Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Chara]

absinthe/kitty/Isis updated scumteam guess. Isis and herta are at a closer level than i'd like though.

[Chara]

kitty/Tempest/absinthe is my early call. Isis could replace one.

i felt like so much has happened and yet the only change to my teamcall was one of them getting mod confirmed town and so getting replaced...

[Chara]

wait, i guessed that team before we even split up into the minigames, now i want it to be right so badly.

[Tempest]

The biggest change d2 for me is cooling a lot on demona's slot, liking Chara more by comparison and figuring out some less paranoid basises for why it picked wall the way it did.

On day one, you suggested that chara can read you quite well, but if you're town it's reading you wrong and that doesn't seem to bother you or make you feel suspicious towards it at all?

[Tempest]

i do kind of want to flip Gate first, are there thoughts on that?

I'm not sure. With me and absinthe being away the past couple days, I don't think that I can make a decision any time soon especially with Christmas coming up. I don't know how much time we want between each place being solved.

[Isis]

The biggest change d2 for me is cooling a lot on demona's slot, liking Chara more by comparison and figuring out some less paranoid basises for why it picked wall the way it did.

On day one, you suggested that chara can read you quite well, but if you're town it's reading you wrong and that doesn't seem to bother you or make you feel suspicious towards it at all?

It bothers me and it's a significant negative. It can be "one of those games" but there's advantage to scum!Chara staticcing the read.

It hasn't really reissued a verdict on a bunch of day2 play until now.

[Isis]

Herta are you scum

[Coral]

I know you said "I don't actually have to explain this" but I think it's important to support that claim because it seems unbelievable to me.

no actually i don't owe you jack shit lmfao

i am still curious about the apparent strength of your reads on Coral/absinthe, i don't see what's so bad about absinthe's reads that you think she isn't informed, if that's what you were saying.

I interpreted it this way at first as well, but 2013 makes it sound like he's talking about me. I think his current stated perspective is that I am town who isn't worth talking to.

[Isis]

*hadn't

[Coral]

I am somewhat heavily doubting that Chara in a team with catboi/absinthe would encourage that solve, knowing that Wall will likely flip last.

[Isis]

I probably would have to be annoyed at progression more than I can actually subscribe to "read correctly or r scum"
That's not that reliable in mafia.

[Coral]

I think Herta is more likely than Isis, with the extremely underwhelming replace in being a factor in that.

[Isis]

Chara!scum seems like the only case where this minigame can be win
Chara deciding me wrong for game would make me big sad

[Chara]

Chara!scum seems like the only case where this minigame can be win
Chara deciding me wrong for game would make me big sad

if scum is Herta i promise to figure it out! if you're town please don't take this to mean that i'm convinced you're scum, i imagine it looks that way on the surface but i've been wavering a lot more on it than my posts are showing, i just don't know if i have anything useful to say on the matter or poke at right now. i know you want me to look at your Day 2 play but it so far hasn't really swayed me one way or another and nothing's jumped out at me to poke at besides what i already asked about. if you want me to look at something in particular i can.

[Chara]

absinthe/kitty/Isis updated scumteam guess. Isis and herta are at a closer level than i'd like though.

herta going down and Isis going up from the 80% confidence i was at previously ^

part of that is demona's day 2 but before i could dig into anything i wanted to talk about there was a replace so, i'd rather just read Herta when they're caught up and/or playing with the present game.

[Chara]

though, have i been able to correctly read you as town before, Isis? the only game i can clearly remember is the one you pointed to where you were scum.

[Chara]

i don't have much new to say, but... Isis, what are these less paranoid ideas for why i picked Wall how i did? i know we talked about it but given Herta hasn't done much readable to me yet while catching up, we may as well chat if you're up for it.

quoting this as well so you see it.

[Chara]

I am somewhat heavily doubting that Chara in a team with catboi/absinthe would encourage that solve, knowing that Wall will likely flip last.

yes, it'd be rather difficult to win if i was bussing both of my teammates in their respective minigames when the wincon is 2/3 minigames won. :>

[Chara]

is it silly to think scum kitty is scumreading Coral/townreading absinthe so he looks uninformed upon an absinthe scumflip?

[Isis]

though, have i been able to correctly read you as town before, Isis? the only game i can clearly remember is the one you pointed to where you were scum.

You have not! You saw me play town when you were scum one time.
It is hard to expect you would have a broken clock scumread manner of reading me, I just figure since you like me and usually don't misunderstand my play methods of anything you probably have a centered calibration. But not data based.

[Isis]

i don't have much new to say, but... Isis, what are these less paranoid ideas for why i picked Wall how i did? i know we talked about it but given Herta hasn't done much readable to me yet while catching up, we may as well chat if you're up for it.

quoting this as well so you see it.

Less paranoid is, the reason you gave, pumping your own Joy Value, getting EV off of reading me. More paranoid was placating me, or not realizing at first that a townie asking you on a third wheel date gets you 2/3rds of the way to setting up a no-swap-neccaary hood but acknowledging the offer and accepting it later when that sunk in. Or thinking you could get buy-in on mislimming me after I talked you up.

[Chara]

You have not! You saw me play town when you were scum one time.
It is hard to expect you would have a broken clock scumread manner of reading me, I just figure since you like me and usually don't misunderstand my play methods of anything you probably have a centered calibration. But not data based.

makes sense. i

would

say confidently that my calibration as you put it is properly balanced... at least in my own view. what i am wondering is why my misread of you in this case is a reason for you to think i'm scum, rather than simply wrong. you also had me as scum by default (due to demona town), which put us in similar situations to each other at the start of day 2, barring of course that i had the independent scumread as well.

also: was that scumgame of mine Silent Star, or something else?

[Chara]

i don't have much new to say, but... Isis, what are these less paranoid ideas for why i picked Wall how i did? i know we talked about it but given Herta hasn't done much readable to me yet while catching up, we may as well chat if you're up for it.

quoting this as well so you see it.

Less paranoid is, the reason you gave, pumping your own Joy Value, getting EV off of reading me. More paranoid was placating me, or not realizing at first that a townie asking you on a third wheel date gets you 2/3rds of the way to setting up a no-swap-neccaary hood but acknowledging the offer and accepting it later when that sunk in. Or thinking you could get buy-in on mislimming me after I talked you up.

the phrase Joy Value makes me think of the Lisa Games. that would be a fun setup theme.

thanks for the answer.

[Chara]

do you want to talk about the Keep? i'm curious as to your thoughts on skitter/kitty/Math. particularly given catboi has expressed a willingness to vote skitter, while Math and skitter are currently scumreading each other.

[Isis]

You have not! You saw me play town when you were scum one time.
It is hard to expect you would have a broken clock scumread manner of reading me, I just figure since you like me and usually don't misunderstand my play methods of anything you probably have a centered calibration. But not data based.

makes sense. i

would

say confidently that my calibration as you put it is properly balanced... at least in my own view. what i am wondering is why my misread of you in this case is a reason for you to think i'm scum, rather than simply wrong. you also had me as scum by default (due to demona town), which put us in similar situations to each other at the start of day 2, barring of course that i had the independent scumread as well.

also: was that scumgame of mine Silent Star, or something else?

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I investigated you for the win in a past game, that was the other side of the coin of wanting to play a game with you