Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[skitter30]

Or faker wanted this scenario
Hard to say

[MathBlade]

Or faker wanted this scenario
Hard to say

From an outsider’s perspective possible but I know that one isn’t true.

From your POV which is it and why?

[skitter30]

I don't know, which is why i want one of you two to vote me

[MathBlade]

I don't think it's a good idea to put us in a game together cat. I know you know but I don't really want to shit talk atm sorry.

Really Skitter?

[skitter30]

I don't know what you're trying to say

[MathBlade]

This is way too fast for my brain atm LMAO

I know you're mostly joking but any game with me/you/skitter would be the biggest shitshow, but ~we'll see~

(Assuming “you” is Catboi as the thread implies)

You’re arguing that Faker intentionally made the game a shit show.

Assuming Faker is Prism, I know Prism didn’t but then combined with the other post quoted makes this a really hard sell.

[MathBlade]

It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.

[MathBlade]

So it looks to me that the important game for reads is our game and solving it gives us the best chances of victory because then we learn about the swap.

Thoughts?

[Isis]

The swap also affects Tempest's game. I think Tempest's game should probably resolve first.
It's page 75 and I still can't remember the game nicknames.

[MathBlade]

I don’t necessarily agree with that.

I think absinthe should cross vote then Tempest has the freedom to say which order they’d like the games resolved in.

I just think Tempest and mine are the most important for scumhunting because of the swap and day open.

[skitter30]

It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.

I don't understand, why does that statement make you question if i know you're town

[Coral]

I agree that Gate and Keep should probably be first. Wall feels the murkiest to nearly everyone, and determining the result of the swap seems useful. I don't feel as much of a preference anymore about Gate going before Keep, either seems fine.

[MathBlade]

It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.

I don't understand, why does that statement make you question if i know you're town

You feel disconnected. Like you don’t want to figure out why the swap happened the way it did.

It’s either A) You set it up so Faker and Catboi would fight
Or B) Catboi made this world after interacting with it in the open
Or in your opinion C exists) Faker constructed this is possible

But not wanting to interact with any option or one of your own self making feels like a deliberate stall tactic. You must have some thoughts no?

[Coral]

But revealing the read beforehand doesn't fit quite right with the rest to me.

Is this a mechanical objection to the idea town!Chara revealed info that would let scum!Isis ship Chara away, or more of a flow objection that town!Chara would throw out and igmeoy with no force and just slunk into making good on the threat when the minigame started?

I think there's at least a little playstyle clash going on but I want to dig up the part that can make the most sense to me.
I'd probably like the EoD FoS better at if it was either fully developed, or completely holstered for this phase.

Moreso the former. It just feels to me like that narrative presented almost makes sense, but reading back the posts I don't see how the thought process completely lines up, going from posting about the scumread to then immediately deciding to push the point of going together while keeping the scumread under wraps.

[MathBlade]

Can you explain it again?

I am not following.

[MathBlade]

I feel like I am missing something as we are all vanilla except VC tempest?

So what mechanical info are you both talking about?

I know it’s probably simple but explain it like I am 5 please.

[Coral]

It's about what I feel is a difference between the way Chara's actions on day 1 reflect its thought process at the time, compared to the perspective presented at the start of today's day phase. This is in respect mostly to its read on Isis and wanting them to be in the same minigame.

It's not strictly mechanical.

[MathBlade]

Is this a mechanical objection to the idea town!Chara revealed info that would let scum!Isis ship Chara away,

What info is being talked about? Is this mid D1 end of day one?

I am a bit behind in reading as I didn’t expect Skitter to be Stonewall Kitty.

[Coral]

The info was about Chara's scumread, not mechanical info.

[skitter30]

It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.

I don't understand, why does that statement make you question if i know you're town

You feel disconnected. Like you don’t want to figure out why the swap happened the way it did.

It’s either A) You set it up so Faker and Catboi would fight
Or B) Catboi made this world after interacting with it in the open
Or in your opinion C exists) Faker constructed this is possible

But not wanting to interact with any option or one of your own self making feels like a deliberate stall tactic. You must have some thoughts no?

I'm not stonewalling anything, or 'not trying to interact with one option or another' , and this is the approach that i've taken since well before you repped in. i'm a little frustrated because i think you routinely misflip me and don't know how to read me so this game that i was enjoying suddenly looks a lot less fun because you tend to be very antagonistic to everything that i say (see: here, where now i'm apparently 'stonewalling')

And i'm having a non-ideal day at work today so don't really have energy to bicker with you abt it rn but i can try to walk you through the different worlds from my pov later

[skitter30]

Like from my pov i was on the same page woth most people in the game
I am continuing to take the same approach
You have no context on any of this
You think i'm stonewalling

[Coral]

I agree with skitter, Math, I think there's a lot more nuance to the situation than you're currently giving it and it's reasonable to find that frustrating.

[MathBlade]

Imho I don’t.

It feels like every avenue I have to generate reads is cut off.

I can’t generate them from optimal play.
I can’t generate them by asking questions of Skitter because she won’t answer them.

So if I can’t read someone from mech or from their thoughts how am I supposed to read them or get any sort of conclusion?

[MathBlade]

Like from my pov i was on the same page woth most people in the game
I am continuing to take the same approach
You have no context on any of this
You think i'm stonewalling

I have no way of “finding” that page.

I ask questions to get on the same page and figure out who you think scum are and get no answer. I call this stonewalling.

Only to be told you’re not but it’s valid not to answer questions? So you’re not but it’s valid

It feels extremely gaslighty

[MathBlade]

Because then if I ask questions of you, Coral, then you don’t answer them, because it’s completely valid for Skitter to not answer them, then it becomes valid for every player.

So I think that nuance needs to be explained.