Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Past Present Future]

I apologize for my outburst. I understand that people need to look at every player who’s left but it’s just really pisses me off that lying scum’s bs botched fake claim continues to be brought up when I strongly suspect that not everyone pushing it is town here.

If anyone has actual issues with my play, I’ll be more than happy to respond to and allay any concerns about me being scum here. I’m not.

And I really do suspect Dangle because Prof who got MMR role voted for them and they’re the ones who keep pushing MMR lies as valid and I just really want to scream.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

If we die tonight, phase switches to dusk which is what scum needs to mislim the rest of the town and win this.

Why's that?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Okay question for everyone but PPF.

Did MMR have a real result? Gut reaction yes or no?

Bumping this onto current page

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

And why no kills on dusk unless lunars have delayed kills like CSF proposed?

And my point is obviously that Prof would have been voting us if MMR claim wasn’t complete bs, so why are they voting you?

[Past Present Future]

If we die tonight, phase switches to dusk which is what scum needs to mislim the rest of the town and win this.

Why's that?

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Prof apparently knows that Lunar must have factional kills, yet so far we haven’t seen any except during the noon phase, so that has to mean that Lunar has delayed kills.

If they do not, then how does what Prof said make an iota of sense otherwise?

[Past Present Future]

I'm not going to engage further with you on this topic; instead, I'm going to promote other responses to this question:

Okay question for everyone but PPF.

Did MMR have a real result? Gut reaction yes or no?

Okay question for everyone but PPF.

Did MMR have a real result? Gut reaction yes or no?

Bumping this onto current page

Please keep spamming this when I just thoroughly anihilated it into the stratosphere.

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

And why no kills on dusk unless lunars have delayed kills like CSF proposed?

And my point is obviously that Prof would have been voting us if MMR claim wasn’t complete bs, so why are they voting you?

If we die tonight, phase switches to dusk which is what scum needs to mislim the rest of the town and win this.

Why's that?

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Prof apparently knows that Lunar must have factional kills, yet so far we haven’t seen any except during the noon phase, so that has to mean that Lunar has delayed kills.

If they do not, then how does what Prof said make an iota of sense otherwise?

@Dangle

I can spam too especially when it clearly looks like your avoiding my questions.

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Again, Prof apparently knew his role was useless because Lunar had a factional kill, which proves MMR lied about their claim, which for some strange reason Dangle is suspiciously ignoring.

And if Lunar has a factional kill, that can only mean that they only show up during the noon phase, so that likely explains why only kills ar noon.

Someone please weigh in on this because I really think I’m on to something here. And I think Dangle just fucked up by quoting that post and is now trying to deflect with the claim that post from Prof just nuked into the stratosphere. lol

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Bella wanted to refresh her own grasp of the MMR claim situation, so we took some time to look again properly at it.

VOTE: Past Present Future

We both feel rather confident upon discussing it together that

what MMR had was a 'vanilla' result on PPF from their passive ability

, which would mean that

PPF is lying about their role

.

Case for this coming up. I'd appreciate some eyes on this.

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

And why no kills on dusk unless lunars have delayed kills like CSF proposed?

And my point is obviously that Prof would have been voting us if MMR claim wasn’t complete bs, so why are they voting you?

If we die tonight, phase switches to dusk which is what scum needs to mislim the rest of the town and win this.

Why's that?

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Prof apparently knows that Lunar must have factional kills, yet so far we haven’t seen any except during the noon phase, so that has to mean that Lunar has delayed kills.

If they do not, then how does what Prof said make an iota of sense otherwise?

@Dangle

I can spam too especially when it clearly looks like your avoiding my questions.

*crickets*

[Past Present Future]

Bella wanted to refresh her own grasp of the MMR claim situation, so we took some time to look again properly at it.

VOTE: Past Present Future

We both feel rather confident upon discussing it together that

what MMR had was a 'vanilla' result on PPF from their passive ability

, which would mean that

PPF is lying about their role

.

Case for this coming up. I'd appreciate some eyes on this.

I’m okay with dying as long as you follow me.

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Again, Prof apparently knew his role was useless because Lunar had a factional kill, which proves MMR lied about their claim, which for some strange reason Dangle is suspiciously ignoring.

And if Lunar has a factional kill, that can only mean that they only show up during the noon phase, so that likely explains why only kills ar noon.

Someone please weigh in on this because I really think I’m on to something here. And I think Dangle just fucked up by quoting that post and is now trying to deflect with the claim that post from Prof just nuked into the stratosphere. lol

Extremely suspicious how Dangle just completely ignored this.

[Enchant]

Bella wanted to refresh her own grasp of the MMR claim situation, so we took some time to look again properly at it.

VOTE: Past Present Future

We both feel rather confident upon discussing it together that

what MMR had was a 'vanilla' result on PPF from their passive ability

, which would mean that

PPF is lying about their role

.

Case for this coming up. I'd appreciate some eyes on this.

But "They saw PPF as Beloved Princess" is kinda possible case too?

Did PPF claim BEFORE MMR? Wait i really don't remember.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

But "They saw PPF as Beloved Princess" is kinda possible case too?

This is what I've thought for a while and it's why I thought PPF could still be town. Bella convinced me otherwise and that's what I'm going to go into in the big post I'm writing up.

Did PPF claim BEFORE MMR? Wait i really don't remember.

No, PPF hadn't claimed before MMR's claim. I can't find when PPF actually did claim, but I know it was after MMR.

[Past Present Future]

Dangle can’t possibly be town here and completely ignore both how Prof demonstrated the claim to be bs and then when I point out that his inheriting MMR role means that Lunar must have a factional nk, Dangle said nada.

The obvious implications are of course that Lunar very likely has delayed kills and Dangle’s trying to rush our miselim so that we won’t have time to have a discussion about that.

If Dangle we’re actually town here, they wouldn’t be ignoring either of those things:

A). Prof clearly knowing that Lunar has a factional kill and with their - according to Dangle no less - has a superior mech ability yet voted Dangle not us. How does Dangle not realize that Prof post clears us makes absolutely no sense if they’re town but what’s truly damning as I see it, is that

Prof clealy KNOWS from inheriting MMR role that Lunar in fact has a factional nk ,
which can only mean they’re delayed and can only kill at noon

Something Dangle has 0 interest in even discussing and I want to know why that is and my vote on them isn’t fucking moving until they actually respond to this.

I think their clear refusal to do this is highly scum indicative.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

You do not control what I respond to, Nancy.

[Past Present Future]

Bella wanted to refresh her own grasp of the MMR claim situation, so we took some time to look again properly at it.

VOTE: Past Present Future

We both feel rather confident upon discussing it together that

what MMR had was a 'vanilla' result on PPF from their passive ability

, which would mean that

PPF is lying about their role

.

Case for this coming up. I'd appreciate some eyes on this.

But "They saw PPF as Beloved Princess" is kinda possible case too?

Did PPF claim BEFORE MMR? Wait i really don't remember.

No but I crumbed my role since dawn 1 and subsequently. Most were videos about either my flavour or role,

I think MMR was informed about my role existing and rolefished me. They clearly never checked me but were probably actually telling the truth about the informed part.

Dangle is throwing whatever ever they can at the wall to make this stick but we know Prof was USB and got their role. So why did he vote Dangle and not us? Surely if there’s any truth whatsoever to MMR claim a proficuent mech player like Prof would have been voting us not Dangle. And Dangle said it themselves when they pushed Prof as much. Dangle clearly thinks Prof is good at mech but Prof didn’t vote us, he voted Dangle.

[Past Present Future]

You do not control what I respond to, Nancy.

If you’re actually town here, I want a response to what I said about Prof. You completely ignoring that is antitown to the extreme.

[Past Present Future]

Both Titus and I knew that Math was going to 100% vig us,

and yet

I believe prof being Lunar and being

literally not in the game

during the MMR result and therefore unable to help RH9 with his claim synergises rather well in this situation

In fact this should apply whether you think the result is real or not

Boom!

That first quote wasn’t supposed to be there btw.

[Past Present Future]

I believe prof being Lunar and being

literally not in the game

during the MMR result and therefore unable to help RH9 with his claim synergises rather well in this situation

In fact this should apply whether you think the result is real or not

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help

.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

I was right, Prof did find out through acquiring MMR role that it was bs and even more importantly:


LUNAR Has A FACTIONAL KILLING ABILITY, when based on what we’ve seen so far can only really mke sense with delayed kills.[/b]


w

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

There is absolutely no logical reason for Prof not to be voting us if MMR’s claim was real, NONE!

[Enchant]

I don't get why we push PPF is we need to hunt lunars.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

In reading this, it is very important to make a distinction between MMR's

claim

and MMR's

behaviour

surrounding the claim. The literal claim MMR made in the thread was not completely truthful. The behaviour MMR showed is what is important to analyse.

So, first of all: the idea that MMR 100% made everything up is ridiculous. The evidence very much points to MMR having *some* sort of result on PPF. MMR's actual role gives sufficient information to effectively receive the information that a Loyal Neopolitan would receive. They claimed a result on PPF for a reason. And that reason was *not* to outright claim a guilty on PPF; MMR does not act like what they have is a definitive guilty on PPF at any point, they don't push for PPF's elimination, and they only vote PPF when they can no longer argue against the idea that if they should know that PPF is scum if everything they've said is true. So MMR claimed a result based on *some* information that they had about PPF, and the motive wasn't simply to get PPF eliminated because they weren't actually trying to do that. (I am willing to discuss this part further with anyone not named PPF; it seems obvious to me that MMR did in fact learn *something* about PPF's role N1, and so if anyone disagrees or isn't sure about that, I'd be interested in discussing it further.)

The question then becomes: can we figure out WHAT result MMR got on PPF? To be clear, there are two results MMR could have *actually* received: the Beloved Princess role that PPF has claimed (which would mean PPF is town), or Vanilla (which would mean PPF is Solar).

What we're looking for is the DIFFERENCE between how MMR would be acting if they got these two results. Specifically, if MMR got Beloved Princess, MMR knows PPF is town. But if MMR got Vanilla, they don't know whether PPF is a VT or any brand of Solar scum. So,

what is MMR trying to do in regards to PPF?

I think their behaviour suggests that MMR is trying to sort PPF.

The most compelling evidence to me for this is this post by MMR:

? Can you explain your post to us more?

Assuming that you're talking to us, we're a Loyal Rolestopper.
-Rubella

Why would you protect us over claimed prs?

Mumps and Measles wanted to see your reaction.
We're actually Loyal Neapolitan.
I guess that your reaction means that you're Town.
-Rubella

PPF says, 'Why would you protect us over claimed prs?'
Rubella sees this and incorrectly thinks PPF is implying they do not have a PR. That would mean PPF is Vanilla, and therefore could be town. And that explains why Rubella concludes that PPF is likely Town from this exchange.

It makes quite a lot of sense when you consider that MMR has a Vanilla result on PPF and is trying to figure out whether they're a VT or scum. Doing the reaction test in the first place makes a lot less sense if you assume MMR already knows PPF is town.

I also think, generally, that if MMR has a Beloved Princess result on PPF, there is very little incentive to claim in the thread in the first place. (As I've already established, their goal wasn't simply to get PPF eliminated, they weren't pushing for that and there were plenty of more effective ways to establish a guilty claim on PPF if that was the goal.) Whereas if MMR got a Vanilla result, there is a clear incentive to sort out whether PPF is Town or Solar.

MMR having a Vanilla result explains the claim happening in the first place, and it explains the weird reaction test thing that otherwise has no purpose. I find it very likely that MMR had a Vanilla result. And that makes PPF scum.

[Past Present Future]

I believe prof being Lunar and being

literally not in the game

during the MMR result and therefore unable to help RH9 with his claim synergises rather well in this situation

In fact this should apply whether you think the result is real or not

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help

.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

I was right, Prof did find out through acquiring MMR role that it was bs and even more importantly:


LUNAR Has A FACTIONAL KILLING ABILITY, when based on what we’ve seen so far can only really mke sense with delayed kills.[/b]


w

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

There is absolutely no logical reason for Prof not to be voting us if MMR’s claim was real, NONE!

What doesn’t make any sense is you ignoring this.