i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[MathBlade]

In what world is Frogger going “hey d1 elim between 4 players” when he’s a top wagon?

Xyzzy's

That means we're looking at a D1 elimination between

Furtive/Quiet Owl/Math/kittens

All four of you should be maintaining up to date reads lists fyi to help us sort you.

PEdit:

That goes for you too Math. The sooner you post your reads the more likely I'll be to cooperate with you.

Math pretending to be empathetic toward Titus is a good sign that Math is lying.

*middle finger gif*

yeah that bothers me too
I don't get the same vibes I did in LOST from Math (albeit we were scumbuddies but there was some openwolfing on Math's part there)

Admittedly in LOST I had Covid and was barely able to post words or anything coherently and was trying to just summon desire to post. Warrior Cats is a better example of a scum game where my brain wasn’t confuzzled

Not sure on this take but gut says SvS.

You mean like two posts before this one?

C’mon dude. If you’re town slow down and breathe and give me a chance to actually read and formulate more.

If you think I am scum, fine. At least let me “spew”.

[Frogsterking]

My intuition is that Gamma/Math/furtive are the group scum. Maybe imaginality too if Ranger's theory on Titus is correct.

At this point, this one is convinced there is almost no world in which Frogster is town here. If Jester wasn't a realistic probability this one would probably throw it's vote onto him but at this point ignoring him sounds like the better idea until we have some kind of idea of what his actual role is. Do not trust him either way, because both his actual play and his tone have been getting increasingly worse as the day progresses and it's both actually scummy and just plain frustrating to watch even if this one hasn't really been on the receiving end of his needlessly toxic aggression.

Yeah same, I would definitely, honestly be voting HPE if I wasn't so sure it's a jester, I swear.

[MathBlade]

My intuition is that Gamma/Math/furtive are the group scum. Maybe imaginality too if Ranger's theory on Titus is correct.

At this point, this one is convinced there is almost no world in which Frogster is town here. If Jester wasn't a realistic probability this one would probably throw it's vote onto him but at this point ignoring him sounds like the better idea until we have some kind of idea of what his actual role is. Do not trust him either way, because both his actual play and his tone have been getting increasingly worse as the day progresses and it's both actually scummy and just plain frustrating to watch even if this one hasn't really been on the receiving end of his needlessly toxic aggression.

Yeah same, I would definitely, honestly be voting HPE if I wasn't so sure it's a jester, I swear.

I’m kinda feeling the jester vibes. I don’t see how anyone can legit scumread 1/2 of a mason claim.

[Frogsterking]

My intuition is that Gamma/Math/furtive are the group scum. Maybe imaginality too if Ranger's theory on Titus is correct.

At this point, this one is convinced there is almost no world in which Frogster is town here. If Jester wasn't a realistic probability this one would probably throw it's vote onto him but at this point ignoring him sounds like the better idea until we have some kind of idea of what his actual role is. Do not trust him either way, because both his actual play and his tone have been getting increasingly worse as the day progresses and it's both actually scummy and just plain frustrating to watch even if this one hasn't really been on the receiving end of his needlessly toxic aggression.

Yeah same, I would definitely, honestly be voting HPE if I wasn't so sure it's a jester, I swear.

I’m kinda feeling the jester vibes. I don’t see how anyone can legit scumread 1/2 of a mason claim.

I just can't fathom why or how scum can claim masons with another player on D1 and expect to get anywhere. So I bin them as town pretty much

I already linked a counter example to this. I will do so again:

Mini Normal Bunnies

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

House = town
innocentvillager = scum

D1

Alright day one of pure MS productivity ban

tl;dr :

Don't give a shit.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Can't say you weren't warned.

Hardclaim Masons with innocentvillager

Softed on page 1 & my reads list (same green color code for me and iv, different code for other hard townreads). Interactions between us show familiarity when I've never been in a game with them. They call me town but don't justify it, unlike their other townreads.

iv didn't want me to out on d1 and one of our earlier public interactions was him trying to discourage me from it when I mentioned in Mason chat that it would suck to out early.

Your chainsaw came back to bite you in the ass. Lap & Frog are scum together.

Yes, this is true. I told him not to claim and I'm not too happy about his decision to out both of us here, but I have been pretty detached from this game so I've been trusting him to lead it anyway. I personally preferred a solo Mason claim if I was really in that much danger later on but he mentioned he thinks it's easier and more believable to just cement us both as town here.

As far as the Laplacian elimination goes, I think I'm mostly okay with this? His ISO is whatever and doesn't seem like he's going to be more readable. There's part of me that worries about "there's too little resistance for Lap to be scum", but Lap was under so much pressure from the get-go that I could see scum turbobussing their deadweight partner that flaked and doing some sort of "damage control". Idk tbh - I certainly don't feel strong enough to stop this anyway

I think it will be interesting to see who mafia nightkills in the next couple days - if they decide House and I are worth killing over trying to hunt more useful PRs, that might be useful information.

D2

I'm definitely townreading House for the mason claim, I think it's a really crazy play to make as a pocket

VOTE: VP Baltar

I think RTP being the kill over me and House strongly suggests either me/VP are scum given that we were both in their solve. It's too wifomy of a kill if both me and VP are town and I really don't see why scum wouldn't just let koba deathtunnel town!VP

Hi sorry guys - this game has been moving rly fast and I haven’t put much time here

I have information that Something Smart is probably scum, I would maybe be like 95% on it

VOTE: Something Smart

Im not sure if I should just claim or not but I’m willing to

If we get a few more yeses I will claim

To be clear House is the vigilante right, If I’m seeing this correctly

Okay - I’m a town even nights Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

You just lie and claim something else and get +town for it because of https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... n_Audacity. It's not that hard. Easy, even.

[Quiet Owl]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

[Frogsterking]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Hmm, I could still be wrong on Math. I don't think I'm wrong on kittens.

[Frogsterking]

Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.

I don’t have a full list yet but rn

my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.

I’m sorry I don’t have any more confident reads yet.

Yeah it makes it look like you haven't been solving. If you continue to expand with more reads from what you have here then that would be helpful at least.

[MathBlade]

My intuition is that Gamma/Math/furtive are the group scum. Maybe imaginality too if Ranger's theory on Titus is correct.

At this point, this one is convinced there is almost no world in which Frogster is town here. If Jester wasn't a realistic probability this one would probably throw it's vote onto him but at this point ignoring him sounds like the better idea until we have some kind of idea of what his actual role is. Do not trust him either way, because both his actual play and his tone have been getting increasingly worse as the day progresses and it's both actually scummy and just plain frustrating to watch even if this one hasn't really been on the receiving end of his needlessly toxic aggression.

Yeah same, I would definitely, honestly be voting HPE if I wasn't so sure it's a jester, I swear.

I’m kinda feeling the jester vibes. I don’t see how anyone can legit scumread 1/2 of a mason claim.

I just can't fathom why or how scum can claim masons with another player on D1 and expect to get anywhere. So I bin them as town pretty much

I already linked a counter example to this. I will do so again:

Mini Normal Bunnies

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

House = town
innocentvillager = scum

D1

Alright day one of pure MS productivity ban

tl;dr :

Don't give a shit.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Can't say you weren't warned.

Hardclaim Masons with innocentvillager

Softed on page 1 & my reads list (same green color code for me and iv, different code for other hard townreads). Interactions between us show familiarity when I've never been in a game with them. They call me town but don't justify it, unlike their other townreads.

iv didn't want me to out on d1 and one of our earlier public interactions was him trying to discourage me from it when I mentioned in Mason chat that it would suck to out early.

Your chainsaw came back to bite you in the ass. Lap & Frog are scum together.

Yes, this is true. I told him not to claim and I'm not too happy about his decision to out both of us here, but I have been pretty detached from this game so I've been trusting him to lead it anyway. I personally preferred a solo Mason claim if I was really in that much danger later on but he mentioned he thinks it's easier and more believable to just cement us both as town here.

As far as the Laplacian elimination goes, I think I'm mostly okay with this? His ISO is whatever and doesn't seem like he's going to be more readable. There's part of me that worries about "there's too little resistance for Lap to be scum", but Lap was under so much pressure from the get-go that I could see scum turbobussing their deadweight partner that flaked and doing some sort of "damage control". Idk tbh - I certainly don't feel strong enough to stop this anyway

I think it will be interesting to see who mafia nightkills in the next couple days - if they decide House and I are worth killing over trying to hunt more useful PRs, that might be useful information.

D2

I'm definitely townreading House for the mason claim, I think it's a really crazy play to make as a pocket

VOTE: VP Baltar

I think RTP being the kill over me and House strongly suggests either me/VP are scum given that we were both in their solve. It's too wifomy of a kill if both me and VP are town and I really don't see why scum wouldn't just let koba deathtunnel town!VP

Hi sorry guys - this game has been moving rly fast and I haven’t put much time here

I have information that Something Smart is probably scum, I would maybe be like 95% on it

VOTE: Something Smart

Im not sure if I should just claim or not but I’m willing to

If we get a few more yeses I will claim

To be clear House is the vigilante right, If I’m seeing this correctly

Okay - I’m a town even nights Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

You just lie and claim something else and get +town for it because of https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... n_Audacity. It's not that hard. Easy, even.

Oh yeah…that game hurt my brain

[MathBlade]

At the risk of being an absolute ass, Frog why are you being angry everywhere?

You’re clearly not raging out like you were when I defended Pooky.

This is something else. Why are you doing it? This isn’t unrestricted anger.

This is something else I don’t know how to read.

[Frogsterking]

That would be pretty sweet if tris were scum who had us snowed and Math came in and blew their cover. I kind of think I need longer on Math to decide. *gestures toward offer to antitown slots of policy elimming math before Math starts a massclaim*

[MathBlade]

@Titus I would love that answer to why two town blocks btw

Game seems incredibly scattered imho

I see common threads of agreement “Eg Frog is being mean”

But I don’t see town blocks.

[Frogsterking]

At the risk of being an absolute ass, Frog why are you being angry e

I stopped reading here. Get a reads list up at the soonest opportunity that's convenient for you. Thank you.

[kitten around]

Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.

I don’t have a full list yet but rn

my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.

I’m sorry I don’t have any more confident reads yet.

Yeah it makes it look like you haven't been solving. If you continue to expand with more reads from what you have here then that would be helpful at least.

I understand that but it’s not from a lack of trying. Some games I don’t have reads until we get flips or as late as d3, so none of that makes me scum here.

[MathBlade]

That would be pretty sweet if tris were scum who had us snowed and Math came in and blew their cover. I kind of think I need longer on Math to decide. *gestures toward offer to antitown slots of policy elimming math before Math starts a massclaim*

?? Why would I start a mass claim ??

I call for them when I generally believe in them.

I see no evidence a mass claim is beneficial here in any way.

[MathBlade]

At the risk of being an absolute ass, Frog why are you being angry e

I stopped reading here. Get a reads list up at the soonest opportunity that's convenient for you. Thank you.

Already did of who are top wagons.

If they aren’t a top wagon I kinda don’t care.

[MathBlade]

Until someone strikes me as scum I don’t want to rock what’s started.

[KittyTacky]

i assume that a jester!frog here wins when dead, in which case the course of action here is probably to ignore him completely until we have reason to suspect that he's a different sort of scum?

mcmenno mentioned having a role that interferes with investigatives so i assume that if true that's a counter to someone else's role. would be a convenient way of resolving the frog conundrum.

The problem with leaving a jest alive is that they can derail discussions and make it hard to scumhunt. I'm still not sure if he's actually jester or just scum acting like jester tho.

I hope there's a vig.

[MathBlade]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

[Frogsterking]

i assume that a jester!frog here wins when dead, in which case the course of action here is probably to ignore him completely until we have reason to suspect that he's a different sort of scum?

mcmenno mentioned having a role that interferes with investigatives so i assume that if true that's a counter to someone else's role. would be a convenient way of resolving the frog conundrum.

The problem with leaving a jest alive is that they can derail discussions and make it hard to scumhunt. I'm still not sure if he's actually jester or just scum acting like jester tho.

I hope there's a vig.

Can you imagine something cool in your fantasy world for me, KT?

[KittyTacky]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

Ythan is a townlean for me.

[MathBlade]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

Ythan is a townlean for me.

Why?

[Frogsterking]

Oh yeah…that game hurt my brain

I'd credit Bell primarily with helping me learn to resist this brand of manipulation:

Being vulnerable isn't bad, but during a game of mafia I wouldn't recommend it. People are trying to deceive, manipulate, etc. Even Town. Think of it as laser tag, once you're assigned a team and the music plays it's best to think of it as game on until the music stops.

................ Lukewarm go to bed.

I was talking to frogster.

Granades can be useful, even necessary. But sometimes it can feel like you have a million puzzle pieces, you're piecing them together and someone just throws a bunch of extra puzzle pieces around and dislodges a bunch of your work. Time and place.

This isn't a newbie game, Bell. I'll back off

Good night all.

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

+scum

No reads list and delberate redirection to literal RNG slots (the two that aren't Ythan.)

[kitten around]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

Two of them are no posters, there’s nothing to read. Ythan Idk, she sounded really tilted but I have no experience playing with her, so I agree with CSF that it would be wise to wait for a replacement.

[KittyTacky]

Vibes, it's weak but I haven't found a reason to scumread her slot. But we didn't interact much and she didn't post much so I'll wait for a replacement to really try to understand that slot.

[Frogsterking]

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

Ythan is a townlean for me.

I would think this is TMI if I hadn't seen KT have good reads in other games.