Gnosia Game over!

FakeGod · Post Post #2025 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:39 pm

Alright, our cop died somehow so I think this is outside of what's supposed to happen.

Roden, can you give us some options in case of cop death?

Roden · Post Post #2026 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:42 pm

In post 2011, Gimli wrote:
In post 2000, Roden wrote:I'm not sure what's going on with Drapion slot vs Math right now or why they think each other is lying. But from what I understand, the way Drapion described his ability is that Block Argument forces the target to vote for the person they indicated sus towards. Jada indicated sus towards Drapion, but self-voted instead (which might indicate a non-vote, per the game rules that would turn into a self-vote).

Gimli can you explain your character ability for us?
okay...
I inherit the ability of the first dead player.

In post 2014, Gimli wrote:I wasn't told what I got from Jessica. so.

The previous player in your slot claimed Jessica's ability and used it yesterday. So either this is a mod error, or one of you or Drapion lied.

Freedom · Post Post #2027 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:43 pm

I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Roden · Post Post #2028 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:48 pm

In post 2010, MathBlade wrote:Yeah I don’t exactly believe that either. But whatever I guess I am not confirmed not bug if you do believe it.

I did all I could if you want to elim me over Drapion / G who “didn’t do anything” despite posting the Block Argument and despite them doing something in thread.

Drapion/Gimili and LLD just feel the most sus to me from having played this type of game the longest time.

What about their play has been sus?

Roden · Post Post #2029 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:56 pm

In post 2025, FakeGod wrote:Alright, our cop died somehow so I think this is outside of what's supposed to happen.

Roden, can you give us some options in case of cop death?

We're in a tough spot because Bug needs to die like today, but we have no way to confirm it now. Character and skill mass claim should probably happen today to avoid end game shenanigans since we technically can end up in ELO tomorrow and just not know it.

In post 2027, Freedom wrote:I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.

What do you mean? What doesn't make sense?

Freedom · Post Post #2030 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:11 pm

In post 2029, Roden wrote:
In post 2027, Freedom wrote:I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.
What do you mean? What doesn't make sense?

I feel like Drapion was telling the truth about knowing Jessica's ability as it would be hyper weird for him to not know what his inherited ability did.

Roden · Post Post #2031 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:46 pm

In post 2030, Freedom wrote:
In post 2029, Roden wrote:
In post 2027, Freedom wrote:I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.
What do you mean? What doesn't make sense?
I feel like Drapion was telling the truth about knowing Jessica's ability as it would be hyper weird for him to not know what his inherited ability did.

Why can't Drapion just...lie? He can know what his ability actually does, but lie to us and give us a fake description.

Roden · Post Post #2032 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:50 pm

In post 1883, Enchant wrote:Decided to do something.

Name. Role/Alignment. Flavor Name. Special.

1. Herta. Coroner. Unknown. Unknown.

2. ProfessorDrapion. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
3. Roden. Unknown. Unknown. "Let's Collaborate", creates hood.

4. Jessica Rabbit. Gnosia. "Block Argument", Vote Redirection.

5. Esooa. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
6. Mathblade. Unknown. Gina. If someone susses them, learns special ability of said player.
7. Ranger. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
8. Freedom. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
9. FakeGod. Unknown. Unknown. "What is your Role?".
10. Jada. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
11. Enchant. Town. Kukrushka. "Regret"
12. beeboy. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
13. Lady Lambdadelta. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

14. Not Known 15. Engineer. Unknown. "State you are Human".

15. narrow parking. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

I remember someone claimed ability which recharges other abilities but i don't really have time. If you claimed something which i forgot please state.
We need to think which ability we want to recharge. MathBlade and FakeGod both can be useful.

Let's go down this list please.

Ranger · Post Post #2033 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:30 pm

In post 1997, Herta wrote:Jada was human

This changes things.

While we

may

have a dead traitor (not guaranteed), we're confirmed to have 2 gnosia alive.

In post 2029, Roden wrote:Bug needs to die like today

Actually, with two Gnosia still alive, I'd prefer to hunt the Gnosia.

We can afford to not hit the bug today.

We can't afford to keep letting two Gnosia live.

I'd suggest an elimination in {narrow parking, beeboy} (maybe Freedom) as that group likely contains a Gnosia. I want two dead Gnosia before bug-hunting because the Gnosia can give us an extra elimination if they hit the bug (if they didn't already).

Freedom · Post Post #2034 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:16 pm

In post 2032, Roden wrote:
In post 1883, Enchant wrote:Decided to do something.

Name. Role/Alignment. Flavor Name. Special.

1. Herta. Coroner. Unknown. Unknown.

2. ProfessorDrapion. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
3. Roden. Unknown. Unknown. "Let's Collaborate", creates hood.

4. Jessica Rabbit. Gnosia. "Block Argument", Vote Redirection.

5. Esooa. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
6. Mathblade. Unknown. Gina. If someone susses them, learns special ability of said player.
7. Ranger. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
8. Freedom. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
9. FakeGod. Unknown. Unknown. "What is your Role?".
10. Jada. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
11. Enchant. Town. Kukrushka. "Regret"
12. beeboy. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
13. Lady Lambdadelta. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

14. Not Known 15. Engineer. Unknown. "State you are Human".

15. narrow parking. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

I remember someone claimed ability which recharges other abilities but i don't really have time. If you claimed something which i forgot please state.
We need to think which ability we want to recharge. MathBlade and FakeGod both can be useful.
Let's go down this list please.

I didn't see the list before but I would like to add that I'm Sha-Ming and my ability is Grovel.

Freedom · Post Post #2035 (ISO) » Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:16 pm

In post 2031, Roden wrote:
In post 2030, Freedom wrote:
In post 2029, Roden wrote:
In post 2027, Freedom wrote:I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.
What do you mean? What doesn't make sense?
I feel like Drapion was telling the truth about knowing Jessica's ability as it would be hyper weird for him to not know what his inherited ability did.
Why can't Drapion just...lie? He can know what his ability actually does, but lie to us and give us a fake description.

Actually, this could be possible.

Gimli · Post Post #2036 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:56 am

so I inherited that block argument ability and then I used it on jada to make them vote for shiki

Gimli · Post Post #2037 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:56 am

by 'I' I mean my slot

Ranger · Post Post #2038 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:03 am

In post 2033, Ranger wrote:Actually, with two Gnosia still alive, I'd prefer to hunt the Gnosia.

The reason for this: One Gnosia alive can't kill Enchant without forfeiting a kill.

Two Gnosia alive

can

. One makes the kill, and the other makes the next.

Enchant living is crucial to a town win, so we need Enchant to not be killed, or to cost the Gnosia their next kill.

Furthermore, two Gnosia can communicate and coordinate at night, allowing them to have two voices to optimize their kill rather than one, and potentially, help plan dayplay.

Taking a second Gnosia out here is vital. I believe {narrow parking, beeboy} have the highest chance to contain Gnosia specifically.

Roden · Post Post #2039 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:04 am

In post 1960, MariaR wrote:
Night 2 Freeze VoteJada (12): Herta, ProfessorDrapion, Esooa, Mathblade, Ranger, Freedom, FakeGod, Enchant, beeboy, Lady Lambdadelta, Not Known 15, narrow parking,
Roden (1): Roden
Lady Lambdadelta (1): Jada

Not voting (0):

Jada has been frozen!

Finding replacement for Roden.

Huh, ok, it adds up then if the VC was the error. The ability seems real now.

Roden · Post Post #2040 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:06 am

In post 2038, Ranger wrote:
In post 2033, Ranger wrote:Actually, with two Gnosia still alive, I'd prefer to hunt the Gnosia.
The reason for this: One Gnosia alive can't kill Enchant without forfeiting a kill.

Two Gnosia alive
can
. One makes the kill, and the other makes the next.

Enchant living is crucial to a town win, so we need Enchant to not be killed, or to cost the Gnosia their next kill.

Furthermore, two Gnosia can communicate and coordinate at night, allowing them to have two voices to optimize their kill rather than one, and potentially, help plan dayplay.

Taking a second Gnosia out here is vital. I believe {narrow parking, beeboy} have the highest chance to contain Gnosia specifically.

This makes sense actually.

Enchant · Post Post #2041 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:48 am

Imo my theories.

1. Jada was GA. Gnosia have some way to learn identity of dead players instantly or was sure enough about it to attack NK15 instantly. Most likely from specials.
2. GA decided to gambit. Rookie mistake. But why Gnosia attack then? Did they knew about gambit?
3. Gnosia have way to prevent protections. Why they didn't use it... First night?
4. Gnosia roleblocked GA. Most unbelievable: not only they need to know who GA, they need to have roleblock ability.

So... You know. Time to hardclaim your specials.

You know my is Regret.

I want everyone else to claim or Confirm their special abilities. It's necessary to learn who could prevent NK15 protect.

If you are not agree you free to object me, but you need hell reason.

Ranger · Post Post #2042 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:08 am

In post 2041, Enchant wrote:If you are not agree you free to object me, but you need hell reason.

My disagreement:

In post 1981, Ranger wrote:
In post 1963, Enchant wrote:what
Since only the GA would know why this happened, it would be best to avoid discussion about why it happened. Avoid giving commentary on it. Otherwise, you narrow down for the Gnosia who the GA would be.

However, separately, I support mass-character-ability-claim anyway. The reason why differs, the result's the same. As a reminder;

In post 1913, Ranger wrote:You missed my claim.

Setsu
-
Vote
. (Yes, really, my character ability is legit called Vote.)

In post 1914, Ranger wrote:Vote = gave us the normal day phase yesterday (D1).

I've claimed already.

Ranger · Post Post #2043 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:11 am

(To give an idea, Enchant, there's at least two theories I came up with not on your list. Discussing them is explicitly antitown.)

Enchant · Post Post #2044 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:13 am

Understood. I bringed most common ones though.

If you say so.

FakeGod · Post Post #2045 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:58 am

FakeGod · Post Post #2046 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:05 am

I agree with the character ability mass claim, but I would like it to be directed by Roden, my trusted advisor.

MathBlade · Post Post #2047 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:27 am

In post 2028, Roden wrote:
In post 2010, MathBlade wrote:Yeah I don’t exactly believe that either. But whatever I guess I am not confirmed not bug if you do believe it.

I did all I could if you want to elim me over Drapion / G who “didn’t do anything” despite posting the Block Argument and despite them doing something in thread.

Drapion/Gimili and LLD just feel the most sus to me from having played this type of game the longest time.
What about their play has been sus?

Mainly their play on replace in.

LLD immediately coming after me when Jessica came after me hard is imho pretty sus unless you think I just command my team to bus me hard and make a plan that would put me as scum? So like ???

LLD has also been sussing me and I haven’t been told my ability refreshed. I don’t think she genuinely scumreads me I just don’t get that vibe. So either A) big reaction test and she’s town or B) scum have really wanted me dead.

MathBlade · Post Post #2048 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:28 am

In post 2031, Roden wrote:
In post 2030, Freedom wrote:
In post 2029, Roden wrote:
In post 2027, Freedom wrote:I trust Drapion as it doesn't make sense otherwise.
What do you mean? What doesn't make sense?
I feel like Drapion was telling the truth about knowing Jessica's ability as it would be hyper weird for him to not know what his inherited ability did.
Why can't Drapion just...lie? He can know what his ability actually does, but lie to us and give us a fake description.

I think he just didn’t ISO his replacement and didn’t know what to claim.

MathBlade · Post Post #2049 (ISO) » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:29 am

In post 2033, Ranger wrote:
In post 1997, Herta wrote:Jada was human
This changes things.

While we
may
have a dead traitor (not guaranteed), we're confirmed to have 2 gnosia alive.

In post 2029, Roden wrote:Bug needs to die like today
Actually, with two Gnosia still alive, I'd prefer to hunt the Gnosia.

We can afford to not hit the bug today.

We can't afford to keep letting two Gnosia live.

I'd suggest an elimination in {narrow parking, beeboy} (maybe Freedom) as that group likely contains a Gnosia. I want two dead Gnosia before bug-hunting because the Gnosia can give us an extra elimination if they hit the bug (if they didn't already).

I am fine with that PoE but add Drapion and LLD