Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[Tabibitos]

see thats the problem i have tabibitos now. they never finished their strategy and never suggested anything

You guys didn't even discuss what I posted on reads just now.

It's fine but like, do you want me to keep posting so much even if no one cares? C'mon Grandpa, if no one cares I'm just gonna shut up. Let's do what you guys already want to do, I'm tired and don't want to try convincing everyone on something new again.

- Aether

i care -- im listening, i told u i disagreed with ur read on elements because it felt hypocritical but agree on vander

Ok then, if I had to "suggest a new plan" I would say Nurse claims, 6 players protect the claimed Nurse and guarantee it doesn't die, we pick someone kinda sus outside of the elimination of today by healing votes and that player outside of the group protecting the Nurse targets someone inside the group. The Nurse targes the remaining suspect.

That way it's unlikely for the Nurse to die, if the suspect is a killing power he may confirm himself with double nightkills, and Nurse may or not confirm whether the JK is dead or outside the block if it does kill the suspect they are targeting.

I believe that gives us info on roles, gives a chance for us to confirm one extra player at night and also don't need to go the no elimination route.

There. Now although I can answer questions I'm not gonna try to strongarm people into accepting this plan, that you can do if you want to.

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

Of course the suspect outside the group can't pick Nurse as his target.

Seeing as you guys suspect him, I believe Enchants, that wants to go rogue with night actions anyway, may be a good idea for a person outside of the group.

We optimally want someone that has chances of being town but a bit scummy at the same time. Not someone too scummy like Vanders/Freedom or too towny.

[Tabibitos]

so my plan would be:

A) Nurse claims
B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)
C) Enchant targets someone other than Nurse, Nurse targets Enchant
B) We eliminate either Freedom or Vanders today

That's it I guess?

- Aether

[Gimli]

no, we do what elements and grandpa suggested

[Tabibitos]

no, we do what elements and grandpa suggested

Well Grandpa now you can't say I didn't try

let's do as you Elems said

[GrandpaMo]

B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)

why enchant?

[GrandpaMo]

no, we do what elements and grandpa suggested

Well Grandpa now you can't say I didn't try

let's do as you Elems said

yea but the problem is -- its too late, if u think elements is scum then scumelements took over the game because u were able to come early in the game and convince us back there. does that make sense? i completely understand but to scum, its an easy opportunity to shut u up and basically and not listen to you, and to town, same thing to most people

[GrandpaMo]

and give me a sec, i have an interview, i will talk to u more

[Gimli]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

[Tabibitos]

B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)

why enchant?

Not too towny not too scummy

If it's someone that has lower chances of being town, like say Vanders or Freedom as our reads say at the moment, they'll just say "oh yeah I protected x person so that's why nothing happened".

If we pick let's say, you which I believe is town, even if you do confirm yourself by suicide as weak doctor, or killing someone as Quack or CPR, it's not a big advantage because we were already town reading you.

If we pick someone like Enchant that is kinda in the middle, between being town read by some and scum by others, if he was able to suicide himself or kill someone, it would confirm him. He would also likely not agree to target the Nurse so it's easier to just have him try to kill someone.

That's why I guess?

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

Do you realize "Elem's plan" is basically my plan without outing the Nurse and the second group also protecting a town read?

I just wanted to say that. Now bye.

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

no, we do what elements and grandpa suggested

Well Grandpa now you can't say I didn't try

let's do as you Elems said

yea but the problem is -- its too late, if u think elements is scum then scumelements took over the game because u were able to come early in the game and convince us back there. does that make sense? i completely understand but to scum, its an easy opportunity to shut u up and basically and not listen to you, and to town, same thing to most people

Yeah it makes sense and is what I told you back there? No offense Grandpa but I don't understand your point.

I realized all this before you explained to me and that's why I didn't talk about a "new plan" or insist on Elems. If you guys already reached a conclusion about both of those things that's fine by me, I'm fine with ending the day and also compromissing on Freedom if I need to.

- Aether

[Gimli]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

Do you realize "Elem's plan" is basically my plan without outing the Nurse and the second group also protecting a town read?

I just wanted to say that. Now bye.

- Aether

bye

[Enchant]

k and who i shall target

[Elements]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

Do you realize "Elem's plan" is basically my plan without outing the Nurse and the second group also protecting a town read?

I just wanted to say that. Now bye.

- Aether

Yes, it's exactly that

[Elements]

so my plan would be:

A) Nurse claims
B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)
C) Enchant targets someone other than Nurse, Nurse targets Enchant
B) We eliminate either Freedom or Vanders today
- Aether

Nurse can die if enchant and Nurse are JK and either weak or doctor
Just putting that there because I'm enjoying the mech talk of this game. I like the plan but the Nurse isn't going to claim today.

[Elements]

ALSO HERE ARE THE GROUP ASSIGNMENTS

if FREEDOM flips

SCUM

FOLLOW THIS

group a - scoloisis, elements, grandpa, galron
group b - gimli, vander, tabibitos, enchant

group a target vander
group b target galron

if FREEDOM flips

TOWN

FOLLOW THIS

group a - scoloisis, elements, galron, gimli
group b - vander, enchant, tabibitos, grandpa

group a targets grandpa
group b targets elements

I second this

[Tabibitos]

so my plan would be:

A) Nurse claims
B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)
C) Enchant targets someone other than Nurse, Nurse targets Enchant
B) We eliminate either Freedom or Vanders today
- Aether

Nurse can die if enchant and Nurse are JK and either weak or doctor

I probably should have said "guarantees she won't die without we gaining important info". For her to die without being a weak doctor/Enchant being a JK we need both CPR + Quack + Naive inside that group, so we would already narrow down where the vigs are for the next day, which could come handy.

If Enchant is the JK or Nurse dies as weak doctor...well, that would also be important information to get.

For Nurse to die here basically we need to risk scum missing their night kill targeting her, and we would know Enchant is either confirmed scum or the JK and we could test that out to have him confirmed either way later.

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

Ah, there's also the possibility of both vigs on the group as a result of Nurse dying yeah, so Nurse dying then would be because of the following possibilities:

- Nurse was weak doctor and Enchant is scum
- Enchant is a JK and blocked one of the doctors in a [CPR, Quack, Naive, Any doc, Any doc] scenario

I'm not sure I'm missing something and that's wrong but I think it would be useful even if unluckily it resulted in an accident, we could narrow down who protects and who are likely vigs a lot. We would basically be able to coordinate protects/kills then.

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

k and who i shall target

If we did my "new plan", I think a pool of who you can target is more efficient than locking your target. Otherwise it's easier for mafia to impede you confirming yourself if you're a vig.

[Tabibitos]

like, at least 3 or 4 names of people you can target I think. I would volunteer myself to make it easier.

I'm fine with doing what everyone else wants though.

- Aether

[Enchant]

k and who i shall target

If we did my "new plan", I think a pool of who you can target is more efficient than locking your target. Otherwise it's easier for mafia to impede you confirming yourself if you're a vig.

But if i am weak i die for nothing

[Tabibitos]

Ah, there's also the possibility of both vigs on the group as a result of Nurse dying yeah, so Nurse dying then would be because of the following possibilities:

- Nurse was weak doctor and Enchant is scum
- Enchant is a JK and blocked one of the doctors in a [CPR, Quack, Naive, Any doc, Any doc] scenario

I'm not sure I'm missing something and that's wrong but I think it would be useful even if unluckily it resulted in an accident, we could narrow down who protects and who are likely vigs a lot. We would basically be able to coordinate protects/kills then.

- Aether

Ah, a third scenario is [CPR, Quack, Naive, Any doc, Any doc] *and* mafia targets the Nurse, but like, they would be risking missing their nightkill this way. It's a more high risk high reward plan than my old one I suppose, but I feel we just don't get enough reward from my old plan the way we're doing it right now.

Either way, /shrug.

- Aether

[Tabibitos]

k and who i shall target

If we did my "new plan", I think a pool of who you can target is more efficient than locking your target. Otherwise it's easier for mafia to impede you confirming yourself if you're a vig.

But if i am weak i die for nothing

Oh...now that's true. Hadn't thought about that.

Hmm...I guess we either select two people for you or simply lock you on someone after all huh?

[Enchant]

Let's go with Two people.