i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Ranger]

{Save The Dragons}
{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Frogsterking}
{KittyTacky, tris}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant}
{kitten around}
{Elements}
{McMenno}
{Not_Mafia}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe}
{Ythan}
{Titus}
{furtiveglance}
{Lycanfire}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald, imaginality}

P14.

VOTE: imaginality

[Ranger]

{Save The Dragons}
{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Frogsterking}
{KittyTacky, tris}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant}
{kitten around}
{Elements}
{McMenno}
{Not_Mafia}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Lycanfire}
{Titus}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald, imaginality}

Caught up.

[Elements]

Great! Now you've caught up do you have any reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think she’s been posting?

[Titus]

Frogster, Ythan or KittyTacky, Ranger

Good scum starts. Ranger's readwall looks determined to avoid rule of 3.

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think of Cat Scratch, Titus?

[Elements]

What do you think she’s been posting?

i can't tell if this is serious or not

[Save The Dragons]

what the balls have we even played together ranger

[Titus]

What do you think of Cat Scratch, Titus?

Haven't read him. I'm starting from data. Anything in particular to read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think looking at what she chooses to respond to and how she responds to it is important

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

[Titus]

what the balls have we even played together ranger

Ranger is a system with mastina, so yes and no?

[Gamma Emerald]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

[Frogsterking]

It would be pretty funny if Ranger is scum and just posting bare reads list as a scum strat. The main reason I don't think that is because I agree with almost every single one of their placements. The main difference I noticed in reads was quiet owl. Do you think I got schmoozed earlier by quiet owl, ranger?

@all Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.

It's your job to make a good case not to throw a fit.

I agree with this completely and I also stand by my sentiment that the existing town reads on Gamma show a lack of critical thinking.

If you'll point out which I'll humor you for a bit.

KT stands out for sure (308.) I also think there is an element of AtE to it (309, 310.) To clarify though I do think KT can do critical thinking well, I'm saying that I don't think in this one example that those are good reasons. In fact those are things worth scumreading for imo.

In answering your question I realized most players who townread gamma haven't actually explained why.

Hi, friendly mod reminder that while mafia is a game that can get heated, please refrain from making personal attacks of any sort. Thank y’all. <3

I want to take a different direction, can players who townread Gamma-I'm thinking csf and dragons especially-explain why you townread Gamma? I have ideas about why, but I'd rather give you a chance to explain.

PEdit

I'm getting major scum pings from Titus right now. 379 needs some explaining.

[Frogsterking]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

This is theater I think

[Frogsterking]

In my head, gamma-imagination-titus-quiet owl is a logical team solve.

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

[Titus]

In my head, gamma-imagination-titus-quiet owl is a logical team solve.

Quiet owl as a rule of 3 isn't bad

[Ythan]

In answering your question I realized most players who townread gamma haven't actually explained why.

If you point out which I'll humor you a bit longer.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

You literally said it was a test. Dunno if doing that really lets you get reliable results.

[Gamma Emerald]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

That’s not what I meant.

[Frogsterking]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

1) you outted a lot more reads than usual in 379 so you haven't really been cagey

2) in 389 I asked you to explain your reads almost immediately after I see your posts

3) in 357 an authority figure issues a general warning so it makes sense I would be keeping my anger in check

4) I'm not sure what would cause you to terminate your reaction test now. You already had my attention in 389, why not stall and see what I do?

You are really being the opposite of cagey both by having multiple scum reads in 379 and revealing your plans now.

[Frogsterking]

{Lycanfire}

I missed this placement the first time too. I can definitely see myself getting schmoozed out of a good RVS read by this lycan.

'Bruh'..

My wording was probably imprecise. To be clear, the reasoning you use to push people and how you arrive at reads can be unusual, which makes you liable to be read as scummy. I don't think the reason behind Ythan's vote, for instance, is an actual scum tell for you.

Thank you for clarifying, that is really different imo

[Ranger]

what the balls have we even played together ranger

Probably not directly but I'm still familiar with your meta.

Great! Now you've caught up do you have any reads?

I recognize the sarcasm, but to answer; I will elaborate on any read I'm asked about. (Just don't ask me to do every read all at once, limit of ~5 at a time.)

Ranger's readwall looks determined to avoid rule of 3.

That's simply the product of no three players sharing an identical read strength at the end of any given page. There was one spot where I had all of {tris, Frogsterking, +1} on one tier, there was a time where I had {Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, +1} on one tier, etc. It's just that by the end of the page it had solidified to not quite be three and instead had one be higher or lower than the rest.

There will be precisely 3 players in a tier when there are precisely 3 players with the same exact strength in read. No sooner, no later.

Do you think I got schmoozed earlier by quiet owl, ranger?

I think their entrance is disproportionately scum, yes. The callout of multiball feels out of place and potentially TMI. (It's a xyzzy game so I certainly wouldn't be surprised, but entering the game

assuming

multiball isn't town.) Calling CSF-Frogsterking SvT or SvS isn't a thought impossible, but the way the thought was handled makes me believe it wasn't a true town thought. They've given no reads beyond just those two, in spite of apparently being caught up on the game.

I can

see

why you'd think they're town, but I disagree and feel the slot is strongly scum.

[Ranger]

I missed this placement the first time too. I can definitely see myself getting schmoozed out of a good RVS read by this lycan.

Actually, lycan's one of my weakest scumreads. The entrance you thought was town I thought was scum, but it's explicitly not a strong read. Doing an iso there, I still really hate 66, but posts like 114, 120, 318, 320, and 322 all actually look good.

So I think I talked my way into this:

{Save The Dragons}
{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Frogsterking}
{KittyTacky, tris}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant}
{kitten around}
{Elements}
{McMenno}
{Lycanfire}
{Not_Mafia}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Titus}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald, imaginality}