New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Shirou]

I probably will have my PC back this weekend so I probably will at least be around to chat in the PT if you wanna

See ya guys

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Maybe its slightly +town to be so open about all this. his mindset feels very open.

"romance is dead and I'm here to hit on everyone"

Maybe its slightly +town to be so open about all this. his mindset feels very open.

"romance is dead and I'm here to hit on everyone"

who are you talking about here?

tsq

I dont think Shirou's scumread of Ausuka is really scum-motivated because shading in the paired ladies doesnt really help shirou get paired?

If he was scum trying to push a scumread atp I'd expect him to be shading in the unpaired ladies.

I don't think there's a real gain for scum!ausuka to push shirou!town here because if it works, shirou gets left out, and that just signal boosts the scumread on Ausuka?

the comparison you're making shea is different because scum!ausuka in pictures needs to elim you to win the game.

she does bristle as town when she gets pushed

Oh really? That's actually a bummer, it makes it a bit more unlikely that she's scum perhaps. Not yet convinced she isn't though.

this is the last time i pushed ausuka town in d1;

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she is pretty quick on the omgus button

When Shirou and Ausuka were going at it I found Aristeia’s defense of Ausuka towny

I think??? this is a good take: TSQ as scum would not be so present in the thread on New Years Eve?? This might be dumb but if anyone as I was skimming, he kinda seemed the most like an old guy seated out on his front porch to oversee everything and comment on it all… and that sounds fun to do as town and sounds like hard work to do as scum. And idk my gut says scum doesn’t take on hard work on New Years Eve.

Shirou/Ausuka did very little to help me read either of them, but I thought Shirou saying “I made up the scumread so Meuh would pair with me” was lightly scummy

I think the towniest thing tsq did was like signal amplifying on Ausuka immediately after Shirou pushed her because I don't see why mafia would ever do that to their own dance partner because like ??

why does it even matter what Unowen's alignment is to Baltar at that point in time?

Baltar's a lady. Getting a match is more important than checking to make sure the player he's matching with is town.

If Unowen is mafia, he's getting paired with someone regardless of whether Baltar reads him correctly.

Hypothetically speaking if Baltar is town and Unowen is mafia, how does Baltar scumreading Unowen correctly before the pairing really do anything?

Like let's say Baltar reads Unowen and decides Unowen's mafia.

What's he supposed to do then? If he says no I don't want to dance with you, Unowen!Scum just goes and picks another lady and baltar gets flipped and then ???

If Baltar pairs with Unowen and then decides later in the PT that Unowen is mafia, he can just press leave and Unowen gets flipped.

Like I don't really see a scenario where it's better to be picky instead of just grabbing the first proposal that comes your way unless you want to like endgame and everyone thinks you're town.

ok yeah mostly these + the push on cakez were where i felt the vibes

so that's
- defending shea (ausuka and shea are paired at this point)
- pushing that ausuka and shirou are tvt
- again defending shea
- defending baltar

all of these felt off to me at the time and were a part of why i was scumreading ari. the points were correct but the way she was making them felt like it was motivated

i think it's pretty likely that a standard scum approach to this would be to defend the town that is paired with a scum partner. it's easy to do because you can use your tmi powers to push something that is correct, it doesn't actually implicate you for defending scum, and it helps prevent your scum partners from getting eliminated

im slightly talking myself into a furtive scum world here. i think especially that ari's argument with shea, while probably unaligned with shea, is interesting for the fact that she never really pressured shea at all for it or had any sense of a threat of scumreading him due to the argument. some people have said that the argument felt off, and i think it's possible that this is why. not that she's paired with shea, but that she isn't interested in limming him bc his partner was scum

i also think that similarly the defense of baltar could be motivated to protect owen

thoughts?

Never thought about scum defending their buddies' partners as a means to shield them, there's a whole layer to this I hadn't considered lmao
I did notice Ari defending Shea right before defending Ausuka which now that you bring it up, yeah they're a pair so her behaviour towards them as a group is interesting
Though regarding Shea/Ausuka, do you think the opposite could be true and Shea is the partner while Ausuka is town? I should probably give a second look at that argument between Ari/Shea but last I checked I don't think it looked impossible to be paired. Because I think that's a more likely possibility at this point
I guess it doesn't really matter who the scum is in that group as long as there's one, huh
UNOwen is definitely someone I wanna give a second look to at some point but even with this I don't really want to vote there, I think if we flip MariaR/Furtive and see red though, his scum equity's definitely up

[Save The Dragons]

Where has the meuh of the past hour been all game

[fireisredsir]

ari's scumgame is good but i think she isn't at all afraid to be straightforward and just push for what she wants

last time i played against her i saw the points at which it looked like she could be making these same types of pushes of scum agenda but i wasn't willing to pull the trigger on it partly bc it seemed like it was almost too blatant (specifically thinking of turing test where she pushed for the kitty towncase right when she needed a dann elim, for those who played/read that)

What is this in reference to this game?

2362

[furtiveglance]

ari's scumgame is good but i think she isn't at all afraid to be straightforward and just push for what she wants

last time i played against her i saw the points at which it looked like she could be making these same types of pushes of scum agenda but i wasn't willing to pull the trigger on it partly bc it seemed like it was almost too blatant (specifically thinking of turing test where she pushed for the kitty towncase right when she needed a dann elim, for those who played/read that)

What is this in reference to this game?

2362

Well of that post the point that potentially rings true the most to me is defending Owen by using Baltar as a proxy

[fireisredsir]

I did notice Ari defending Shea right before defending Ausuka which now that you bring it up, yeah they're a pair so her behaviour towards them as a group is interesting
Though regarding Shea/Ausuka, do you think the opposite could be true and Shea is the partner while Ausuka is town? I should probably give a second look at that argument between Ari/Shea but last I checked I don't think it looked impossible to be paired. Because I think that's a more likely possibility at this point
I guess it doesn't really matter who the scum is in that group as long as there's one, huh

it's possible yes. i think it's pretty unlikely that shea was scum personally but obviously nothing is 100%. i think it's more likely that her argument with shea (which was about whether cakez was scum or not) had the vibe that it did bc she didnt want to push the pairing.

but yea it doesn't really matter which it is

[Meuh]

Now that I am back to my casual self, before I go off to do house chores I need to say:

Meuh, my white knight in shining armor, forgive me for not giving much attention to our relationship.

Before I knew it, I started to lose myself. Day and night, I attempted to slay and slay amidst the greenish forrest...all in the hopes of achieving the thrill of being bathed in the filthy red of the enemy.

My conscience questioned me, "Oh foolish youngster, toxicity in the name of justice is still toxicity!" But I was blind, and kept screaming "Nay! Toxicity in the name of justice

is Justice!

".

And then I AtE'd, and slayed, and AtE'd, and slayed...but eventually, so bathed in bloodlust, I became unrecognizable to those I was trying to save and protect.

Perhaps, I had became something worse than what I set out to destroy.

Then I took out my battered armor, and sheated my bloodied sword. While pondering if I had done a good enough job and could already rest, I painfully realized:

As much as I try, I can be no hero of justice at all. After all, I am just a clueless lady helplessly enamored to her prince.

Now that the dust has settled...I realize that may biggest mistake goes further than the mere question of whether the enemies I fought are even real. My biggest regret, truly must be trading love for bloodlust...

Oh how I forgive you...

I've already made this clear but I believe in redemption, truly so, truly so!

I will still fight off the enemy in your honour, that I will.

So do hibernate, rest my dear Shirou!

Love can wait, your health cannot.

I will happily bring you some chicken soup to cleanse you from the toxicity of these past days...

I will throw your armour into the laundry machine for you. (That's how you clean armour, right?)

While you rest I will keep an eye out, fret not, the enemy will be found!

Justice will be achieved, trust me.

And later you can return stronger than ever, recovery is oh so important!

I believe in you, lady Shirou.

I may be a prince but you surpass my regalness tenfold! Truly!

I know the bloodlust will fade.

When you return, your sword will be sharper than ever and we can kill.

Not in the name of killing, but in the name of peace, of joy, of redemption, and most of all,

of love

.

[Meuh]

I probably will have my PC back this weekend so I probably will at least be around to chat in the PT if you wanna

See ya guys

See ya! I'll probably drop some more thoughts in there at some point.

[Meuh]

Where has the meuh of the past hour been all game

I've just been feeling like shit tbh

[VP Baltar]

Example No.1 is cakez and No. 2 is ari.

you can't deny neither cakez nor ari were desperate to the same extent furtive is

I think they were more subtle sure, but if you read ari's reax to the norwee push, it looks kinda desperate in hindsight.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: UNOwen/VP Baltar

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: UNOwen/VP Baltar

Desperation

[UNOwen]

@Unowen your leafs are dazzling and I would like you to come be part of the MariaR/Furt wagon family. What would it take for this dream of mine to be realized?

Flattery has got you 80% of the way. What do you think of Ydrasse? I have a feeling she's scum.

can you give reasons please? i usually find your reasoning behind your reads to be fairly solid and well thought-out as town, even if you're generally quiet about it. so i would like to hear it

The reason is that her early play looked designed to get partnered by someone, specifically the point about Meuh. The comment on Drapion does not have much of a scum motivation at all really if you think about it, so I'm very unconvinced that Ydrasse was as bothered about it as she's making out. More likely explanation for her zeroing in on it is that she was trying to look proactive and solvy.

That's a tone read which admittedly I could just be interpreting wrongly. I don't think so though. Nothing else she's done points to town. The big post she made on reads a while back looked designed to keep options open ("X could be the case but maybe it's Y" etc.) and her defense of you when you were under pressure looked pretty panicked and not very interested in your alignment.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: UNOwen/VP Baltar

Desperation

D_D

[furtiveglance]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

[UNOwen]

@Unowen your leafs are dazzling and I would like you to come be part of the MariaR/Furt wagon family. What would it take for this dream of mine to be realized?

Flattery has got you 80% of the way. What do you think of Ydrasse? I have a feeling she's scum.

This will probably sound like pocketing but I almost posted a "maybe Ydra is scum" from the fact she seems to like even Furtive slot so much. It feels TMI to town read furt here if he's town, except maybe if you townread a lot Ausuka, but that's not what I got from her post.

I didn't want to upset more people than I should in order to get my wagon but oh well if sharing those "secret" thoughts about ydra help us mindmeld...

If MariaR is town, my next suspect would be Firebringer, but considering he's with he IC and will self-resolve, I could attempt to wagon fire/ydra with you tomoŕrow as a trade-off if we get MariaR flip today. I can't guarantee I would stay there the entire day but I would try to for at least half. How does that exchange of voting sound?

I dislike both fire/ydra insistence on hard town reading MariaR/Furt

I'm tempted but I'm hoping we can get Ydrasse today, which probably depends on GuiltyLion I think.
I believe you're wrong about Maria but not totally against sheeping you if necessary (especially if me and Baltar are the alternative).

[UNOwen]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

[midwaybear]

Nothing else she's done points to town.

I think she's town rn cuz she came out of both flips ready to solve

[furtiveglance]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

[UNOwen]

Nothing else she's done points to town.

I think she's town rn cuz she came out of both flips ready to solve

What do you mean?

[midwaybear]

If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them.

that's not a great argument cuz scum don't always try to save their buddy. ari was softbussing cakez remember
and when you consider everything outside of that, it's unlikely either of us play the way we've played as scum

[UNOwen]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

a) that only makes sense as a reason if Enchant is scum right?
b) you're townreading the rest of the game?

[furtiveglance]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

a) that only makes sense as a reason if Enchant is scum right?
b) you're townreading the rest of the game?

Not your pair. And not really Firebringer but don't want to vote IC pair

[midwaybear]

Nothing else she's done points to town.

I think she's town rn cuz she came out of both flips ready to solve

What do you mean?

after cakez flipped scum, she noted that cakez is a known busser and started pulling quotes. I didn't get an agenda-y vibe from it.
after ari flipped scum, she started pushing you/vpb and pulled up a gazillion vote counts.
I feel that scum generally don't come in with so much energy after their buddies have gotten flipped.

[UNOwen]

Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

a) that only makes sense as a reason if Enchant is scum right?
b) you're townreading the rest of the game?

Not your pair. And not really Firebringer but don't want to vote IC pair

That doesn't answer the first Q.
You're townreading the entire game except me/vpb/enchant/midway/firebringer?