they have to convince at a player they are town, and do so before another player finds the other town player as town. I hope this helps!

who's town with you here

You know I don't have an answer to this. It doesn't change the fact that I think your reasoning here is bad and willfully blind to how the setup works, and the fact that scum do not get their dream matchups in most scenarios.

[skitter30]

not a lot of what i say tends to make sense to you, skitter.
what doesn't make sense about it?

I don't get why you're excited to go to keep with scum isis

[catboi]

You know I don't have an answer to this.

LMAO

[skitter30]

I think voting for isis is a loss there for town

so you think i am mafia…?

Sorry i got the minigames confused, nm
But i think chara is scum there

i'm confused about this whole post, how does voting for Isis being a loss for town make demona mafia? the wall wincon is voting scum, if voting is a loss that means she's town to skitter, not that demona is scum.
what do you mean by getting the minigames confused?

For a second i thought that if you vote isis
A second scum can hammer
(I also somehow forgot demona was there)

Yes i know that doesnt make sense

[skitter30]

It's about who town has to pick between. skitter is probably more afraid of my scumplay than any other player at the table. I'm not good at reading her and have got it reversed basically every time.

You and catboi are tied
Which is why i'm not thrilled to be here

how about the third option?

?

[Faker]

You know I don't have an answer to this.

LMAO

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[Faker]

skitter I'm going to assume 1392 isn't a slip but if it is I'm going to clown you all of the postgame

[catboi]

I think absinthe's whole spiel about being okay with going to the keep and being able to control her own destiny there was very town and strongly favor her being town over coral

Strongly disagree. I don't think it made sense to go to the Keep with me under those circumstances, and she hit the wrong notes with me literally from start to finish yesterday.

Start was very awkward/wonky and she went full deer in the headlights when I got started. She similarly got caught off when the switchup to the narrative you're describing had essentially no effect.

So Coral is town, then?

[skitter30]

skitter I'm going to assume 1392 isn't a slip but if it is I'm going to clown you all of the postgame

Sounds good

[Faker]

Probably by default, yes.

If you're asking me if I have a read on Coral as an individual, not really. Tonally there are things I would consider town but I think she's well in range.

[Chara]

not a lot of what i say tends to make sense to you, skitter.
what doesn't make sense about it?

I don't get why you're excited to go to keep with scum isis

you mean Wall, i assume.

because i thought she was scum before, and i thought the best chance of me confirming that is having demona here with us, and scum didn't end up messing with the configuration with swaps. so i get to try and do the thing i've been hoping to do all game, which is win a minigame under my own power.
and in the scenario where we're both wrong on demona i believe we can figure it out, so to me it's a win/win. i don't think that's where we are though.