i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Frog meta stuff aside, this one is wondering where tapiocaphobe and Vaxkiller are, and where Ranger went.

I like this

y?

Good breadth of interest

[imaginality]

Responding to stuff about me:

Yep I got Ythan and Gamma mixed up in my head with the 'lol' reaction.

The votes on me are lazy and/or scummy (likely a mix). I can understand why, "imaginality mixed up two players and is a bit noncommital so far" is nice easy justification for a vote so it's tempting for scum who don't have to lie to join the wagon. Helps that I'm low activity so not likely to push back as noisily as some players would. It's a wagon scum can hope might lead to a mislim that looks understandable and if it doesn't they don't look bad for being on it and pressuring me to play more.

For this reason I definitely think there are scum voting me.

I think the players on my wagon who have good town games are more likely to be scum than players with more average town games, for reasons. (Though I'm not familiar enough with everyone to say who fits in which bucket.)

In other news, Ranger's explanation for not having any sets of three seems artificial since you could create any size groupings by distinguishing among players more or less finely. Can someone who's not me and has meta say whether Ranger's lists feel similar to other games or not?

With Froggie's Gamma push not working, I can see potential for scum Ranger to be joining my wagon to shift focus away from Froggie scumbuddy. See also Lycan who switched from Gamma to me.

With that theory in mind VOTE: Frog

Pedit: yes I am also wondering about furtive's vote on me. And "some posts" sounds rather vague (I'd only made two until now).

[imaginality]

Also yes congrats xyzzy!
And merry solstice and associated seasonal celebrations everyone

[Lycanfire]

I was already warned by the mod. All grandstanding can go through the mod.

I really have no intention to discuss pronouns. This is my first game in years. Mistakes are going to happen and they weren't intentional. I'll be double checking my posts from now on.

[Lycanfire]

Sorry to anyone who may have felt hurt or singled out.

I'm sure it can be aggravating if it keeps happening to someone. Again, not intentional.

[Titus]

Lycan, what are your pronouns? You can add them to your profile.

[Save The Dragons]

The votes on me are lazy and/or scummy (likely a mix). I can understand why, "imaginality mixed up two players and is a bit noncommital so far" is nice easy justification for a vote so it's tempting for scum who don't have to lie to join the wagon. Helps that I'm low activity so not likely to push back as noisily as some players would. It's a wagon scum can hope might lead to a mislim that looks understandable and if it doesn't they don't look bad for being on it and pressuring me to play more.

For this reason I definitely think there are scum voting me.

i feel like most of the votes have nothing to do with this

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, what are your pronouns? You can add them to your profile.

You can call me whatever you want so long as i can follow the conversation

[Save The Dragons]

yeah i hate imaginality's response

[Save The Dragons]

The votes on me are lazy and/or scummy (likely a mix).

like how fucking easy is it for scum to come up with this bullshit

[Lycanfire]

My vote has three main points to it

1) i like a lot of the people on the wagon, so i looked into imaginality. I dont like how they're drawing attention to the 1v1. I've mentioned the concept of "acceptable wagons" in past games. It's been a great scumtell for me when someone tries to magnify two people because it provides great protection to scum.
2) i still like frogster despite my concern about them. I don't like the wagon on them and don't think it's good for the game.
3) vanitying gamma just seemed shit. She should be easy to resolve and isnt going anywhere

[Gamma Emerald]

This game feels weird as hell

[Lycanfire]

The concept of acceptable wagons also has to do with my read i said to poke me on a few pages ago. I felt like Erinys was getting pushed pretty slowly and wanted to see what was going to happen

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I won’t be active much today

[Save The Dragons]

lycanfire is probably town

[Save The Dragons]

titus might be scum but i need more data

[Frogsterking]

Do I need to explain why imaginality's last two posts are scummy? Even knowing nothing about the player I feel comfortable putting them on a similar place in my PoE as Gamma which is basically conf scum.

@Titus

I'm expecting a response to 404.

in large normal 242 he was town, and by all accounts pushy enough, but didn't seem to resort to this kind of AtE.

I was a UTR in large normal 242 so it makes sense I would become frustrated faster in this game than in that one. I'm not sure how much of that game you read because I became pretty frustrated when I was unable to get Pooky eliminated D2. I recall telling town that I was done with them for a little while and ghosting the thread for a couple of days after town massclaimed for no reason (and still wouldn't vote Pooky) on D2.

@frogster do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

That's a really loaded question: no, I doubt I've technically used those words before, and yes, I've become angry and heated in almost every single one of my town games and have lashed out in a wide variety of ways at every level of intensity from a fleeting spark to a smoldering ember to the raging inferno of the sun:

viewtopic.php?p=13465206&f=2#p13465206

I don't think there's any reason to consider the line AI one way or the other. The anger is more suggestive of my town game but it's an easy line to fake. I feel like this kind of exploration will help you become more familiar with me as a player but I'm skeptical you'll be able to reach any kind of closure from it on my alignment.

AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster.

What does this mean?

The votes on me are lazy and/or scummy (likely a mix).

like how fucking easy is it for scum to come up with this bullshit

I thought the narrative "frog is scum who gave up on pushing Gamma and switched to me" was pretty level -1. It's pretty clear they switched to me because I'm the competing wagon. Had I not switched off of Gamma earlier then you can just as easily write "frog is scum who is pretending to death tunnel Gamma" as an excuse to bandwagon me. Without context why they think my read is disingenuous then it's just a lazy, clichè take followed by a naked vote. I'm glad it's a scum slot pushing this narrative rather than a town one.

[Frogsterking]

@Titus I'm expecting a response to 404.

@Titus

396

[Frogsterking]

The votes on me are lazy and/or scummy (likely a mix).

like how fucking easy is it for scum to come up with this bullshit

I thought the narrative "frog is scum who gave up on pushing Gamma and switched to me" was pretty level -1. It's pretty clear they switched to me because I'm the competing wagon. Had I not switched off of Gamma earlier then you can just as easily write "frog is scum who is pretending to death tunnel Gamma" as an excuse to bandwagon me. Without context why they think my read is disingenuous then it's just a lazy, clichè take followed by a naked vote. I'm glad it's a scum slot pushing this narrative rather than a town one.

I don't understand why imaginality's lazy scum posts stand out to you while at the same time this stuff gets passed over:

Frog meta stuff aside, this one is wondering where tapiocaphobe and Vaxkiller are, and where Ranger went.

I like this

y?

Good breadth of interest

This game feels weird as hell

She's just inflating her post count so it looks like she's being actively engaged with the game.

[Save The Dragons]

those are two separate things

[Save The Dragons]

why don't you like onions? you like apples

im not going to pretend like gamma's posts are god's gift to town but tonally i feel gamma is trying to solve even if she also posts fluff whereas imaginality is responding to arguments against them lazily

[Titus]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

[Titus]

@Titus I'm expecting a response to 404.

@Titus

396

Later. I am human. If I can now, but I'm on a clock.

[Titus]

So what do you feel she's not responding to?

It’s not quite like that
I suggest you ISO her

Isn't your whole point that CSF is selectively responding though? How would reading her ISO help?

Also, Frogsterking failed my test. Frogsterking gets a certain level of annoyed when I'm cagey as town and instead, he's looking to discredit.

1) you outted a lot more reads than usual in 379 so you haven't really been cagey

2) in 389 I asked you to explain your reads almost immediately after I see your posts

3) in 357 an authority figure issues a general warning so it makes sense I would be keeping my anger in check

4) I'm not sure what would cause you to terminate your reaction test now. You already had my attention in 389, why not stall and see what I do?

You are really being the opposite of cagey both by having multiple scum reads in 379 and revealing your plans now.

Not what I'm looking for tonally. Sorry.

Reads list supposing imaginality is town.

Welp that was faster than I thought

[Save The Dragons]

Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.

how fucking easy is it to come and try to discredit the votes against you by calling them scummy

but like imaginality didn't even commit to who was scummy and who was just wrong

LAZY