i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[furtiveglance]

Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy

this is mediocre, scumleaning Enchant

this Ythan wagon is bad as hell, shame about the replacement too

I still want to get Frogster today... out of Ranger's suggestions earlier I could be down with furtive and I don't want Ythan's slot gone

Agreeing with quite a few of McMenno's reads actually (Frogster/Enchant to be precise). They could just be Town with a style that I scumread, the alternative is a Town!Frogsterking world which is theoretically possible, but right now I see this Ythan wagon as an effort to save Frogsterking pushed by Mafia.

[Frogsterking]

I don't believe Titus, furtive, imaginality, or quiet owl are town.

[Frogsterking]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

I don't know what to tell you Ranger but you need to stop getting tilted by Titus, this is scum!Titus lol

[furtiveglance]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

I don't know what to tell you Ranger but you need to stop getting tilted by Titus, this is scum!Titus lol

Do you want to explain why you only voted Titus after Ranger did (post-Mason claim)?

[Frogsterking]

I want the slots who are actually Town to stop listening to slots who are obviously not Town and dogpile on Quiet Owl so we have a better idea what's going on behind the scenes

[Frogsterking]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

I don't know what to tell you Ranger but you need to stop getting tilted by Titus, this is scum!Titus lol

Do you want to explain why you only voted Titus after Ranger did (post-Mason claim)?

No, I want you to die.

[furtiveglance]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

I don't know what to tell you Ranger but you need to stop getting tilted by Titus, this is scum!Titus lol

Do you want to explain why you only voted Titus after Ranger did (post-Mason claim)?

No, I want you to die.

It's mutual, but I'm also willing to engage with you about my reads if you want to try and seem interested.

[Gamma Emerald]

With 4 pending replacement slots, it's probably going to be a while before we get a new Ythan. Back to this:

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I could be swayed onto furtive, but with my tris read kind of dropping before she replaced out, I'm not sure he is actually scum.

The fuck is this? Can you not vote-hop like a hummingbird that consumed caffeine?

[Quiet Owl]

my theories at the moment:
- frog is town, cat scratch is scum
- this is a multiball setup, and they're both scum

I'm pretty sure now that this

is

a multiball setup, and I want to know whatever Quiet Owl knows

dear frog, the knowledge i have that you apparently do not is the signup post, and a less narrow perspective on things.

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)

- yes. I have had many elements like these in past games.

[Frogsterking]

It's mutual, but I'm also willing to engage with you about my reads if you want to try and seem interested

Alright, what's up furtive? Who are you willing to vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s actually infuriating that when I decide to give the opposing viewpoint a try, the people holding it buzz off to some other nonsense. I already have enough of that in my irl, don’t fucking do it here.

[Elements]

VOTE: owl

[HighPrincessErinys]

It’s actually infuriating that when I decide to give the opposing viewpoint a try, the people holding it buzz off to some other nonsense. I already have enough of that in my irl, don’t fucking do it here.

Have to concur that we really need to decide on a wagon some time in the next lifetime.

[furtiveglance]

It's mutual, but I'm also willing to engage with you about my reads if you want to try and seem interested

Alright, what's up furtive? Who are you willing to vote?

Maybe the tris replacement. But I really want to get you today, I feel like otherwise the whole gamestate will get clogged.

[Frogsterking]

With 4 pending replacement slots, it's probably going to be a while before we get a new Ythan. Back to this:

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I could be swayed onto furtive, but with my tris read kind of dropping before she replaced out, I'm not sure he is actually scum.

The fuck is this? Can you not vote-hop like a hummingbird that consumed caffeine?

It’s actually infuriating that when I decide to give the opposing viewpoint a try, the people holding it buzz off to some other nonsense. I already have enough of that in my irl, don’t fucking do it here.

It’s actually infuriating that when I decide to give the opposing viewpoint a try, the people holding it buzz off to some other nonsense. I already have enough of that in my irl, don’t fucking do it here.

Have to concur that we really need to decide on a wagon some time in the next lifetime.

Can you two stop getting baited by the anti town roles please

[Frogsterking]

It's mutual, but I'm also willing to engage with you about my reads if you want to try and seem interested

Alright, what's up furtive? Who are you willing to vote?

Maybe the tris replacement. But I really want to get you today, I feel like otherwise the whole gamestate will get clogged.

You have to convince me that the tris slot isn't townsided first. Why would you help town take down the tris slot? What do you think they are?

[Quiet Owl]

It's mutual, but I'm also willing to engage with you about my reads if you want to try and seem interested

Alright, what's up furtive? Who are you willing to vote?

Maybe the tris replacement. But I really want to get you today, I feel like otherwise the whole gamestate will get clogged.

You have to convince me that the tris slot isn't townsided first. Why would you help town take down the tris slot? What do you think they are?

what, you'll selfvote if you're convinced that tris is scum? what on earth are you saying here

[Frogsterking]

It’s actually infuriating that when I decide to give the opposing viewpoint a try, the people holding it buzz off to some other nonsense. I already have enough of that in my irl, don’t fucking do it here.

Owl is next. You...aren't aligned with Owl, are you?

[Gamma Emerald]

That lasted all of 5 seconds.

[Frogsterking]

You have nothing to offer me Owl unless you're willing to help kill furtive.

[furtiveglance]

I think I'm reading D1 really well for once

[Ranger]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

Cases are to make an argument.

A case is presenting a viewpoint.

A case CAN be simply gathering your beliefs and opening them up to criticism (what you're saying is a case) but I'll bet you most players don’t share that definition, and would instead say the primary purpose of a case is to

convince

players on a read, by presenting the reasons for the read to be true.

If imaginality was truly conftown to you, you wouldn't have needed to use exclusively breadcrumbs of masonry to defend him from the Suspicion.
You would have seen the merits by which he was town, and been able to argue his towniness from your lens of knowing he is town. You would still breadcrumb, but you wouldn’t rely exclusively on breadcrumbs to defend him.

You didn’t, because he's not actually conftown to you and you know it. You didn’t see his posts through the lens of

knowing

he's town and the resulting knowledge letting you see how his posts are town. If you saw so much as a single thing not role related to townread him by, you'd have pointed it out when defending him, with the breadcrumbs as secondary.

Instead, you instantly defaulted to relying exclusively on breadcrumbs to try and avert the wagon on him, because you can't see him as town off of play due to him not being conftown.

I know I'm right and you know I'm right. You might be frustrated by me ruining your gambit, but I am frustrated by your gambit

protecting scum

.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you.

I have kept my scumread on imaginality for one simple reason:
He doesn’t look town by play;
He looks like scum by play;
Nobody has given me any reason to think differently;
I know you and your methods so I know you're not being truthful.

If you presented a play-based reason for him to be town, I genuinely wouldn't have outed the breadcrumbs in the first place, because I would've believed you. But you didn’t. You relied exclusively on breadcrumbing role, and that told me more than you wanted it to. It told me you were gambiting with a fakeclaim of imaginality being conftown, and you wanted pressure off of him because you genuinely believe your roles make him town.

If I had any reason at all to think imaginality wasn’t scum, I'd let you do your thing. But he

is

scum, no matter how much you believe otherwise, so letting you do your thing is simply too dangerous for the town.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Quiet Owl

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I just point out {Frog, CSF, Ranger} KEEP VOTING TOGETHER?

[Elements]

Can I just point out {Frog, CSF, Ranger} KEEP VOTING TOGETHER?

do i not as well?