New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Shirou]

I don't think there's a real gain for scum!ausuka to push shirou!town here because if it works, shirou gets left out, and that just signal boosts the scumread on Ausuka?

the comparison you're making shea is different because scum!ausuka in pictures needs to elim you to win the game.

I don't think scum is usually nearly as rational as you're trying to say here.

Scum don't necessarily think too much about the different scenarios of how the gamestate can develop with their actions, they most often just focus on trying to replicate what they perceive as their "town game", or what they see as town behavior in general, and hope that they'll not get voted. They may also later on think about pushing someone that seems easy to miseliminate or something along those nights, maybe a mechanical night plan, but my experience as a scum enthusiast is that there's sadly not enough thought put into it more often than not, because most don't even enjoy being scum in the first place.

[Ausuka]

Hey GL.

Plot Twist:

Lets dance together

this is too cute

I do not think 447 is even remotely good faith and am actively scumreading Shiro now

Although the setup means that doesn't really matter so lole

Instantly trying to say I'm scum when I begin to push you for what some see as "grasping at straws" is exactly what Andante did to me in one of my last games here...and she was scum. That doesn't say much about you at all but so far you're doing everything I would expect scum!you to do and I want you to help me be proven wrong about my guess in your alignment if I'm in fact wrong about it. As hard as it may be if you're a townie indignant that I'm pushing you, going into hard self-defense mode doesn't help anyone including you.

part of it is that I've made posts similar to the effort one before a lot because it just seems like a common sense thing to ask in a game that is likely to be memey. why would I not want to gauge how much effort I'm going to have to put into this game? A quick example is this viewtopic.php?p=10996222#p10996222

I also think I have said something similar in marathon games which you have played with me but that is going to require me looking back through the forum files to verify.

Additionally I still think that post where you accused me of talking to the audience was bad faith because like I really do not think my comment there was that difficult to understand in that I want to gauge how likely it is that someone from the outside would perceive me talking to my friends as awkward. I would have hoped that people don't perceive me as awkward in that kind of situation where I'm talking to people who I think are my friends but it's fine. You immediately jump to the conclusion that the simple question is playing to some kind of audience and I don't really understand why town you does that at all

[midwaybear]

honeslty, I viewed Ausuka's early game as more personality rather than scummy. idk how I feel about shiro yet but Im sussing the people who piled on
but I do like tsq progression on Ausuka

[Shirou]

she does bristle as town when she gets pushed

Oh really? That's actually a bummer, it makes it a bit more unlikely that she's scum perhaps. Not yet convinced she isn't though.

this is the last time i pushed ausuka town in d1;

viewtopic.php?p=13463519#p13463519

she is pretty quick on the omgus button

Maybe it's just town!Ausuka hitting the OMGUS button as you're saying, but if she is scum I would expect her to also do this same OMGUS behavior when my "accusations" are kinda "light"/easy to dismiss?

If I wanted to tryhard I would begin looking for how much she does this whole "talking to an audience/no one in particular" thing versus engaging people directly or non-reactively, I think that may be a more relevant tell if we were to discuss meta

(hint: I don't know about you but I don't want to get too much into meta stuff because it rarely ever works for me. Most of my "deep meta" reads are wrong, taking just a tiny bit of meta in consideration works better for me)

[Ausuka]

To be clear I do not remember shiro to actually remember me saying that but like

Idk I don't remember him making a big deal out of it before, although that does again require verifying, and since he hasn't been playing mafia since like around then I wouldn't have expected his views to change that much.

Also if I have done it around him as town before it seems unlikely that it would gut ping him on a subconscious level.

[Thestatusquo]

honeslty, I viewed Ausuka's early game as more personality rather than scummy. idk how I feel about shiro yet but Im sussing the people who piled on
but I do like tsq progression on Ausuka

Who are the people who piled on in your mind?

[midwaybear]

I was thinking specifically about ydra and fire. It's a bit odd to me because while I sus both of them for piling on, one of them is most likely town.

[Ydrasse]

I do not think 447 is even remotely good faith and am actively scumreading Shiro now

Although the setup means that doesn't really matter so lole

atp shirou is a lady so if you actively sr there you can campaign for him not to be matched ._.

obviously I meant that I couldn't vote. whatever.

What people think about this

it felt weird to me because it doesnt seem obvious and it like bothered me that ausuka omgus'd but then just went "oh well about it"
i use the word weird tho bc its like at the same time why do you blatantly just choose the route where you opt out of the fight knowing how that might come across

[Thestatusquo]

wait are we gunna get try hard ydrasse?

[Ydrasse]

i dont have active suspcions about fireisred but i think if they come across in pt im one of the people most likely to be able to spot it out a la invictus
i had a moment where i considered not dancing w fire because dancing with midway would be fun but it felt like a good thing to take while the offer was active

[midwaybear]

oh yeah std also popped in saying he liked shirou, but I can't really read that

[Shirou]

part of it is that I've made posts similar to the effort one before a lot because it just seems like a common sense thing to ask in a game that is likely to be memey. why would I not want to gauge how much effort I'm going to have to put into this game? A quick example is this viewtopic.php?p=10996222#p10996222

I also think I have said something similar in marathon games which you have played with me but that is going to require me looking back through the forum files to verify.

The game you linked to is kinda "bastard" by the fact that people outside of the game could post it, and marathon games are often not serious/very casual. In those contexts it does make a bit more sense to ask "are we going to seriously play mafia or not" because it's clearly an unusual situation, but this is just a normal dance large theme even if there's a familiar playerlist to you. It's a question that feels harder to think it would come as naturally to you, but fair point, you have done it in the past even if I think the context was substantially different.

[Thestatusquo]

Fireisreds interactions with me felt pretty earnest idk.

Maybe he just always kind of feels earnest.

[Ydrasse]

wait are we gunna get try hard ydrasse?

dance games are my favorites so yes

[Thestatusquo]

hell yeah

[Ydrasse]

fireisred spent like a 10000 page pt pocketing andante in a game to win it was disgusting

[Thestatusquo]

Andante is an extremely easy pocket tbf.

[Firebringer]

Andante is an extremely easy pocket tbf.

not for me.
she always figures scum me out when i try pocketing her

[Save The Dragons]

oh yeah std also popped in saying he liked shirou, but I can't really read that

Was there a question here

[Thestatusquo]

its because you stop scum claiming so we know you're scum.

Speaking of which you haven't scum claimed here yet.

[Shirou]

To be clear I do not remember shiro to actually remember me saying that but like

Idk I don't remember him making a big deal out of it before, although that does again require verifying, and since he hasn't been playing mafia since like around then I wouldn't have expected his views to change that much.

Also if I have done it around him as town before it seems unlikely that it would gut ping him on a subconscious level.

Heh, I should one day make a compilation of my weirdest scum reads that ended up being right. I do often have "unusual" pings about stuff people may not think it's alignment indicative, and I guess even if I get some right the question is if it was truly alignment indicative or just a coincidence, but either way yeah Norwe isn't here to fact-check that but maybe Fire can a bit? My read on scum!Andante was also rather "random" like this in our last game wasn't it Fire?

[GuiltyLion]

FB scumclaimed by proposing to me, town!FB would never

[Ydrasse]

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89501

pictured, in the main thread: me screaming crying throwing up about how fireisred is scum and pointing out all the reasons why in this post restrictd game while fire was doing THIS ALL GAME

[Firebringer]

i think shirou and Ausuka are town.
If one is not, i would lean Shirou.

That is my sorting as of this second.
Don't have any spicy scumreads yet.

Hoping this is Shea scum game so i can catch him tho

[Thestatusquo]

FB scumclaimed by proposing to me, town!FB would never

This is like when FB town read me in HoD because he assumed scum me would never in a million years give him power, which is something I've filed away for later.