Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Coral]

Okay, here it was. Nothing too groundbreaking honestly, I just had a bunch of read thoughts that I had previously been keeping to myself:

So... I strongly scumread Chara. I haven't wanted to reveal this at all because part of what tipped me towards the read was feeling like Chara was trying consistently to pocket people, and I wanted it to think that it had succeeded with me (and possibly tempt the scumteam to then swap me into Wall for demona, so they can IC demona, hoping I vote Isis).

Maybe a bit silly and self-centered, but I felt it fairly strongly, and it seemed like a reasonable idea. Locking in Gate with Isis and Chara seemed like it would go poorly to me, since if I was right I probably end up staying there with a cleared Isis, and I'm not at all confident I win that. My Chara read also then becomes pretty useless. demona had already locked in Wall, so the next best option seemed to me to go to Gate and encourage Isis and Chara to go Wall.

At the time that I came upon this idea, I also scumread skitter and absinthe. I'm a bit less sure on both of those reads now, though. I have gradually scumread catboi more (which seems like a common opinion), and while I still think skitter is more likely scum than Tempest, I'm hesitant to make that call (and might not need to, so I don't plan to think about it too deeply yet).

I do tentatively think Faker is town at this time, and probably would hope that whoever is town of catboi and absinthe will vote there. I lean town on Isis, partly due to the strength of my Chara scumread and believing that they're unlikely to be scum together.

demona, honestly, I've just been hoping gets IC'd. I do lean town but I'm not as confident in it as I'd like to be. I did really like demona's suggestion at the end of day to break up where the final two were going, and I think it is fairly likely that scum would not have wanted that. I don't think it's that scummy for Chara to have locked in Wall in response, though, since I imagine it would have done so as town, too.

Tempest I thought felt off in her early posts, same as several others, but she's gotten better. Part of me does worry that this may mean the early post tone is less of a consistent character trait, and could be indicative of scum struggling to find their footing and their voice. There's several worlds where I won't actually have to sort here, so I'm not focusing on it too much yet.

Also, now that it's night and I'm actually thinking through the possible swaps and how scum might choose to approach them, I'm realizing it's a pretty low chance that they do swap demona over and IC. Revealing one of the swaps as town right away gives away some information to town about the configuration of scum. So maybe my dream plan (side note: I thought it was pretty funny that Isis mentioned thr exact same hopeful plan near the end of the day) was never going to happen.

[Faker]

At some point regardless of alignment he's going to switch tact and I'd really like that moment to happen sooner rather than later.

[Chara]

Hi everyone. I had a bunch of thoughts written out that I'm not sure if they're useful to post at this point. With the swap I'm at like 90% thinking it's absinthe/catboi/Chara

what's your confidence raiting on absinthe?

[catboi]

If you see your arguments getting logically deconstructed but don't think that's persuasion, that's on you bud.

I also don't really have to when I have a vote. As town you're not going to throw 3 hours into daystart, you're going to wait.

I mean, yes you're failing to convince me you're town. The approach seems ore designed to beat me down/discredit me. None of what you're saying really makes me think you're town. I'm not voting right away, I want people to check in first, but I am likely to vote soon.

[Coral]

I was working a bit under the assumption that scum were 1-1-1 due to the general contentness of everyone. But with absinthe being scum and part of the swap, that locks in either it being 0-1-2, or skitter being scum. My gut reaction is to flip our game first, and that means that whoever is town in skitter/catboi should just vote Faker.

Am I getting anything wrong there?

[Coral]

Hi everyone. I had a bunch of thoughts written out that I'm not sure if they're useful to post at this point. With the swap I'm at like 90% thinking it's absinthe/catboi/Chara

what's your confidence raiting on absinthe?

Prior to the swap, like 60% maybe? In a vacuum I thought she was scummy but I thought we were at 1-1-1 and I was starting to suspect catboi more.

Now, 100%, obviously

[Faker]

I prefer to be the voter, especially with what I've seen on the table.

Let me be clear: I will get you if you are scum, and I will make sure you lose the game as a bonus.

[Coral]

I was working a bit under the assumption that scum were 1-1-1 due to the general contentness of everyone. But with absinthe being scum and part of the swap, that locks in either it being 0-1-2, or skitter being scum. My gut reaction is to flip our game first, and that means that whoever is town in skitter/catboi should just vote Faker.

Am I getting anything wrong there?

Oh. Yes I am. This is assuming that Faker isn't scum LMAO

[Coral]

Sorry I literally just woke up

[catboi]

Chara was trying consistently to pocket people

cite me some examples?

I think arguing people have been pockety is a difficultaccusation to prove because there are lots of behaviors in a typical game that can be made to feel that way, although it's not impossible to show.

[catboi]

I prefer to be the voter, especially with what I've seen on the table.

Let me be clear: I will get you if you are scum, and I will make sure you lose the game as a bonus.

I have 0 intimidation level from this

[Faker]

I think you're trying to mimic the read in Undertale 1, and I will

break you

gently guide you into the softness of night if so.

[Coral]

I can case Chara in a bit, sure

[Chara]

So... I strongly scumread Chara. I haven't wanted to reveal this at all because part of what tipped me towards the read was feeling like Chara was trying consistently to pocket people, and I wanted it to think that it had succeeded with me (and possibly tempt the scumteam to then swap me into Wall for demona, so they can IC demona, hoping I vote Isis).

who do you feel i was trying to pocket, and where was i trying to pocket you this game?

and can you point to where you were trying to make me think i'd pocketed you? i don't think we interacted much past that one conversation i remember regarding Isis.

[Faker]

I didn't see as much of the pocketing, at least not in the vein I expected from seeing Chara-scum. My only issue was a one-off post.

[catboi]

I think you're trying to mimic the read in Undertale 1, and I will

break you

gently guide you into the softness of night if so.

what is my angle supposed to be here as scum??

[Chara]

Hi everyone. I had a bunch of thoughts written out that I'm not sure if they're useful to post at this point. With the swap I'm at like 90% thinking it's absinthe/catboi/Chara

what's your confidence raiting on absinthe?

Prior to the swap, like 60% maybe? In a vacuum I thought she was scummy but I thought we were at 1-1-1 and I was starting to suspect catboi more.

Now, 100%, obviously

hahaha, admittedly that was a bit of a joke question to see if you'd say anything besides 100%.

[skitter30]

not a lot of what i say tends to make sense to you, skitter.
what doesn't make sense about it?

I don't get why you're excited to go to keep with scum isis

you mean Wall, i assume.

because i thought she was scum before, and i thought the best chance of me confirming that is having demona here with us, and scum didn't end up messing with the configuration with swaps. so i get to try and do the thing i've been hoping to do all game, which is win a minigame under my own power.
and in the scenario where we're both wrong on demona i believe we can figure it out, so to me it's a win/win. i don't think that's where we are though.

Yes i did
Ok fair enuf, thanks

[Faker]

I'm not bothering with this unless Tempest wants to make you the voter.

[skitter30]

...Do you mind walking me through why I'm in the Keep as scum, along with why I swap out someone that I am 100% sure I can snow in absinthe?

Fwiw i can see scum-you doung this

[Coral]

and can you point to where you were trying to make me think i'd pocketed you? i don't think we interacted much past that one conversation i remember regarding Isis.

It was more that I was trying not to break that impression by stating a scumread. I'm also fairly bad at faking that sort of thing as town, for some reason, so I mostly just tried to avoid the topic.

The only real active choices I made were
1) not being clear about my read
2) not continuing to pressure the point in 588

Speaking of, was the game-related reason your scumread there?

[Faker]

I don't think cat's explanation that I'd prefer you to absinthe here makes a ton of sense. Tempest scumread you and I can manipulate her into leaning into it from Keep. I've had my fun with you in Melancholia, while ffery hasn't gotten to face me yet. The only points for it are "+challenge" and "Supreme confidence that I'll win anyway", but I'm on record in another game as Keep being explicitly to my strengths as town and my favored game. I started out angling elsewhere then

went out of my way

to go to Keep anyway precisely because I love how the game is styled.

I'm curious as to what you think about the recent back/forth. I also think Tempest should weigh in.

[Coral]

I read (and it gradually turned to skimming) the posts since daystart before I got too antsy and started posting, and they really only make me more confident in the solve. I think it's still worth considering other possibilities, but it's hard for me to see at this point.

[Chara]

it was the scumread idea and believing we could read each other well, i think i was being coy about the read too and hoping it'd look like my preference was largely personal + thinking i could read Isis.

[Chara]

and can you point to where you were trying to make me think i'd pocketed you? i don't think we interacted much past that one conversation i remember regarding Isis.

It was more that I was trying not to break that impression by stating a scumread. I'm also fairly bad at faking that sort of thing as town, for some reason, so I mostly just tried to avoid the topic.

The only real active choices I made were
1) not being clear about my read
2) not continuing to pressure the point in 588

Speaking of, was the game-related reason your scumread there?

my question also meant to include what behavior from me you were interpreting as pocketing? i just find it hard to believe you thought i would think i'd pocketed you somehow.