Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[innocentvillager]

@KT Tell me more on why Val is town?

@Math how does Freedom feel this game compared to his scum game? Has anyone played with town freedom?

Also, I still think that it could easily be Ydra+Skitter.

Ydra had been softing watcher ("

stares

at you until you understand"). She even softed it at IV, implying they knew they were visited by the doctor. Maybe just a coincidence?

My guess what happened if this is true is that Ydra+Skitter had to toss a coin on who does the killing since Fire had expressed suspicion on both slots the prior day. They chose wrong.

Ydra+Skitter were put in a tough place because if skitter is dead she had already softed a PR so probably would not make it alone to the end game. The gambit makes sense to try to save Skitter. Basically w/o Ydra's claim Skitter would be limmed already. And next day we would be asking Ydra to claim.

This theory isn’t totally ridiculous if you just remove the part where she softs watcher (which we got kind of caught up on, but I’m more interested in the rest of the post)

[Val89]

Absolutely go ahead and lim me if you think I have 40 percent scum equity.

I know you think this is some sort of AtE, but I've been trying (and apparently failing) to appeal to cold logic here.

The non-skitter VT pool are absolutely not going to get resolved by night kill - the only way it happens is via lim. If you aren't sure one or any of us are town, sort it now before it's too late.

[Toto]

@Val, all I have been saying is we can't afford to mis-lim the three of you, so you suggeting to line up lims 1) pisses me off because I don't like the logic 2) pisses me off because feels like you are lining up mislims.

@IV yeah second part of the theory works without the watcher, so could have been a red herring, easy for Ydra to refute. You think her ate-y stuff was fake?

[Firebringer]

I feel like I posted half hour ago

[Firebringer]

I mean 24 hours ago so I’m shocked I got prodded

[Firebringer]

If fire is scum he just went in blind and did this without consulting team

I generally don’t consult my scum team on my plans. I just do shit

[Firebringer]

Seems like Firebringer’s excuse on this wagon is literally just because he wants to see if skitter is right?

Skitter hyper focused on herta all game
I don’t understand cash want to flip herta as I think it’s telling for skitter

[Firebringer]

i would be fucking screaming crying throwing up if i was playing so bad they didn’t wanna kill me

weren't you trying to draw a night kill as a 1-shot cop. lmao.

are you intentionally this obtuse

I think ur actions def look like u were trying to draw a kill. But it also looks like it was just so u didn’t have to effort and play lazy and do ur check

[Val89]

Toto, I Am lining up mislims.

I'm saying 'I don't care about the order', but really I care deeply about the order.

Don't start with me, make sure you do the other two first.

[Freedom]

Absolutely go ahead and lim me if you think I have 40 percent scum equity.

I know you think this is some sort of AtE, but I've been trying (and apparently failing) to appeal to cold logic here.

The non-skitter VT pool are absolutely not going to get resolved by night kill - the only way it happens is via lim. If you aren't sure one or any of us are town, sort it now before it's too late.

You're not even a leading wagon though.

[Val89]

Yes, I am aware, but it is my belief, despite Totos insistence that we 'can't afford it', that out best chance of winning this game is to lim all 3 of us and hope the night actions (and maybe Totos info) helps sort the PR claims.

I would assume if it was something that was actually useful to sort today, we would know about it already, and the fact we haven't been told is that Toto judges its something that doesnt help sort directly, but might help catch scum in a lie.

Whatever it is, it isn't going to help sort anyone claiming VT, though.

[innocentvillager]

@Val, all I have been saying is we can't afford to mis-lim the three of you, so you suggeting to line up lims 1) pisses me off because I don't like the logic 2) pisses me off because feels like you are lining up mislims.

@IV yeah second part of the theory works without the watcher, so could have been a red herring, easy for Ydra to refute. You think her ate-y stuff was fake?

I don’t have a strong opinion about her alignment from the AtE.

[Toto]

*counts ten breaths*

Sigh,

The hypothetical scum val scenario I’m thinking is where your partner is say firebringer or math, or
Someone that would be hard to catch in an elo situation.

Also can you just like do the math and show me how we don’t lose to skitter+ydra.

[innocentvillager]

Idk I kinda expect a Pooky Ydrasse Skitter scum team to like, be better, idk if that makes sense

They are all very accomplished scum players and I’m sure they would want to win fairly badly

[Toto]

Freedom. What’s on your mind? Can you give a readlist. I’m thinking about voting you.

[Firebringer]

If I am in elo I’m not doing my job right,

But imagine a situation in which Toto is in elo

[innocentvillager]

I would be fairly shocked if this is the angle that they take as the 3 of them together.

However, I did sus Pooky + skitter pair at the beginning when Pooky was trying harder. They all kinda fell off quickly after like middle of D1 though so is it possible they’re trying to throw me off specifically? Possible but I think it’s way too specific of a goal for such a drastic change and it would feel very arrogant to assume they are changing everything because of one thing that I did

[Val89]

Also can you just like do the math and show me how we don’t lose to skitter+ydra.

If that's the team, we have two legit town protectives. I'm saying it's risk free, I'm saying I think it's the best chance.

[Toto]

I dont think I make elo despite being a super bad IC which apparently means my reads are supposed to be perfect despite being on the wrong wagon once.

[Herta]

I think it's time to stop torturing yourselves, and us, and choose. We need 6 votes and 18 hours to collect them. I"m willing to vote anyone really except for myself. I don't know that killing one of the three of us gets anyone any closer to a solve, especially with a green flip, as it would be with me.

[Toto]

The game where everyone wants to die

[Firebringer]

I want to live

[Toto]

Why are you voting herta again?

[Firebringer]

Because I’m super interested in his flip

[innocentvillager]

Toto I’ll mostly leave this one up to uou