Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[GrandpaMo]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

No it is what I meant. Maybe I chose poor words, English isn't my first language. What I meant is that we maybe we want to no eliminate and have a mech plan on the first days, get info and then consider eliminating/voting

@Aether

i don't understand how nolimming will help us.

if we no lim

do docs still try to target? we will still lose one regardless because u are most likely bound to have atleast 2 deaths at night.

i will meta read the other games this setup was played on

[Tabibitos]

I'm tired for today, I will go rest, good luck to us on making a consistent plan here

@Aether

P-edit: I think no limming give us more time to figure out the roles. For example, if we can figure out who is the quack or CPR, we can do my old plan consistently by guaranteeing that there will always be only one killing role on the protecting group.

My plan still works if we figure who is either the CPR or Quack. (and then we protect the Quack/CPR)

[Tabibitos]

Actually, NURSE PLEASE DONT CLAIM before we figure out what we will be doing. If we no eliminate for example, there may or not be any reason for Nurse to claim Day 1

@Aether

[GrandpaMo]

I'm tired for today, I will go rest, good luck to us on making a consistent plan here

@Aether

P-edit: I think no limming give us more time to figure out the roles. For example, if we can figure out who is the quack or CPR, we can do my old plan consistently by guaranteeing that there will always be only one killing role on the protecting group.

My plan still works if we figure who is either the CPR or Quack. (and then we protect the Quack/CPR)

have you thought about scum no killing at night?

[Tabibitos]

Please do not exhaust my poor Aether-kun. They need some time to think and rest. Mech-talk can continue then. And if you get bored waiting i’m always here for memes and fun.

- Lumine

[GrandpaMo]

its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889

they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.

it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)

if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out

i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add

[GrandpaMo]

i see that mafia dying in the night and nurse staying till endgame results in solo mafia winning. check out micro 256 viewtopic.php?t=32908

[Alianna]

its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889

they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.

it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)

if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out

i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add

technically there can be 4 town deaths if the quack doc kills, the cpr doc kills, the mafia kills, and the weak doc tries to save the maf.
an order like quack doc -> cpr doc -> jk -> vanilla doc -> naive doc -> weak doc -> mafia goon -> nurse -> mafia goon -> could cause this to happen.

[Abnegation]

its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889

they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.

it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)

if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out

i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add

technically there can be 4 town deaths if the quack doc kills, the cpr doc kills, the mafia kills, and the weak doc tries to save the maf.
an order like quack doc -> cpr doc -> jk -> vanilla doc -> naive doc -> weak doc -> mafia goon -> nurse -> mafia goon -> could cause this to happen.

and i just mainslipped lol. they really need more dark skins.

[GrandpaMo]

its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889

they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.

it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)

if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out

i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add

technically there can be 4 town deaths if the quack doc kills, the cpr doc kills, the mafia kills, and the weak doc tries to save the maf.
an order like quack doc -> cpr doc -> jk -> vanilla doc -> naive doc -> weak doc -> mafia goon -> nurse -> mafia goon -> could cause this to happen.

that just goes in the world of hypotheticals lol. ig thats why i didnt really include it there because of its implausible situation

[Abnegation]

true. i only pointed it out because you said "these are all possible situations."

[Vanderscamp]

I suppose if we consider no eliminating we can do some fun plans but I'm not sure people would want that

@Aether

I'm in if it's somehow helpful

[Vanderscamp]

Personally I think no elimination and trying to mostly win this game with convulated night actions sounds more fun but I would probably be in the minority on that.

@Aether

It sounds harder!

[Vanderscamp]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

[Vanderscamp]

I can't think of anything much better than circular targeting

[Abnegation]

i'll UNVOTE: , mine was just rvs.
why do you want to vote them though?

[GrandpaMo]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

m8 what. i come up with reads, u bandwagon on my reads, then come up with the idea to circular target, u follow that also same idea lmao

and u read me as scum?

[GrandpaMo]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

m8 what. i come up with reads, u bandwagon on my reads, then come up with the idea to circular target, u follow that also same idea lmao

and u read me as scum?

this is like scolocisis voting me because they think im pocketing town who haven't even read the game yet.

lol

[Galron]

VOTE: abegnation

New year slow.

[Vanderscamp]

i'll UNVOTE: , mine was just rvs.
why do you want to vote them though?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Overanalyze-ey, just kind of weird level of focus for what the post was

[Vanderscamp]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

m8 what. i come up with reads, u bandwagon on my reads, then come up with the idea to circular target, u follow that also same idea lmao

and u read me as scum?

You could be!
And I could definitely be wrong.

I agree with one of your initial reads, I didn't agree with the other one.

[GrandpaMo]

i'll UNVOTE: , mine was just rvs.
why do you want to vote them though?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Overanalyze-ey, just kind of weird level of focus for what the post was

welcome to 2023 where we vote town for trying to gamesolve

kidding aside, what post are you specifically referring to?

[GrandpaMo]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

m8 what. i come up with reads, u bandwagon on my reads, then come up with the idea to circular target, u follow that also same idea lmao

and u read me as scum?

You could be!
And I could definitely be wrong.

I agree with one of your initial reads, I didn't agree with the other one.

you could be makes you not confident

what makes you think im scum if u agree with my read and my idea? other than im "overanalyzey"

[Vanderscamp]

i'll UNVOTE: , mine was just rvs.
why do you want to vote them though?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Overanalyze-ey, just kind of weird level of focus for what the post was

welcome to 2023 where we vote town for trying to gamesolve

kidding aside, what post are you specifically referring to?

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[Vanderscamp]

i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.

that's not what aether said lol.

they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"

this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.

Intent to vote except last I checked you were on E-2 or something.

m8 what. i come up with reads, u bandwagon on my reads, then come up with the idea to circular target, u follow that also same idea lmao

and u read me as scum?

You could be!
And I could definitely be wrong.

I agree with one of your initial reads, I didn't agree with the other one.

you could be makes you not confident

what makes you think im scum if u agree with my read and my idea? other than im "overanalyzey"

Yep, I'm not confident at all.

It was the tone of the way you responded.