Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[T-Bone]

Nancy, did Prof ever claim what that ability was?

[Firebringer]

No, not really. Think it was rolefishing

[T-Bone]

Just theory.

Assuming you are PPF-Scum. Someone claims Loyan Neapolitan result on you.

... Do you try to fakeclaim something in response?

I think honestly...I would try to fakeclaim something to explain the result away, rather than accusing them of lying, because the most likely outcome from doing that is a 1v1. It's kinda weird we haven't flipped PPF, but this game has just been weird overall.

[Enchant]

I would't. Because it's Loyal Neapolitan. So assuming i am Evil, it can't get result from me regardless if i am PR or not. So i NEED to accuse them of lying.

Nancy is not really mech sawwy though. I think "Priestess" comed after PPF got pressured for flavor name.


Still regardless of how i am hostile to PPF, i think Lunar is priority.

[Enchant]

On other hand, accusation on PPF then seems random.

[Enchant]

It means i have no idea.

[Past Present Future]

I am a town beloved princess and that will be proven after I flip, so no not fake anything.

I’m focused on finding both. @Fire I think you’re either town or Solar because interactions with FA and STD and MMR pretty much like 99.9999% spew you not lunar.

@T-Bone all I recall Prof saying was that he inherited MMR role but couldn’t use it due to lunars having a factional kill and Dangle’s driving me to drink by refusing to engage in that.

If Lunars have a factional kill why nothing happening at night unless they’re delayed? And unlike lying scum!MMR who wanted to have Mastina vigged over us, we actually know that TOWN!Prof has no reason to lie about the information they received after getting their role.

Dangle has said which I quoted that they consider Prof good at mech and he has MMR role, so if MMR claim wasn’t complete horseshit why were they voting Dangle and not us?

Prof by sheer virtue of having inherited MMR role would know more than anyone if it was legit, so to serve think their claim was anything other than bs, you’d seriously have to think Prof was gamethrowing by not voting us.

[Past Present Future]

I would't. Because it's Loyal Neapolitan. So assuming i am Evil, it can't get result from me regardless if i am PR or not. So i NEED to accuse them of lying.

Nancy is not really mech sawwy though. I think "Priestess" comed after PPF got pressured for flavor name.


Still regardless of how i am hostile to PPF, i think Lunar is priority.

No not true, I had previously crumbed it, remember?

[Enchant]

I would't. Because it's Loyal Neapolitan. So assuming i am Evil, it can't get result from me regardless if i am PR or not. So i NEED to accuse them of lying.

Nancy is not really mech sawwy though. I think "Priestess" comed after PPF got pressured for flavor name.


Still regardless of how i am hostile to PPF, i think Lunar is priority.

No not true, I had previously crumbed it, remember?

I don't remember anything lol

Not irony

[MegAzumarill]

VC 8.0.4

Firebringer (2) Cat Scratch Fever, Firebringer [E-2]

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Past Present Future
Past Present Future (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,

Not Voting (3) Magician, T-Bone, Enchant

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate
Deadline (expired on 2023-01-11 13:19:33)

[Past Present Future]

I would't. Because it's Loyal Neapolitan. So assuming i am Evil, it can't get result from me regardless if i am PR or not. So i NEED to accuse them of lying.

Nancy is not really mech sawwy though. I think "Priestess" comed after PPF got pressured for flavor name.


Still regardless of how i am hostile to PPF, i think Lunar is priority.

No not true, I had previously crumbed it, remember?

I don't remember anything lol

Not irony

It was either this video or one similar. I know it’s there because I made a detailed list of my crumbs but with 1000+ posts, it’s extremely difficult to find anything but it’s 100% there,

[Past Present Future]

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

You can seriously stop rolefishing. We’ll claim when and if when we feel like it and not a moment sooner.

See I pretty much crumbed the flavour here but I couldn’t find any youtube videos with priestess so I thought angel fit really well.

Whew, finally found it, so I was close.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Okay question for everyone but PPF.

Did MMR have a real result? Gut reaction yes or no?

no

I don't know what happened with MMR, but I don't think PPF is scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I apologize for my outburst. I understand that people need to look at every player who’s left but it’s just really pisses me off that lying scum’s bs botched fake claim continues to be brought up when I strongly suspect that not everyone pushing it is town here.

If anyone has actual issues with my play, I’ll be more than happy to respond to and allay any concerns about me being scum here. I’m not.

And I really do suspect Dangle because

Prof who got MMR role voted for them and they’re the ones who keep pushing MMR lies as valid

and I just really want to scream.

Professotic doesn't have any more info about MMR or DDS than we do. Professotic inherited MMR's role because they were a backup-like role, but MMR's role is public info.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If we die tonight, phase switches to dusk which is what scum needs to mislim the rest of the town and win this.

Why's that?

Oh yeah I totally forgot about this information I received like after MMR’s death, maybe it can help.

Apparently me and TicTac received the ability MMR had

but we can’t use that ability cause we are Town and as such don’t have a factional kill.

Prof apparently knows that Lunar must have factional kills, yet so far we haven’t seen any except during the noon phase, so that has to mean that Lunar has delayed kills.

If they do not, then how does what Prof said make an iota of sense otherwise?

I wouldn't read too much into the "factional kills" wording. He probably meant factional ability. Professotic makes posts without editing them and constantly makes careless errors.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Yes, that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The most compelling evidence to me for this is this post by MMR:

? Can you explain your post to us more?

Assuming that you're talking to us, we're a Loyal Rolestopper.
-Rubella

Why would you protect us over claimed prs?

Mumps and Measles wanted to see your reaction.
We're actually Loyal Neapolitan.
I guess that your reaction means that you're Town.
-Rubella

PPF says, 'Why would you protect us over claimed prs?'
Rubella sees this and incorrectly thinks PPF is implying they do not have a PR. That would mean PPF is Vanilla, and therefore could be town. And that explains why Rubella concludes that PPF is likely Town from this exchange.

It makes quite a lot of sense when you consider that MMR has a Vanilla result on PPF and is trying to figure out whether they're a VT or scum. Doing the reaction test in the first place makes a lot less sense if you assume MMR already knows PPF is town.

Does it make sense for scum to out their role and info just to test whether Nancy is Solar or VT? That trade doesn't seem worth it. 3121 isn't even a VT claim from PPF. Shouldn't they have pushed PPF to fullclaim?

I think one possible explanation is that MMR saw a Town Beloved Princess, one head says they can fake a guilty on PPF later when Lunar is closing in on a victory, and another head misreads what their partner said and decides to out it now.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why can't we just lim Firebringer?

From FB's perspective, he townreads Enchant enough to sheep him. By PoE, shouldn't he have locked onto PPF as Solar like 10 pages ago? He's not solving

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Noon is up next, which means Solar have their kill. In the scenario where Lunar are Arsonists and are also able to prime on Noon, PPF is primed (because due to how MMR's role works, Lunar would have targeted PPF with a factional action, AKA dousing). I value removing the Solar kill higher considering that.

A bit of a tangent, but do you have theories on who else may have been doused on the other nights?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Who was the watch on last night? Sorry if you already claimed it

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why can't we just lim Firebringer?

From FB's perspective, he townreads Enchant enough to sheep him. By PoE, shouldn't he have locked onto PPF as Solar like 10 pages ago? He's not solving

Also FB thought DDS was Solar

Then, PPF tells him DDS mod confirmed can't be Solar

Then right after, he says DDS should be flipped tomorrow anyway

Spoiler:

if i cared enough about this game i might actually try to figure out if anyone in this back in forth discussion on me is scum trying to push me for lim. But i really don't.

Im good with going, i am not going to obvtown and this is just going to continue on and on and like im not going to suddenly become obvtown to people in this game.

as much as everyone says otherwise not possible, my gut and mind go to Dingle is solar.
As far as lunar, idk my worry i guess is T-bone but that is just paranoia speaking.

PPF is the most neutral of players to me in that i kind of just been assuming town so i don't have to think about it.
Enchant is town for last 2 days also i doubt would be recruited.
CSF is town, i kind of linked her alignment to Meuh so like pretty conf there. Like don't see why meuh isn't scum if CSF was. Doesn't make sense to me.
Magician was junko who was strong town. Only possibility of scum is conversion in like last day or two. I put it at as low of odds as CSF.

if i cared enough about this game i might actually try to figure out if anyone in this back in forth discussion on me is scum trying to push me for lim. But i really don't.

Im good with going, i am not going to obvtown and this is just going to continue on and on and like im not going to suddenly become obvtown to people in this game.

as much as everyone says otherwise not possible, my gut and mind go to Dingle is solar.
As far as lunar, idk my worry i guess is T-bone but that is just paranoia speaking.

PPF is the most neutral of players to me in that i kind of just been assuming town so i don't have to think about it.
Enchant is town for last 2 days also i doubt would be recruited.
CSF is town, i kind of linked her alignment to Meuh so like pretty conf there. Like don't see why meuh isn't scum if CSF was. Doesn't make sense to me.
Magician was junko who was strong town. Only possibility of scum is conversion in like last day or two. I put it at as low of odds as CSF.

Dangle can’t be Solar, they’re mod confirmed not to be.

VOTE: Firebringer
Just flip dangle tomorrow

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

A radnom collection of thoughts:

I think PPF is wrong in their assumption that prof had any more info than what was publicly available in the thread: we can't assume anything about factional kills. We can't even assume the scum teams are balanced.

I don't think we can read anything ia into std and fa. I don't think it was fake, but I don't think it means anything partner wise

I can't see mmr's logic for claiming anything, is the issue: if they weren't pushing ppf, why out any result in that moment? They were more scum read I think, so it's a weird 1 v1 to start? My thinking earlier was that the result was 'vanilla' but that meant they didn't know whether VT or scum and dksnr want to be seen to b leading an elim on scum

@all, why does mmr say /anything/ at the point they did? Why not claim literally your real role but hide it as attunement related? My concern is either they were trying to achieve a spefici result, or....?????

FB should have a lot more reads than he does

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Does it make sense for scum to out their role and info just to test whether Nancy is Solar or VT? That trade doesn't seem worth it. 3121 isn't even a VT claim from PPF. Shouldn't they have pushed PPF to fullclaim?

UNVOTE:

I think this is a fair point. It doesn't satisfy my questions about why the claim happened at all (I'm not thrilled with your explanation after this), but I think there's a fair amount of wanting there to be a clear answer where there isn't one going on in my head about it.

I do agree with you in fully expecting Firebringer to flip scum of some variety. And if I remove all context, I do think Firebringer is more likely to be a Solar flip than a Lunar flip.

I'm just confused about who fits as Lunar and also feels like *scum*.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

And none of this has really changed the fact that I agree that PPF very much looks like town to me

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah I'm far from sold on my own theory as to why MMR did what they did. I've basically just handwaved the claim away as something I won't be able to explain until postgame.