Community Redux | Postgame

[Frogsterking]

Dease is scum

[furtiveglance]

Dease is scum

*midwestern accent* Well how do ya figure is all?

[Titus]

MariaR's role implies the government player could reply. What did they say? Why is that not included in your case?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r we all just waiting to see if Furtive's gladiate is legit lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@RH give us a VC or a sign or something bruh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tweetie is hiding in her batcave hoping I will not notice there's a post limit and run out of posts before she comes back in here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Little does she know I am wise to her devious schemes and I will STOP POSTING when I reach 50

[RH]

Day 3 Count I

Meuh (1) - furtiveglance

Not Voting

- PookyTheMagicalBear, DeasVail, Titus, PenguinPower, Frogsterking, Meuh, ActionDan, Morning Tweet, Enchant

Notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.
  
• With 10 remaining, it takes 6 to form a majority.
  
• Due to furtive's activation of his ability in 779, all votes before that have been cleared while all votes on anybody outside of Meuh and furtive will be considered invalid from now onwards.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-01-14 11:25:30).

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: furtiveglance

i dont even think he's mafia tbh I just hate gladiators

[Morning Tweet]

I thought furtive might be scum up until he did that. But I guess that also solves hijm

I don't particularly think Meuh is scum, maybe third party sure.

Bummer I'd sooner shoot Pooky, or Deas, or Enchant, or Pooky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i see how it is

[Morning Tweet]

Titus' claim seems like town, I've been ignoring Penguin all game, and there's something about ActionDan that I liked

pedit: WHyt u visit me pookster

[Morning Tweet]

Well not really ignoring Penguin just more so not making an attempt to reaD

Pooooooky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what type of question is that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who would i visit other than you

[Morning Tweet]

ActionDan mentioned VCA is important to his overall reads, can you break down what that is you've been looking at AD?

The only VCA that matters in this game is between pages 10 and 11. I think it's a pretty good argument for DV not scum. He abandons 2 vote wagon on me to vote Andres up to 3. This is when at the time I was only bell voter.

That's the extent I've used VCA this game, though reading those pages reminds me that furtive and pp's responses to my questions were rather poor

This is a strong point. Great place to look at too

Spoiler:

Hi!

Currently working from home and will have a bit more time tonight. As a preview my townreads are close to Deas's post 144 (and you can add DeasV to them) with the caveat of Frogster/MT being lower, and Herta being in a category whose elim I would not cry over.

My preferred elimination today is bell by a longshot. And if not Furtive.

VOTE: Bell

Bad posts, Bad votes, and what essentially appears to be flailing / buying time with a PR claim with deniability. I do not understand why anyone is considering anything but this (Much less Meuh for example).

@ActionDan, could you elaborate on what you mean by deniability

155 and 156 is sufficient to claim plausible deniability that you outright claimed being a power role. That is my meaning. I interpret 239 to be more of the same. As I'm sure you're well aware, people have a natural inclination to ease up pressure after their target claims a PR because they hope it might be useful in the night or at least can pin down one's actions in utilizing it to aid in scumhunting the person with the PR. This happened with 4 votes on you so this was an attempt (successfully so) to disassemble the budding wagon. The consequence of which enabled you to avoid posting / scumhunting in thread until just now where you've shown up with a renewed vote on you. Likewise, I'm not impressed regarding the justification of the vote and current read on Flavia. In a low volume content game its a blessing they are such an easy townread. They have a join date of 11/1/2022 and clearly act like it. They are trying to interpret exact flavor/verbiage literally and have repeated it in multiple posts (see 57 , 59). Insistence they are scummy is willful ignorance of what is plain as day.

Furtive's scumread is based on the vote in post 116, when belies a lack of self awareness since if anything in this thread could be interpreted as a traitor crumb its 37 , and 40. Disclaimer: I think traitor hunting is useless blather to be avoided but if someone is seriously on that boat then I'd expect some introspection; a lack of it makes me think the vote on DeasVail was made with malign intent.

@Furtive, I don't hate your vote on MT but don't find it in any way compelling. Non substantive posting is a dime a dozen in this thread, is there any other reason we should "not ignore" your vote, why do you think MT vote on KT was suspicious?

I want to add I'm somewhat sympathetic to votes on Andres but very much joined this game to play with him not elim him. It's a pity he's not here, I'd like to sample his posting like a fine wine.

VOTE: Andres

Sorry Dan.

I don’t particularly think that Bell is town because on one hand Bell’s play indicates apathy towards the game, but then the desire to kill Flavia seems almost incongruent with that? Perhaps the most likely explanation is that the expressed desire to kill Flavia is somewhat exaggerated in the way that town do that sort of thing, but I will await further clarification on Bell’s role later in the game.

I find ActionDan very towny on this page

I like Deas' read of Bell. But I don't think the andres vote is quite clearing. On second thought though, I forgot how apathetic D1 was, plus Frog had just made a megapost on Andres. It was like the only wagon. Bell's wagon ended up countering it ofc but I don't disagree that Deas' vote on Andres is good

And yeah the day pretty much ends after Bells wagon comes up

And while we're here,

Spoiler: Bell on Flavia (Pooky)

I need that explicitly confirmed or denied. That is why I mentioned those three people. They all hadn't posted.

Role was pretty vague, but yes, I do assume I am a Miller. Or it takes less people to elim me.

Huh? Is your role pm written in hieroglyphics?

Flavia, explain.

Frog feels okay. Meuh Feels okay.

VOTE: Flavia
Womp.

Okay one day left.

So, it's typical for me to hold my tongue when I'm a PR which is why I usually get called out and run up whole song and dance. I was doing that "not going to comment" thing two days ago and then my brain dropped off the face of the earth because I'm playing wrath of the righteous and I am hyperfocusing on that on vacation. Every choice, where will it take me ten years from now? *gray hair*

To be blunt too many people are no shows for me to be confident in anything. 10 page large theme is extremely unusual. Flavia's entrance bothered me because they refused to answer a straight question, my vote never moved because I didn't think moving it would *do* anything. But keeping it there didn't do anything either. There's not much point moving my vote now either because it's too late to do legwork with a one day dead line.
Is flavia being replaced? Because I would like to kill one Flavia please.

At this point, yes.

You don't see how Flavia not being able to answer a question that is a clear yes or no is scummy

I don't think their idiosyncrasies explain it well. I don't know Flavia, but I'm less willing to let it pass lately.
I also, don't think it fits or doesn't fit. I never asked Titus due to the whole holding tongue thing but I might as well ask if RH said whether there was a *single* player with a role that wasn't one or the other or multiple.

UNVOTE:

for now

I think though that why does Flavia post what she does if she’s lying? Usually fake claims tend not to be made unprompted like that. Why does Flavia claim anything? It sounds to me that she gets read as delegate or something to invests? Is that right @Flavia?

The thing is last game Frogs got a similar thing in his role pm like Titus is here and I think it had to refer to furtive who had claimed miller in that. And I trust Titus, so if it weren’t for that, I might agree with you. But this response doesn’t sound wooden and I’m was suss on Kitty slot, so not sure If I trust AD’s vote on you or not.

~N

They didn't claim anything until titus pushed them. If anything they were claiming flavor. Their miller claim was/is decidedly different than how Furtive approached it.

I think this looks vaguely good for Pooky's slot although I'm not strong on that. Bell devotes an overwhelming majority of his game-relevant posts to suspect Flavia. I think it more likely that Bell would target someone he knew wasn't scum (esp cause andrees, a maingroup scum was also under heat). But it's wine

I kinda lost track of who scum's supposed to be, crossed everyone off. I think there's more plausibility for Deas to be a traitor than a groupscum (he wouldn't know Bell's alignment so that read could be genuine. Still bussed andrees though).

I don't know how to read Penguin really. I wouldn't be surprised if Penguin is the government agent. Or anything else IG

this is how I feel, roughly, town to scum":





Frog





ActionDan
furtive


Meuh





Pooky(flavia)
Titus



PenguinPower, DeasVail





Enchant(roden)

[Morning Tweet]

what type of question is that

who would i visit other than you

I can't really fight that kind of logic

I thought you were supposed to be a miller

im basically conftown cuz im a loud visitor

No. The role doesn't say I'll come as mafia to investigators. It say...well, that people don't like me and believe I'm mafia...well, Delegate. That's all. So, I've assumed most probably I'm miller. Or a small possibility it means I can be hammered with less votes.

Idk exactly how to describe why I like 49, it just feels right. May be one of those cases when someone makes a post that's NAI but I just find it funny/enjoyable so I TR them for it. If so I don't mind because either way a smile was brought to my face, heehee :]

They are funny but I think totally NAI. Was funny and relaxed last game...and was third party. But the penguin gifs were sort of cute.

Yeah, checked. 100% Miller.

Im confused why did Flavia say this

[Morning Tweet]

okay cool

I will now go into the reasons why I think Meuh is government.

I am the other Operator (technically it's possible that there's more but I very much doubt that is the case) and so I feel I have some insight into what a reaction to Maria's claim would be from someone who knew about the existence of operators.
Not only that, but the government would have even more knowledge that Maria's claim was made up because of what Maria said about 3p in 505.

See, when Maria claimed, I was preeeetty sure that they were a scum operator making stuff up, but there was an outside chance that the other operator was somebody else and this was Maria just making something else up.

BUT the government role knows about the operator thing, and they would have known if there was also some lost mason thing that they could listen in on. So, because there is no lost mason thing and what Maria was posting sounded very similar to the operator role, the government player would have 99% known that this was Maria just making stuff up.

This is where Meuh comes in. 521 reads to me as Meuh knowing based on her role that Maria is scum, but the actual reasoning provided does not really stack up. It reads to me more as the government player knowing that Maria is scum, but not being able to be completely honest about the reasons why.

If anyone is interested in any other operator details I'm happy to divulge, but Maria had reason to believe that I might be the other operator (I semi- revealed myself in my night 1 radio message) and the claim was probably to try and claim masons with me on the off-chance I was another traitor, OR banking on me potentially being an unclaimed member of the hotel.

Meuh has also weirdly not expressed suspicion of me despite me being mostly a non-presence.

But yeah, I think it makes more sense to eliminate Meuh than furtive here.

Other.. huh what now I didn't even see trhis

YOU'RE the counterpart to MariaR's role? Ohhhh shit I didn't even read it right

Another day has passed and with it, increases Town's streak of ousting the Delegation.
MariaR, the radio operator for the Delegation, departs to the wilderness.

MariaR,

Operator

, has been ousted to the wilderness.

Spoiler: Operator

Nobody ever listened to your radio network.
Hoping for a place where you would be heard, you joined a delegation of militants.
With your flair, you try to ensure that your delegation is above and beyond, leaving all at your feet.

Salutations, you are a

Operator

!

Role Abilities:

• Conclave
  : You share a conclave with … located here.
  
• Secret
  :
  [REDACTED]
  
  
• Execution
  : Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may kill a player.
  
• Radio
  : Each Night, you may use your radio to anonymously send a message of your choice (specified when you submit this action). The targets, who will always be any other Operators and the Government operative, can reply in the next Night.

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one
  Delegation
  member remains and all other players are deceased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment or by posting in the

Delegation

conclave.

I kind of assumed that the other groupscum was an operator, I didn't really read what it did very closely. I see now.

If I visit them at night we become masons but the 3p can kill us.

My role has slight implications that my role and the mafia factional kill are the only kills so I'm not tempted to believe this.

I'm not sure this reads as Meuh "knowing" Maria is scum based off of her role claim. I'm skeptical of that, it reads to me more like some technicality in how maybe the CPR Doctor was worded which implied the nonexistence of other killing abilities. But I can follow your reasoning

Maria's play definitely feels like she was trying to claim masons with a traitor operative, now that you give that context.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Im confused why did Flavia say this

maybe flavia was drunk

[ActionDan]

My own libations are making head hurts.

Gladiate being real makes me sad. I'll try not to write off my vote here will reread.

Pooky are you recanting Flavia's Miller claim or no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im a miller loud visitor

[DeasVail]

MariaR's role implies the government player could reply. What did they say? Why is that not included in your case?

They didn’t say anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gladiates are mad boring can people vote alrdy

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: meuh[/VOTE: