Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Flea The Magician]

obligatory yoink.

[Flea The Magician]

Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

Immediately in to clarify and expand on your own point. You offer your thoughts and provide two reasons for furtives "passive" behaviour.
Limited time
Not valuing sorting your teammate.

Limited time, it's a mafia game. We've a good amount of time. This also implies pre-existing knowledge of each other to some extent.
Nancy and me value sorting each other because honestly we can both go deep and we can both tear a game down. That's why I'm prioritising sorting her. Looking at the other teams...
Snakes and Parrots are the only ones I'm almost entirely inexperienced with as individual players, each other team has someone I recognise as being a strong player and I would prioritise sorting there if I was in that team.

Following the implication of pre-existing knowledge of each other which is evident beyond more than just this post here, I'd suspect you'd want to sort furtive out too fairly quickly as from memory he can be tricksy.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

Hot load of fresh nothing here. We have a basic phrase which is universally true, then something I've noticed you do a lot.

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, but

You acknowledge a resource or a point

, but

then use an irrelevant point as a partial and indirect dismissal.

He isn't exactly running around screaming for people to engage with him, but he answers questions.
You could argue he's possibly trying to avoid scrutiny by saying he doesn't have a read on me yet, but I find the way he's talked about it quite natural.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I have said something very close to "I don't have a strong read on Player X yet, why would I state a read on them out loud" in a game as Town before.

Formatting mine for ease of reading.

"He's not looking for interaction - is answering questions though" - ok, some people are reflexive players, I often become a reflexive player when I'm a but snowed under. This is defensive as you've given a justification for a perceived lack of action which wasn't even part of the challenge.

"You could argue" - Pre-emptive defense.

"he's possibly trying to avoid scrutiny by saying he doesn't have a read on me yet" - Hell of a reach. A lot of the game is nullread by me currently. Nullreads this early won't really bring scrutiny. Its like day 3 of the game? It's also a perspective shift from my initial points.

It also sounds like you suspect furtive of keeping his cards close to his chest

specifically with regards to my slot

. In order for this to be scum indicative, IMO, you need to have some theory for what makes scum!furtive specifically want to play his cards close to his chest

with regards to me

. Granted, I think there are reasons scum could do this, but I can also think of reasons town would do this.

You tldr your interpretation of my stance, which is accurate enough aside from that I am suspicious but do not yet suspect - minor but vital difference to me at least.
Next bit stumps me a bit, In order for that to be SAI I need a reason for furtive to do that specifically with your slot... you're on the same team, if youre both scum there's a 50% chance of scum going a buddy down. That's a pretty big darn reason if you ask me.
"Yes scum

COULD

so this

, but

town

would

too." - I still need to get used to your style overall but this bit stands out as its not solid language. Could brings the implication of choice, would suggests action will be taken by town in that situation. I'm probably overthinking at this point but it strikes me as an attempt to LAMIST without the song and dance that usually comes with it.

[furtiveglance]

Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

[furtiveglance]

The second line is, specifically
I feel like for me I play mafia for social reasons since I’m starved of irl social fulfillment rn

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[furtiveglance]

probably be easier to read later too, i'm kind of out of the flow and can't remember how do day one

i think furtive is just furtiveposting

Is this a nullread on me?

[furtiveglance]

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

[furtiveglance]

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

[Save The Dragons]

I think Meg is town

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

[furtiveglance]

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

Is this about the exchange between me and Flea? I think you accused me as well but I didn't feel the need to respond to you because you never expanded on it.

[Save The Dragons]

It's every attack against you you just feel like meh

[furtiveglance]

It's every attack against you you just feel like meh

If I felt like I was in more danger, then perhaps I'd be more emotional. I feel quite calm about the gamestate.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

elaborate?

[furtiveglance]

Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

elaborate?

Well...something like 'fingerguns' or 'the more you know' feels a bit deadbeat, whereas Cephrir's thing about the Gold Dragons is deliberately louder so I find it less suspicious because it's asking for attention

[Save The Dragons]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

[Gamma Emerald]

that's very esoteric but makes some sense
I don't think I disagree with that atm

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

[furtiveglance]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

[Save The Dragons]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

You cracked the code!

Actually it was her read on you that pinged me. It feels forced. I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

[Save The Dragons]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I feel like this is just throwing shade whereas Gamma was actually curious and wanted to know more

[furtiveglance]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I feel like this is just throwing shade whereas Gamma was actually curious and wanted to know more

I don't agree with this list. There's a chance you're right on one or maybe two just because there are 4 Mafia but none of these players are my preferred votes

[Save The Dragons]

Why? did I nail your partners

[furtiveglance]

Why? did I nail your partners

All 4 of them yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

You cracked the code!

Actually it was her read on you that pinged me. It feels forced. I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

okay