Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[MegAzumarill]

VC 8.0.2

Firebringer (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow [E-3]

Not Voting (6) Magician, Firebringer, Past Present Future, T-Bone, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate
Deadline (expired on 2023-01-11 13:19:33)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 2.0.3
Mastina (4) Unwnd, Furtiveglance, firebringer, Yume [E-4]

past Present Future (3) Toogeloo, Enchant, Scarfmanship

MMR (2) Radical Rat, T-bone
Scarfmanship (2) Past Present Future, Mastina

furtiveglance (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,


Not Voting (3) Ydrasse, MMR, Mathblade,

Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

mastina wagon was a distraction and I find it unlikely for it to be all town

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Daily reminder that PPF's spam posting on the topic of me is a diversion from the fact that they have NO reads and will NOT make reads because that would give town information about who their partners are.

Also PPF is town, source: Dude trust me, just let me use my solar rolecop ability real quick tonight and then make up some fakeclaim tomorrow.

I was rr reading scarf's iso to see if the slot did have any associaives ( last night I was saying to klick that I town read all three slots, which is actually quite unusual, but also that none of them did anything massively out of a good scum range, but I didn't scum read barely any posts - early scarf seemed scumny but really towned it up re the Mmr/PPF thing) and found this. This has kind of been my problem with the Ppf slot all along: I don't know where they stand.

They've been vaguely softing a scum read in us for like....three phases now, without any follow through? They don't engage with players like drapion about it, it's just kind of....there (I feel it's because they know that I'm scum reading them)

Klick has been saying that they can't see the scum motivation for a lot of their posting, but I struggle to see how their posting moves the game forward.

It's also a Poe thing: it's probably not scarf, if it's t bone or cafe they are playing really, really well, enchant has done some town indicative things....

(Also, scarfs pressure on MMR just means they are not aligned. The claim didn't need a bus in the way that scarf did.)

B.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR, you are able to check someone tonight, right?

Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
-Rubella

I can check somebody tonight. I'll probably go with a TR.
-Rubella

Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
-Rubella

I can check somebody tonight. I'll probably go with a TR.
-Rubella

I meant SR.
It was a slip of the tongue.
-Rubella

That's not why I made shifty eyes.

So this is where I reveal my shifty eyes: MMR, you said you are able to check someone tonight. When you roleclaimed you can check one person each night.

The next phase is not night. It's noon.

To be clear, this exchange happens *while Scarf has his vote on PPF*.

I find Scarf's reasoning here rather tight in hindsight and I don't see why Scarf actively undermines MMR's claim while at the same time not reaching for credit by voting for him, if Scarf is MMR's scumbuddy.

PEdit: I've not read the above post but it's probably good

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That is a good point

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

P-edit, klick says I was not that impressed with magician Ans maybe feel a bit pocketed. But that also could be we are just obv town?

Which makes ppfs push on us weirder, If the scum teams are one one left: elim FB, push to elim enchant, surely that's a win? Unless they have no kills..unless it's four - two. Unless, unless...
This drives me mad

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

From ppfs perspective, that is..

[Past Present Future]

Why is it NAI for fire?

Have you read any of his games?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'd definitely really appreciate Nancy actually weighing in with her thoughts on the stuff we've been talking about, particularly:

- CSF not being Solar
- T-Bone not being Solar
- Magician not being Solar

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Like it would be extremely helpful if Nancy could be crystal clear about her opinions on all three of those takes and the reasoning we've been discussing for them.

[Past Present Future]

VC 2.0.3
Mastina (4) Unwnd, Furtiveglance, firebringer, Yume [E-4]

past Present Future (3) Toogeloo, Enchant, Scarfmanship

MMR (2) Radical Rat, T-bone
Scarfmanship (2) Past Present Future, Mastina

furtiveglance (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,


Not Voting (3) Ydrasse, MMR, Mathblade,

Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

mastina wagon was a distraction and I find it unlikely for it to be all town

???

We already know that three flipped scum were on it, so yeah very possibly but then I was wrong about Ydrasse, so don’t know. I guess the million dollar question is if MMR really did miss her claim but it’s also possible it doesn’t matter.

[Past Present Future]

Daily reminder that PPF's spam posting on the topic of me is a diversion from the fact that they have NO reads and will NOT make reads because that would give town information about who their partners are.

Also PPF is town, source: Dude trust me, just let me use my solar rolecop ability real quick tonight and then make up some fakeclaim tomorrow.

I was rr reading scarf's iso to see if the slot did have any associaives ( last night I was saying to klick that I town read all three slots, which is actually quite unusual, but also that none of them did anything massively out of a good scum range, but I didn't scum read barely any posts - early scarf seemed scumny but really towned it up re the Mmr/PPF thing) and found this. This has kind of been my problem with the Ppf slot all along: I don't know where they stand.

They've been vaguely softing a scum read in us for like....three phases now, without any follow through? They don't engage with players like drapion about it, it's just kind of....there (I feel it's because they know that I'm scum reading them)

Klick has been saying that they can't see the scum motivation for a lot of their posting, but I struggle to see how their posting moves the game forward.

It's also a Poe thing: it's probably not scarf, if it's t bone or cafe they are playing really, really well, enchant has done some town indicative things....

(Also, scarfs pressure on MMR just means they are not aligned. The claim didn't need a bus in the way that scarf did.)

B.

I really expected Prof to flip scum and when he didn’t, I’m trying to figure out whom I’m wrong on and yes, I definitely trust T-Bone’s and CSF’s posting over yours. After yesterday, I don’t see why that comes as some huge surprise to you?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'd definitely really appreciate Nancy actually weighing in with her thoughts on the stuff we've been talking about, particularly:

- CSF not being Solar
- T-Bone not being Solar
- Magician not being Solar

Like it would be extremely helpful if Nancy could be crystal clear about her opinions on all three of those takes and the reasoning we've been discussing for them.

To be clear, the evidence for all of these was presented on Page 388.

What I'd really like to see is Nancy reading the arguments for CSF, T-Bone, and Magician not being Solar scum, all located on Page 388, and say whether she agrees or not that those arguments are worth removing those three players from contention as Solar scum.

[Firebringer]

It's scummy to not engage with that 1v1, and this particular scumminess is more likely to come from Lunar, because if MMr is Lunar & PPF is town, why wouldn't Solar egg on this 1v1

how is it scummy
i think i heard this several times and still don't understand it.
me apparently ignoring claims i didn't believe was scummy. Yet i hammered MMR thinking he was town and u don't call that scummy?

U go with me saying the claims were a distraction, which tbh i still think in hindsight even tho i was wrong it was a big distraction.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

And that's regardless of Nancy's opinions on the slots generally or from other interactions. I specifically really want to see Nancy give her analysis of the arguments on Page 388 about CSF/T-Bone/Magician. Not general reads, specifically the stuff talked about on Page 388.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Oh hi while you're here Firebringer. I'm also definitely curious about whether you think the Page 388 stuff is legit or not.

[Past Present Future]

It would be extremely helpful to me if you’d link 388 rather than just reference the number. I’m also frustrated with you because I strongly believe Fire can’t be lunar and you pretty much just dismissed that. So if you’re go to ignore what I consider to be an extremely valid take, then I don’t understand why you even care what my opinion is.

[Firebringer]

"here is a page number tell me if its legit"
Me: "what?"

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why is it NAI for fire?

Have you read any of his games?

Yeah I've played with him too. Is he actually someone who ignores a mechanical 1v1 in favor of a pet scumread?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 2.0.3
Mastina (4) Unwnd, Furtiveglance, firebringer, Yume [E-4]

past Present Future (3) Toogeloo, Enchant, Scarfmanship

MMR (2) Radical Rat, T-bone
Scarfmanship (2) Past Present Future, Mastina

furtiveglance (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,


Not Voting (3) Ydrasse, MMR, Mathblade,

Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

mastina wagon was a distraction and I find it unlikely for it to be all town

???

We already know that three flipped scum were on it, so yeah very possibly but then I was wrong about Ydrasse, so don’t know. I guess the million dollar question is if MMR really did miss her claim but it’s also possible it doesn’t matter.

The Day 2 wagon in the VC I quoted in this post. Not the one from day 1

unwnd and furtive both flipped town. I personally know Yume is town. Only Fire is left on that wagon

[Past Present Future]

"here is a page number tell me if its legit"
Me: "what?"

???

Of course it’s legit but a link makes it alot easier to look up.

[Firebringer]

it wasn't a mechanical 1v1 in my eyes. I think i made that pretty fucking clear.

[Firebringer]

"here is a page number tell me if its legit"
Me: "what?"

???

Of course it’s legit but a link makes it alot easier to look up.

I don't know what dingle is trying to point to.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's scummy to not engage with that 1v1, and this particular scumminess is more likely to come from Lunar, because if MMr is Lunar & PPF is town, why wouldn't Solar egg on this 1v1

how is it scummy
i think i heard this several times and still don't understand it.
me apparently ignoring claims i didn't believe was scummy. Yet i hammered MMR thinking he was town and u don't call that scummy?

U go with me saying the claims were a distraction, which tbh i still think in hindsight even tho i was wrong it was a big distraction.

They weren't just claims, MMR claimed a guilty result on PPF. I don't believe you just ignore that to pursue a scumread of yours. If you thought the claims were fake, then you should've said that! But your ISO doesn't support that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

DDS is trying to point to page 338