i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Furtive

[Titus]

You want to quote that game? You know how I found you? Your frustration with me. You get frustrated when you feel I have bad takes as town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Furtive

Why?

[Titus]

Purple's initial frustration with me reminded me of Frogsterking in TFT so that was the biggest factor once I sat down and thought about it.

[Frogsterking]

Scum!Titus:

Purple's first offer happens to be every player left alive in the game. That would be an odd coinicidence.

Their acceptance might be coordinated. Based on their own admissions

1) Purple did an about face on Olive.
2) Olive originally wanted to pair with red supposedly but changed his mind.
3) Purple wanted hard to identify people to pair with easy to identify people but currently rests on meta knowledge for Olive town.
4) Olive asks Purple to retract invites and Olive accepts 4 minutes later. The rationale is the thought process looked invitee.
5) The awkward you were right I was town.

VOTE: Purple/Olive

I think I want to see this through.

Unknown!Titus with a lawl frog case and mason claim:

VOTE: Frogsterking

You have
1) put forth a game which isn't true (trying to call people toen blocks that aren't)
2) voted me immediately afterwards, despite arguing my mason claim was real before
3) have an unexplained ranger townread
4) whatever you did that got you wagoned prior to be coming in
5) inconsistent personality tell

[Frogsterking]

Cool, mason claim d1

I think Titus and Imaginality are Lovers and/or the claim is intended to phish.

[Titus]

I used an outline with evidence. That's a stretch.

You STILL won't explain your ranger read or address the substance. You're going for nitpicks instead and diverting.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Furtive

Why?

I think frog is town, I have no opinion of imagine but i thought i saw a mason claim but i misread that as being imagine's rather than urs

Elements seems town on this page

I don't know what ranger did besides post readlists

It's mostly a default vote. Although I had a misunderstanding about imagine so i read his ISO, i don't notice any meaningful difference between my impression of him here and in a scum!him game i played with him. But that's jut based off of having longer posts and elaborating on what he's thinking as he votes, so I don't have much of an opinion

pedit: Wait is imagineality a mason claim too? I'm fucked up

[Titus]

Cool, mason claim d1

I think Titus and Imaginality are Lovers and/or the claim is intended to phish.

Phish for what? No one else has claimed. No one had claimed. There was an imaginality wagon which was bad, so I wanted a reset but I didn't have an iron clad town case, so I tried to crumb it. Players familiar with it caught on. The only one not to back off was your partner who did major twisting to argue I wasn't crumbing mason. I said it 3 or four times. We have a PT. We are both mod confirmed to each other.

As for lovers, why would you argue that (not confirming or denying)?

[Titus]

pedit: Wait is imagineality a mason claim too? I'm fucked up

He's my mason partner.

[Morning Tweet]

Do you think there might be loved or hated going round with this many players?

Possibly. Frogsterking still didn't give the tonal read when he suspected I was town supposedly. Frogsterking is scum. Scum with Ranger. I have 75% odds on that.

Idk how much of the game you read when you joined but I think frog feels substantially different this game than he did in the normal you replaced in as scum with frog

Every single time Frog has been town, he has a certain level of frustration he gets with me everytime trying to sort me. He hasn't displayed an ounce of it. Instead, he's adapting his read to the environment on the board. He hasn't displayed it here.

ur basing ur read off of the way he approachs your slot solely

i just dont like when ppl do this, ppl dont appraoch every single slot the exact same way each time, there is nothing that guarantees a slot approachs a player the same way every game unless you have a reason to believe so

That being said I think the general idea is that you feel like frog's read on you is disingenuine. Adapting his read to the environment means like, scumreading you opportunistically, right?

pedit: I feel like there's not much reason for Titus to lie about being masons with imagine barring something crazy setup-wise

[Titus]

Adapting his read to the environment means like, scumreading you opportunistically, right?

More like desperate yes. Ranger did the same. Frogsterking won't explain his TR there. Despite me saying so multiple times.

He wanted me and Owl to work together as town. We were both voting Ranger. Refusal to vote Ranger, no reason.

Ranger and Frogsterking objections make no sense and they keep trying to cast doubt.

[Titus]

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I think Quiet Owl is town. Titus and Quiet Owl, do you townread each other?

I'll do a look again supposing you're town. However, if you townread me and Owl, why not vote Ranger?

I think the size of this game has resulted in two separate townblocks who are currently trying to kill each other.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Titus

nono i think i am not explaining well

i am not suggesting that we massclaim nor that it is a good idea or anything,

i am simply asking what others think is the mechanical ‘punishment’ for it or whatever

like if there is a warning for it ending poorly there would be a reason for this, yes?

so i wonder what others think that reason is

@Tris

@tris

can I get your three strongest townreads and scumreads aorn?

Can you talk about your SRs? Why not Ranger? Frogster?

i dont know what to think about frog, i haven't thought about ranger properly. i can if u want

[er]

Tris, you realize they're both phishing you here, right? They want to find out why I wrote these posts:


[]

That makes much more sense

It really doesn’t
I don’t see who aside from Fenrir out of the imaginality votes is UTR

it makes more sense as a response to that post

Ranger, tris, csf

I'm switching my vote from George to furtive in order to (hopefully) consolidate with tris, who I want for the town core. I want to rewind things back to this moment:

[r]

__

Ythan - weak town
GeorgeBailey - weak town
Enchant - moderate town

Really fake and unnatural sorting.

furtiveglance - actual null, and I hate that but gtmh town bc frog wants it

I think that this is TMI that furtive is town, or at least not aligned with Titus.

(Yes, Titus and imaginality on near-opposite sides. Titus wouldn't pull this maneuver with a scumbuddy, and I believe she's almost always town from it. So, Titus is nearly certainly town for the claim. imaginality is not because no matter what Titus says, she and imaginality are not actually masons and I feel imaginality is scum exploiting Titus's earnest belief their roles make him town.)

You should be careful because you are reacting emotionally to Titus but she isn't reacting emotionally to you. I don't think you should assume that Titus' goal behind claiming mason was to save imaginality, I think Titus claimed mason to exert some better control over the thread, yes, but also because she is looking for something.

__

Frog going with his head / heart rather than trusting a claim which is true prolly like 90% of the time

Seems.. familiar somehow. I feell ike frog gets so invested in these reads he can't let them go. But maybe he's just really good at emulating this as scum. Seems to me like something town would do on first glance

Frog what is scum!Titus' plan claiming mason with another player on the first day? Other than role-based trickery, which granted, sure. I need something other than how Titus seems disingenuine to you -- she can seem all the way scummy in the world, town seems that way sometimes too, esp masons

Before sending this post I can think of a few plans actually but they're all role-based. Also, I find it hard to account for why Titus would claim masons WITH imagine in order to presumably get the heat off of imagine. Lovers theory I guess would directly tie Titus' life to imagine's but feels a bit too on the nose

[Morning Tweet]

Open at start.

Yeah that's a lie. I have a topic and it did not open "at start".

This seems to be Ranger's objection. Any more voices on this?

[imaginality]

For the avoidance of doubt: Titus is telling the truth, we are masons and I have also been specifically told by the mod that she is town.

(Yes, Titus and imaginality on near-opposite sides. Titus wouldn't pull this maneuver with a scumbuddy, and I believe she's

almost

always town from it. So, Titus is nearly certainly town for the claim. imaginality is not because no matter what Titus

says

, she and imaginality are not

actually

masons and I feel imaginality is scum exploiting Titus's earnest belief their roles make him town.)

Wow, that Pokemon Mafia game really left some scars, hey?

This is actually making me shift to townreading you now because I don't think you'd be as likely to keep pushing this point as scum, whereas I can see the situation bringing up SirCakez-flavoured bad memories as town.

[Titus]

Open at start.

Yeah that's a lie. I have a topic and it did not open "at start".

This seems to be Ranger's objection. Any more voices on this?

Reflecting on this, there's a

slight miniscule

possibility of being town. Our pt has mod posts much earlier than gamestart but we were locked until then. Maybe the mod forgot to lock theirs.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: frogsterking
I’m fine to go back here.

UNVOTE:
Scratch this. I need to rethink the treacheries I’ve seen here.

Also, fuck the no-meta plan. I think it weakened me anyway.

[Titus]

I still don't get why furtiveglance is a thing. Can someone help?

[Frogsterking]

Spoiler:

Hmm interesting, I'll consider that

Why would you consider that, of all things? How have I not shown frustration lmao?

Because I'm basing my read on you partly off meta that I know and now new meta has come to light that I was not aware of.
Why would I not consider it...

Because her argument is that it's in my town meta to become frustrated with her, which is what I've done, but she is arguing that I am scum.

I don't think you've felt particularly frustrated about Titus

@696

Elements

eh maybe you're right and I'm the odd one out on that then. I've been extra careful lately:

Hi, friendly mod reminder that while mafia is a game that can get heated, please refrain from making personal attacks of any sort. Thank y’all. <3

I've been banned for this before.

[Frogsterking]

Frog what is scum!Titus' plan claiming mason with another player on the first day? Other than role-based trickery, which granted, sure. I need something other than how Titus seems disingenuine to you -- she can seem all the way scummy in the world, town seems that way sometimes too, esp masons

Before sending this post I can think of a few plans actually but they're all role-based. Also, I find it hard to account for why Titus would claim masons WITH imagine in order to presumably get the heat off of imagine. Lovers theory I guess would directly tie Titus' life to imagine's but feels a bit too on the nose

I think the fact that Titus was already being poorly recieved by the thread and that we were warned that mass claiming is bad for town make it less than 90% Titus claim is true. I'm not sure how my Lovers theory being "on the nose" makes it less likely to be true, that seems like a logical fallacy.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: furative

[HighPrincessErinys]

The more this one thinks about it the less likely it thinks Titus's mason claim is real. Their insistence on things like the PT, knowing imaginality's alignment, etc etc are all convincing, but

a D1 outing of two masons when one had at most 7 out of 12 votes

and has since dropped from that... It's kind of insane, honestly. Really sketched out by this.

Why does this make you doubt her claim?

Because it's an extremely weird circumstance to claim Mason with someone else in? All it's really going to do, if true, is paint a target on their backs in the future because 7/12 really does not need a D1 mason claim to save your buddy, it would've been alot better to wait until around E-3/2 or so because then there's a very immediate and credible threat to imaginality's life. Now Titus has thrown both of them into the line of mafia fire just to pull imaginality's wagon a further away from the finish line. They're either scum partners, something other than masons, or masons who felt the need to make a

really

strange play.

[Frogsterking]

For the avoidance of doubt: Titus is telling the truth, we are masons and I have also been specifically told by the mod that she is town.

(Yes, Titus and imaginality on near-opposite sides. Titus wouldn't pull this maneuver with a scumbuddy, and I believe she's

almost

always town from it. So, Titus is nearly certainly town for the claim. imaginality is not because no matter what Titus

says

, she and imaginality are not

actually

masons and I feel imaginality is scum exploiting Titus's earnest belief their roles make him town.)

Wow, that Pokemon Mafia game really left some scars, hey?

This is actually making me shift to townreading you now because I don't think you'd be as likely to keep pushing this point as scum, whereas I can see the situation bringing up SirCakez-flavoured bad memories as town.

It's incredble how, despite being explicitly intended for "the avoidance of doubt", this post does absolutely nothing to make you and Titus seem more credible.

[Frogsterking]

she can seem all the way scummy in the world, town seems that way sometimes too, esp masons

I already considered that, what changed my mind is that she is behaving toward my slot explicitly how she did in her scum game in Masqué.